Sooooo.... No new raids/pvp maps until next year then? If sooooooooo...
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Sooooo.... No new raids/pvp maps until next year then? If sooooooooo...
HarryDemeanor
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I hope not but it certainly sounds that way. That's not good. Not good at all.
Makes sense if they are indeed being honest about the scale of it all. Its only going to launch with like 60% of the story. Then "fast" release of updates. It could all blow up on them if their largest expansion ever turns out to be hyperbole and its another tiny pack.
The Press release that was put out makes it seem like SWTOR is about to get its own Cataclysm Expansion pack as a comparison. Revamping 1-60 and using this new razor focus for all the new stuff.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
It seems that everything pre-lvl 60 (including RotHC and Shadow of Revan) will be base free 2 play.
Non-subscribers can't buy FoTE, but will get it if they subscribe to it after it has come out. I wonder then, if the Fleets will remain segregated. And if the PvP will remain the same with Empire vs Republic.
Will there be engine upgrades I wonder?
BattleMonkey
Member
New content doesn't seem like it, they are apparently scaling up and fixing up the old content to be higher level instead now.
Kadin
Member
Where did they say that F2P can't buy the expansion? I only saw them say it'll be free for subs.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
Ahh good point. Hadn't thought about that!
HarryDemeanor
Member
Seems like the perfect opportunity to make HK-55 a healer.
"I'm here to save you, meatbag."
Vigilant Walrus
Member
it makes my head spin because many of the companions are completely different depending if they are evil or good.
Take the Sith Warrior love interest Jasea Williams. She won't put out unless you are crazy evil. I wanted to romance her as lightside, but then she goes all nun-like. BUHHHHHHH
So if I can recruit her on my evil consular is it then sexy times? My trando says "XTYXTTTYZXXTY XTYTZTXT!!"
HarryDemeanor
Member
Jaesa is a curious case. It'll be interesting to see how they handle her
unless they kill her off.
Maybe they'll do the original idea they had for companions - you could switch your companions into specialized roles so you could take one with you all the time.
BattleMonkey
Member
For logic reasons that would be neat, but I feel they will kinda do like WoW expansions or such where the game kinda pushed the players to new hubs that were more up to date on the current story.
With how tied in the fleet is to some of the story stuff, I think it will be hard for them to just get rid of them.... perhaps they can keep the fleets and just update them for the new setting?
As much as I love this game, I think it's a tacit admission that they would have been better off spending the effort making a series of single-player RPGs and not an MMO.
Basically, I think they're going to do what they can to turn the ship and make this as closely resemble one of the single-player Bioware RPGs as possible.
Yeah, I guess even that I'd be happy with. I just want a change really. The fleets are old.
I think you're getting ahead of yourself - they're likely positioning themselves to try to get the fanbase that likes story in there, and then add more on top later.
That new story focus sounds like an amazing idea. I know that I personally played SWTOR for the class stories, and when it was apparent that they would not further develop the class stories after 50; I was pretty damn disappointed and my excitement kind of fizzled.
I'd totally come back for new chapters of what sounds like the ultimate single player KOTOR RPG (with the added benefit of multiplayer raids/pvp
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I'd totally come back for new chapters of what sounds like the ultimate single player KOTOR RPG (with the added benefit of multiplayer raids/pvp
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Vigilant Walrus
Member
Here is the thing. You can make a singular path towards for all 8 class stories. The key (I think) is just to make it so that the path you take (and the responses and reactions you get) is conducive to your character, and his character.
Every character is different in evil, neutral and good ways. By being the Outlander, they can have the new NPCs ignore some of the players past accomplishments and focus on the present.
Basically, doing the same quest as a Sith Warrior will yield a different resolution and path than doing it as a Jedi Knight. Those two characters will handle a situation differently, even if they are both good, both bad or both neutral. This effectively can make it interesting to go through the new chapter on several characters.
It's one of the things general side missions in the game lack. The NPCs in the side quests don't respond much differently to a Trooper than to a Smuggler.
I feel using a lot of time on side quests, and voicing those are not very fun or engaging. The personal story of the player is the major draw, and I think the 12xp and its popularity shows how little players care about the side quests. It would be much preferable to have longer and more personal story followed by more combat, longer missions, than less personal character split with side quests to fill out the game.
There are steps that they can do to walk a balance between a deep personal story, and a MMO. One thing they could do, is to introduce new tech with day/night cycles and dynamic weather. Better fauna, wildlife and organic NPCs. Those things would be really nice.
And like someone else said, making a new hub for lvl 65 players (and onwards) would be interesting.
Every character is different in evil, neutral and good ways. By being the Outlander, they can have the new NPCs ignore some of the players past accomplishments and focus on the present.
Basically, doing the same quest as a Sith Warrior will yield a different resolution and path than doing it as a Jedi Knight. Those two characters will handle a situation differently, even if they are both good, both bad or both neutral. This effectively can make it interesting to go through the new chapter on several characters.
It's one of the things general side missions in the game lack. The NPCs in the side quests don't respond much differently to a Trooper than to a Smuggler.
I feel using a lot of time on side quests, and voicing those are not very fun or engaging. The personal story of the player is the major draw, and I think the 12xp and its popularity shows how little players care about the side quests. It would be much preferable to have longer and more personal story followed by more combat, longer missions, than less personal character split with side quests to fill out the game.
There are steps that they can do to walk a balance between a deep personal story, and a MMO. One thing they could do, is to introduce new tech with day/night cycles and dynamic weather. Better fauna, wildlife and organic NPCs. Those things would be really nice.
And like someone else said, making a new hub for lvl 65 players (and onwards) would be interesting.
BattleMonkey
Member
It will likely be no different from all the side quest and generic content already in game, which occasionally had a few bits of unique dialogueto tie into your personal story. But like all that content, they will try to avoid going deep into your actions or past.
I doubt they will go deep into your characters past accomplishments at all. Most people you will meet in this story won't give a damn who you were because most of your accomplishments simply don't matter in the world anymore. At most, there might be different tidbits when companions are first re-introduced.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
I hope for the best regarding the story. It would be really nice if the experience wont feel completely the same on all your characters even if the story of the outlander is the same.
Bruce Maclean gets nervous, spoils the opening plot of RotFE, and Jeff Hickman is trying so hard not to tell him to shut the fuck up.
It's here if you want to be spoiled
It's here if you want to be spoiled
BattleMonkey
Member
So what do they plan to do till the release of this expansion? We haven't heard of anything new so far, so what are we getting from Bioware till Oct? Nothing? Apparently no PVP or Star figther content, so just more monthly cartel shop stuff till expansion?
Edvardelis
Member
That's canon. Jedi aren't supposed to have attachments. Sex, sure, but love... nope.
Even for the Jedi Knight relationships earn dark-side points.
There's the PVP gear system rework and Yavin stronghold coming in 3.3. I think there's also meant to be more story stuff with Ziost consequences at some point? Not sure.
HarryDemeanor
Member
All we've got on deck so far is 3.3 with the Yavin IV Stronghold and Togruta (hopefully) next month.
That's it.
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Looks like we're getting something on Operations within a month:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=8255305#edit8255305
I do hope they aren't transitioning Operations into something else.
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One free Level 60 per account. Can purchase more in the Cartel Market.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=818168
Nero's Neptune
Member
Kinda glad about the level 60 thing. Before it kinda seemed like you'd just select the supposed new faction when making a character, and it'd be level 60. Basically giving you no need to ever have a sub-60 character.
The flip side, I'm sad that there won't ACTUALLY be a third, joined faction. (As said in another post by Eric)
The flip side, I'm sad that there won't ACTUALLY be a third, joined faction. (As said in another post by Eric)
TomcatTheLion
Member
OK that was awesome.
Pretty excited to see the game is getting this much attention. Haven't played in a long while (mostly occupied with FFXIV and soon Heavensward) but I will definitely be there for when this releases.
Also 10 years of being frozen is a lot longer than I expected. It should make for some interesting conversations with companions and other NPCs (assuming they aren't dead).
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
I don't know about fundamentally but in the press release it says this:
No idea what that means though.
BattleMonkey
Member
I imagine just tweaks to play faster through the story.
Easiest way to do that is to permanently crank the amount of XP class missions give. Basically, make something like 12x XP the default for everybody and not an "event".
I can also see them making all the earlier Flashpoints solo-able, especially the story heavy ones (Esseless, Black Talon, etc.)
Nero's Neptune
Member
Finally got enough cartel coins to transfer a character. Is the guild any busier now? Haven't been over there in a while, and I'd really only like to pull a character off server if there's any operations to be done.
EDIT: Ended up moving a character to Shadowlands.
EDIT: Ended up moving a character to Shadowlands.
BattleMonkey
Member
Oh? They said this?
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Combined with the 1 free transfer you can get from those referral codes (is that still a thing?) that is a pretty reasonable offering.
Ouch, that timing. Maybe try hitting up customer service? I know other F2P-style games tend to have like 1 week price protection on sales and other price drops.
I think you'll still have access to however much of the expansion had already dropped.
http://www.swtor.com/support/helpcenter/7418
http://www.swtor.com/support/helpcenter/7418
Nero's Neptune
Member
lol, I put in a ticket as soon as I found out.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Well this is disappointing:
My gf was actually thinking about coming back to play through the expansion with me, she hasn't played since reaching 50 about 3 months after launch. Would have been nice duoing with her again.
My gf was actually thinking about coming back to play through the expansion with me, she hasn't played since reaching 50 about 3 months after launch. Would have been nice duoing with her again.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Considering everything they've talked about regarding this story, I am not surprised.
That's game breaking for me. :
Nero's Neptune
Member
Looks like Bioware won't refund me the difference on the character transfer. Well, fuck you too, Bioware.
That's really damning.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
I suppose it's no different that current class quests, you can't have two people of the same class doing the same quest. If you wanted to duo you had to be different classes and during one person's class quests the other person was only a spectator.
Also if they are really trying to do more significant consequences of dialogue choices you don't want another person picking for you.
I'll wait for more details before I get too bummed about it.
Also if they are really trying to do more significant consequences of dialogue choices you don't want another person picking for you.
I'll wait for more details before I get too bummed about it.