Ah, I see. Thanks.
Been a long time since I saw that film, don't really remember much of it.
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Star Wars Rebels Season 3 |OT| Dark Forces Rising
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Ah, I see. Thanks.
Been a long time since I saw that film, don't really remember much of it.
Bobby Roberts
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That's the one
Me too.
That's what i meant in my last post.
Kyuzo is my favourite character in Seven Samurai.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Ezra Bridger, Luke Skywalker, and Leia Organa are all roughly the same age.
BrokenFiction
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I kind of guessed through chatting with Yoda and Qui-Gon.
Bobby Roberts
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Yoda probably told him or some shit
Or he just... sensed him? I dunno.
Or he just... sensed him? I dunno.
Twilight Gap
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If this show gave me anymore blue balls, Tatooine would have four suns.
Infinitemadness
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Thank god he said something. He looked like a kid. Was wondering if it was a poorly placed flashback.
By which we mean the same age, the Skywalker twins being 3-4 days younger.
(The protagonists of Lost Stars are also the same age btw.)
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think it's just the framing, maybe? I have a decent size TV and I could barely see him at all.
Twilight Gap
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I'm just waiting for them to kill off one of the main cast. Ezra's the most annoying so it ought to be him, but I don't expect that to happen to a main character on Disney XD.
At least Chopper is cool.
Duane Cunningham
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Also, Chopper had several hours with Obi Wan while Ezra was passed out.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Were probably not trying to show him at all - easier to model a tiny silhouette than get close enough to recognize a Rebels-fied version of Hamill.
Episode's aired so black bars are done with, I guess?
Episode's aired so black bars are done with, I guess?
BrokenFiction
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I read somewhere, but can't find it now, that they used an old model of Ezra with hair for Luke. Maybe it was on starwars.com.
Bobby Roberts
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It's been confirmed they straight up repurposed Shelagh Fraser's dialog from Star Wars, right?
Exact same take used from the scene where she asks Luke to get a droid that speaks Bocce, I believe.
Exact same take used from the scene where she asks Luke to get a droid that speaks Bocce, I believe.
Yeah I am pretty sure that was taken straight from the archives.
Overall I liked the episode. Maul at this state was more or less just living on his Hatred for Kenobi. Revenge on Palpatine and Kenobi was all he wanted so he found some solace in the fact the actual Chosen One was found to avenge all those destroyed by the Sith.
jstevenson
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I personally thought that's how it had to go down. Obi-Wan in Episode IV fights Vader all slow and broadsword like. We're obviously very near that time.
So any epic / jumping duel would feel out of place. Plus a flat desert doesn't really allow for a ton of interesting environmental use.
He's a complete master of the force and lightsaber now at this point. He can out maneuver and strategize any other duelist besides Vader and The Emperor.
I thought it was terrific, the last 10 minutes of that episode were awesome.
Thrawn had better survive next week.
So any epic / jumping duel would feel out of place. Plus a flat desert doesn't really allow for a ton of interesting environmental use.
He's a complete master of the force and lightsaber now at this point. He can out maneuver and strategize any other duelist besides Vader and The Emperor.
I thought it was terrific, the last 10 minutes of that episode were awesome.
Thrawn had better survive next week.
Holy hell what are some of you even talking about? That was the most badass shit I've ever seen. Perfectly communicated what this era's Obi Wan is all about - True strength is strength under control.
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Maul was quickly dispatched because he lacks a calm and control to his strength. Despite his age, he is still ruled by his hatred and anger. You can see it in the way he lashes out with broad slashes. Hell, he even tries the same attack he used on Qi Gon. He hasn't grown at all. He's still a child. Kenobi's age has not only made him wiser, but more a peace with himself and his capabilities. Don't forget he also fought through the rest of the Clone Wars and defeated Vader. But event with all that, he isn't even concerned with winning, getting revenge, or staying alive. He is concerned with protecting Luke and that alone causes him to draw his weapon. I may have even preferred one swift slash from Kenobi to finish things. Would have been perfect.
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I also think it shows just how far Obi Wan has come compared to Maul. Despite the fact that he's been living in isolation, he's moved on. Maul is a relic of an era long passed. He's been made obsolete by the power and the confidence Obi Wan has found in the Force.
Lifejumper
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According to the episode guide they actually used Ezras season 3 model for Luke.
Liamario
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You really need to accept that Lucas was making stuff up as he went. Don't put too much weight on concepts that came from the prequels. A lot of that stuff directly contradicts the original movies.
As someone that stopped watching this show because of Chopper, your post made me declare this episode non-canon
Yup. Even with how light the original movies were and how much the characters were archetypes, actually outright using the term 'Chosen One' was incredibly lame.
That said, I always thought it was obvious that the intention in the PT was that the people thinking Anakin was the Chosen One were wrong, and that Luke was going to be that person. The audience knew that, but the characters within those movies didn't until it was too late. But yeah, lame storyline and not worth thinking about too much.
The switch to Luke as the chosen one seems kind of...sudden and out of the blue for Obi-Wan yeah?
I mean I get soon as Lucas sold off the company the concept of Star Wars being a 6 part film in which Anakin/Vader was the hero and saved the day and everyone lived happily ever after really couldn't work anymore.
But is Obi-Wan just going to switch to declaring whatever random next hope he has as the chosen one? lol. Luke didn't fix everything as TFA shows. So is now Rey the chosen one? The whole "chosen one" concept has gotten so messy and muddled after extending Star Wars beyond ROTJ.
Well what messes with this is that Anakin was a "virgin" birth, conceived of the god damned Force literally. He wasn't just some random kid. He is space Jesus.
Lucas beats the viewer over the head over and over with Anakin = Force Messiah
I mean I get soon as Lucas sold off the company the concept of Star Wars being a 6 part film in which Anakin/Vader was the hero and saved the day and everyone lived happily ever after really couldn't work anymore.
But is Obi-Wan just going to switch to declaring whatever random next hope he has as the chosen one? lol. Luke didn't fix everything as TFA shows. So is now Rey the chosen one? The whole "chosen one" concept has gotten so messy and muddled after extending Star Wars beyond ROTJ.
Well what messes with this is that Anakin was a "virgin" birth, conceived of the god damned Force literally. He wasn't just some random kid. He is space Jesus.
Lucas beats the viewer over the head over and over with Anakin = Force Messiah
Obi-Wan realized at the end of Revenge of the Sith that Anakin wasn't the Chosen One after all (that whole speech on the volcano planet and all that - "you were supposed to be the chosen one!", and the fact that Anakin didn't exactly bring balance to the force). The audience was supposed to know that the prophecy referred to Luke instead of Anakin, so it's no surprise Obi figured it out. He had a lot of time to connect with the force out in the desert, and the entire reason they thought Anakin was the Chosen One was because of his midichlorian count (ugh), so it makes sense that he starts looking at Anakin's son instead.
The fact that nobody ever even considered Leia can be put down to Obi-Wan being a bit of a sexist old jerk, I suppose.
Edit: You added this as I was posting but I'll respond to it too:
Well, yeah, but again, everyone in the audience (that was familiar with the OT at least) knew that Anakin wouldn't turn out to be the real chosen one (there are a lot of characters constantly doubting it, and we know how both he and his son turn out in the OT). Anakin being space Jesus (also ugh) was a red herring that Qui Gon fell for - it was always supposed to be Luke. The fact that Anakin's story ended up the way it did (and that we knew that even before going in to see episode 1) means that he was never the chosen one.
But hey man, I'm not trying to go to deep into this stuff because that entire PT story is messy, weird, and kinda stupid. All I'm trying to explain is that I always read that entire prophecy/chosen one storyline (which should never have been a part of the movies anyway) as referring to Luke, not Anakin, and I didn't read Obi's statement in this episode as a new revelation at all. It's how I've always seen it, and many people with me I think.
At the same time, the PT story is dumb enough for anyone to interpret it however they want. I don't really have a horse in this race. You could, of course, also argue that Anakin did end up being the chosen one because he ended up throwing Palpatine down a hole, but he did that because of Luke, and, oh, well fuck it.
That or Lucas didn't put that much thought into it, though i guess Leia could have been the back up.
Also is funny you say when half the Jedi are female
Yup.
graffix13
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Good point.
Whether you like the PT or not it's canon and The Chosen One concept is a real plot point.
I do wonder if this is a small hint that the concept will be expanded on in The Last Jedi? For Maul to ask this (let alone even know of the prophecy) seemed...Kind out of left field?
So maybe Luke tells Rey he is/was The Chosen One, he brought balance as The Last Jedi and now it's time for Rey to start something new.
This, there is an episode of Clone Wars where Anakin
controls the physical versions of the light and darkside. That's something only the chosen one can do. That series of episodes even showed Anakin that he would have to turn to the darkside in order to do it and then his memory was erased.
PHOENIXZERO
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I laughed out loud at that quick resolution but it made sense but that didn't deserve the hype and I also wish they'd just let Vader crash Maul.
Anakin is still the "Chosen One", what Obi-Wan may think doesn't change that but Luke was the catalyst.
Anakin is still the "Chosen One", what Obi-Wan may think doesn't change that but Luke was the catalyst.
Bobby Roberts
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Dunno why they'd even stick that shit in there, honestly. I mean, I do: It's all about "echoing" the end of The Phantom Menace as thoroughly as possible. But I don't think it actually added anything tonally or thematically.
It's some "Ring Theory" shit, basically.
It's some "Ring Theory" shit, basically.
KoruptData
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I don't know what it was, that last scene, with Obiwan and seeing Luke on the farm, made me misty eyed. I just love how connected everything is becoming.
I was already expecting some sort of scene with Obi-wan watching Luke from afar, either at his homestead or racing through Beggar's Canyon in his skyhopper.
Septimus Prime
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It's the song. Even RotS made its ending super emotional for me because of it.
Twilight Gap
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Star Wars is stupid, news at 11.
Also mentioned several pages ago that the midi chlorians were conceived in the 70s. As far as we know, the chosen one plot existed back then as well.
Also mentioned several pages ago that the midi chlorians were conceived in the 70s. As far as we know, the chosen one plot existed back then as well.
Lifejumper
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You can blame the hype on the marketing promoting it as such that people expected an epic battle.
Bobby Roberts
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Basically, you take the ending of Phantom Menace, repurpose with a different person dying in Ben's arms, and use the Binary Sunset to close it out, and you get yourself an ending that will sock Star Wars fans in the gut without really doing much on your own to earn those emotions that are almost pavlovian at this point.
You know who's getting short shrift in this episode's reactions? Our favorite dune sea rednecks, the Tusken Raiders. That was one of the more effective moments in the show, honestly. Made Tatooine feel alive/real again. And dangerous. Ezra got caught slipping and almost ate it. No sith, no stormtroopers. Just a bunch of yahoos with shotguns hork hork horking on a bluff about a half-mile.
You know who's getting short shrift in this episode's reactions? Our favorite dune sea rednecks, the Tusken Raiders. That was one of the more effective moments in the show, honestly. Made Tatooine feel alive/real again. And dangerous. Ezra got caught slipping and almost ate it. No sith, no stormtroopers. Just a bunch of yahoos with shotguns hork hork horking on a bluff about a half-mile.
Dominican Power
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Kenobi didn't defeat Vader, he defeated a young Anakin Skywalker who just made the switch to the dark side.
Liamario
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Well that's not entirely fair. It's a retcon and to suggest that we have to accept it isn't entirely fair. The PT and the OT are as comparable as john wick is to the matrix.
I don't fully accept the PT as being connected to the OT, any more than I accept the Expanded universe.
Dude's name was Vader. Sorry man. I wish we got to pick and choose too.
CreepingFear
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I think the chosen one can be someone different at different times. Anakin in Prequels, Luke in OT, and Rey in ST.
Dominican Power
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But he wasn't the Vader that was feared through out the galaxy.
You guys really need to stop reminding me of that random scene where Palpatine had his big moment and named Anakin Vader in that office with the nice city view. No matter how much I keep drinking, that one scene just won't leave.
Cross-Section
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It's terrible, but my nitpicking sense started tingling heavily when I noticed that their slugthrower rifles were shooting lasers (while still making bullet-shooting sounds to boot). Either DisneyXD censors got involved, or somebody realized that peashooters blowing up a flipping A-Wing was a tad ridiculous.
I checked the scene in Phantom Menace when they were shooting the podracers and there were definitely lasers coming out of those rifles.
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