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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]
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SloppehSlawlz
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I literally lol'd at the equipment slot comparison. What a fucking joke.
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bjaelke said:
None of those videos are working for me but I watched the entire Justin.tv Part 2 JK video. Loving everything about the game so far.
The game environments actually look like they can have some beauty to them, but the 'beta' standard of optimization and graphics glitches definitely seem to hold them down for the moment (The resolution is another thing... the video has sub par resolution so we really can't see a lot of finer details in the surrounding). The opening area looks like it would actually be pretty nice looking with better frame rate and less graphical pop in. I am optimistic at least especially since we don't have a firm date for release yet.
As for the UI... yes it is 'standard' and in some ways its disappointing but it also means its functional and they can work on other ways to make the game more its own image. Cinematic voice work.. even for the grunt/grind quests, definitely helps make the world come alive, but I imagine second time playing on other classes it will drop the pace too much. Guess we will see on that regard.
The one thing I am thoroughly disappointed about is how the characters in this game look. I know its an exaggerated art style to make it work on lower end comps, but none of the characters in game make me want to 'be' them while playing yet. I had this same problem in WoW character creator and its something I really hope gets more attention before release but I have a feeling it probably won't
. Definitely some rough edges (judging by that video) for beta at the moment but the foundation looks solid at least. I'll stay cautiously optimistic
As for the UI... yes it is 'standard' and in some ways its disappointing but it also means its functional and they can work on other ways to make the game more its own image. Cinematic voice work.. even for the grunt/grind quests, definitely helps make the world come alive, but I imagine second time playing on other classes it will drop the pace too much. Guess we will see on that regard.
The one thing I am thoroughly disappointed about is how the characters in this game look. I know its an exaggerated art style to make it work on lower end comps, but none of the characters in game make me want to 'be' them while playing yet. I had this same problem in WoW character creator and its something I really hope gets more attention before release but I have a feeling it probably won't
. Definitely some rough edges (judging by that video) for beta at the moment but the foundation looks solid at least. I'll stay cautiously optimistic Hahaha.bjaelke said:
Like others have said, it is an old video.bjb said:
What bugs me isn't the UI or anything like that, it's just that it looks like it plays no different from your standard action-bar MMO. Global cooldowns, standing in one place, doing next to nothing while fighting monsters.
I love Star Wars and the universe and the lore and the voice acting/dialogue wheel is great, but if the game is going to put me to sleep while I'm playing then what's the point?
It's just a big downer for me. I'll still be giving the game a shot but I don't exactly have high hopes.
It takes a strange person to be unable to recognize that Bioware is attempting to make their game WoW 2.0.
That has never been in question; EA/Bioware is going for what works, they definitely want to tap into the core base of WoW players, and they're doing that by playing it safe and making the underlying mechanics of SWTOR recognizable to all. They're not going to take vast risks on this massive project. Everything down to the language they use -- both in game and without -- is standard MMO fare.
People who don't think SWTOR is what others call a "WoW clone" are deluding themselves.
At the end of the day, it's whether or not that's a bad thing which is in question.
edit: The main thing to its credit is that SWTOR looks to try to bridge the narrative gap between single-player and massively multiplayer experiences. Bioware should have always kept that as the crux of SWTOR, but I don't think that resonates well with anyone who isn't already jaded with the MMO genre.
That has never been in question; EA/Bioware is going for what works, they definitely want to tap into the core base of WoW players, and they're doing that by playing it safe and making the underlying mechanics of SWTOR recognizable to all. They're not going to take vast risks on this massive project. Everything down to the language they use -- both in game and without -- is standard MMO fare.
People who don't think SWTOR is what others call a "WoW clone" are deluding themselves.
At the end of the day, it's whether or not that's a bad thing which is in question.
edit: The main thing to its credit is that SWTOR looks to try to bridge the narrative gap between single-player and massively multiplayer experiences. Bioware should have always kept that as the crux of SWTOR, but I don't think that resonates well with anyone who isn't already jaded with the MMO genre.
antonz said:
Honestly I don't see how anyone could compare this game to SWG, this game has almost zero sandbox elements.
This game is a wow clone, always has been, always will be. The introduction of the bioware dialog system is a novel idea, but in the end this game will still play like a everquest 2.5.
It's a matter of defintion I'd say. I played the shit out of WoW when it came out and I can definitely see the similarities in the newly leaked game play and what I've seen before. However, it seems BioWare is bringing enough new content, ideas, innovation and what have you, to create a new and original IP. Space combat, companions, WAR PvP and story questing are just some of the elements that separates it from WoW. With some hands-on time, I could probably point out more differencesQwomo said:
Qwomo said:
Obviously it's like WoW. It's a fucking MMO. WoW was like Everquest. It's like saying Battlefield 3 is a carbon copy of Modern Warfare. They made things like the UI and colour coding items similar to WoW because it's what 13 million MMO players know already. Kind of like how tons of games used CoD's control style.
A WoW clone is normally where a company makes a cheaper game aimed at trying to compete with WoW. This game has tons of shit that WoW doesn't have. If they want to make it WoW 2.0, then it's not a WoW clone because it's going beyond what WoW has.
The problem is WoW clone isn't like "Diablo clone". Diablo clone means a dungeon style hack n slash like Torchlight. It is seen as the genre, not a negative but WoW clone is ONLY seen as a negative because people use it meaning a cheap and uninspired attempt at getting some cash from WoW.
Izayoi said:
Most MMO's are garbage. Who is breaking the mold?
That is simply not true.Blackface said:
Unless you're on a 56k connection or something.
Using TERA as an example, where the servers are based in Korea I can play just fine, even with a ping of close to 500. It's up to the developers to make a combat system and netcode that works.
If you're thinking about Vindictus, it used a P2P server model, and as a result was fucking terrible. A game with real servers can easily avoid that pitfall.
Haha, touched a nerve, I see. I watched some videos and it looks like standard MMO fare outside of the targeting system. Not trying to bag on the game, since I haven't played it, just saying it has a lot more in common with WoW than it has different.Izayoi said:
That part was tongue-in-cheek. I couldn't resist.Trouble said:
Izayoi said:
It is true, even with broadban. A huge part of latency has to do with the server you are connecting to. Which is why if you play on Cenarius in wow you will have 200 ping, but if you play on any server NOT in the Seattle data center your ping will be around 50.
It makes a massive difference. In a boss fight, it can be thousands of DPS in difference. They even create mods to try and counter-act the latency with your reaction time like Quartz.
World of Warcraft does not even use an action-based system and it makes a massive difference. It's documented and there are many different ways to combat it. Although you don't notice it since it's not something like framelag, it greatly effects everything you do.
In a game like Terra it would be the difference between life and death. there are various videos on youtube showing how latency and client response time effects all genre's of gaming.
Izayoi said:
What is different then? The videos I've seen are groups fightings monsters, then a boss shows up and worrier looking players tank and mage looking players sit back and do DPS until it dies.
What core gameplay changes does it make that are on the same level as TOR's storylines, companions, space battles, ect? It has a different battle system, but what else?
Well, it's the best MMO I've ever played (and I've been playing MMOs for 15 years now). It plays like Monster Hunter, except an MMO. It's nothing like your traditional MMO fare. It's more like an open-world action game than anything. Hard to describe, really, but I have more fun fighting solo mobs in TERA than I did raiding in any of the MMOs I played prior. Trying to go back is impossible.Trouble said:
Right, which is why it's up to developers to build around such limitations and keep those pitfalls in mind when making their games. Just because Blizzard is too lazy to do it doesn't mean it's okay for everyone to follow their example.Blackface said:
The game is story driven. There are tons of cutscenes, voice acting, and story events, more than any MMO I've played prior. It doesn't come quite to TOR's level in that respect, but it's certainly head and shoulders above everything else out right now in that regard. The story-driven narrative and the combat set it apart from anything else currently on the market or to be released on the market this year. If TOR copied TERA's combat system it would arguably be the best MMO ever made, it's just a shame that in the end it's going to be held back by its ancient, done-to-death combat.Darklord said:
You forgot this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbRuXAnYingIzayoi said:
That is fantastic to hear.Iadien said:
The less like WoW it feels the better.
That video is actually very, very misleading.Xabora said:
The Korean sorc was stacking attack speed buffs, compared to the European with no attack speed buffs. Ping does not effect your attack speed at all. The only thing ping effects in TERA is your ability to dodge and block monsters, and that can be compensated for with enough practice.
Taking videos out of context is very cool, having played korean tera, attack speed being affected by latency is simply not true.Xabora said:
That being said, while Tera plays excellent, it simply lacks the polish of WoW. Visually oversized invisible barriers are everywhere, they really break the immersion of the visuals for me.
BattleMonkey
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This thread went to shit, and over what again? WoW comparisons. Yay MMO threads!
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