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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT3| GL HF NO GG
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Corran Horn
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FXO to pay for Choyafou to go to MLG Anaheim out of their own pocket because he was nice to them. hmm.
its the only air unit that doesn't have any other ability that attacking air (ignoring how shit it is in ground battle except landing on tanks in tvt).Yoshichan said:
phoenix, muta and banshee = excellent harass and mobility
corrupter = morph to broodlord + good anti air.
void ray = perfect early game air.
bc's and carriers = we don't see them anyway.
Q8D3vil said:
I like how corrupters plus side is that it can actually morph into another actually useful unit, not sure how great it is against air, I guess it beats phoenix at least.
Why do you consider viking so bad? I admit the ground mode isn't awesome but I have seen in many GSL games where the Terran wins the battle against colossus Protoss and then lands the vikings to help clearing out other units.
I feel like the Viking needs to have a range upgrade researched as opposed to having it out of the box, so the Viking has a range of 6 at first.Yoshichan said:
Make Terran build a Fusion core or have it researched in the tech lab.
Remember Marauders used to have Concussion Shells out of the box.
Reapers also had Stim before public beta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrQ53Fmgzw0#t=2m35s
corrupter are almost as good as vikiking but they lack the range, zerg get muta anyway so they don't bother getting them unless they need broodlords. the morph into other unit because you can easily morph in half of them and keep the other half as anti air on the fly.MrKnives said:
viking ground mod only works for tanking damage(except tvt), they are not cost effective at all in ground mode.
i agree they are the best air unit, but there is a reason for that.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
No, I mean if you need fusion core to upgrade viking range, it would be hard to scout for bc'sclaviertekky said:
People would go fusion core just for the upgrade anyway.PhoenixDark
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MrKnives said:
thank you based god. That shit looked horrible
PhoenixDark
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No. As a connoisseur of transsexuals I am not impressed
Huk tweeted that he avoided getting the makeup unfortunatelyMrKnives said:
Fruitdealer and Genius kinda pulled it off ok but Anypro and Clide are scary as hell. I'm glad they are taking it away. Just after they show HuK with the make-up!
Alicia and Trickster probably were the most horrible of them all though.
Even managed to make Nada look bad ;(
PhoenixDark
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you guys sure are making it hard to browse this thread at work. smh
claviertekky said:
Uh no it's not, the reason why Vikings have such a large range is because other wise they would be decimated by stalkers. Vikings are fine in general due to their shitty everything else.
The only problem with vikings is maybe they counter VRs too effectively but that's about it.
There isn't anything that is broken much in TvP really (besides maybe EMP). 20ish Vikings will be able to oneshot a colossus but I dunno why you wouldn't tech switch or go pheonix/colossus before 20 vikings.
Captain Fish
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Can't you use Viking morph to harass your opponents mineral line? I know Terran has a ton of harasses but I think that's only happened to me once.
TheThunder
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Corruptors are easily the worst air to air unit, they are one of the worst unit in the game period.
Blizzard definitely needs to go back to the design board with both the Corruptor and the Hydra for the new expansion.
Blizzard definitely needs to go back to the design board with both the Corruptor and the Hydra for the new expansion.
The existence of the corrupters probably has to do with the hydra being a immobile tier 2 unit. Was the hydra suppose to be a defensive anti-air while the corrupters are there for aggressive? Either way, I agree that they're easily the worst compared to the other races' respective counterparts. I'll be more than happy if their existence was gone and I can morph a brood lord straight from a larvae.
Corruptors need their damage and usefulness totally redesigned. It is a good idea to have a "damage increase debuff", but not this way. Its usefulness is reduced to be "good" against the following:
- Thors
- Archons
- Colossuses
- BC/Carriers
- Ultralisks
Colossues are pretty hard to target down all when they are inside a deathball, and they are the only units that the corruptors are actually usable against (not counting BC/Carriers). Against other air units, Corruptors fire too slowly, something which their range can not possibly compensate against
Sometimes I get the feeling that some units were designed with other, since then removed mechanics in the developer's mind. Corruption as a spell would only work good if it was an aoe cloud. Would not destroy micro in a way that FF does to the opponent, would not lock down enemies like fungal, and it would not damage by itself. I can imagine they did not want to have the option for a massable unit that, combined with Infestor, could easily aoe-nuke huge clumps of units, regardless of what is inside.
But as of right now, Corruptor is stuck between "counter to something, but not really good if you have to resort to it" and "we want you to cast something with it, but we do not want it to become a powerful caster choice". If they really are a stepping stone only, make them one supply. Or make them cost the same as a Viking, not more. That is one way to change them. Other would be to make them way more versatile, even if it includes removing their spell. Make corruption work like Void Ray's beam: corruptor shot makes the target vulnerable for the next shot - but only from the corruptor. But make it shoot faster so this ability actually worths anything.
- Thors
- Archons
- Colossuses
- BC/Carriers
- Ultralisks
Colossues are pretty hard to target down all when they are inside a deathball, and they are the only units that the corruptors are actually usable against (not counting BC/Carriers). Against other air units, Corruptors fire too slowly, something which their range can not possibly compensate against
Sometimes I get the feeling that some units were designed with other, since then removed mechanics in the developer's mind. Corruption as a spell would only work good if it was an aoe cloud. Would not destroy micro in a way that FF does to the opponent, would not lock down enemies like fungal, and it would not damage by itself. I can imagine they did not want to have the option for a massable unit that, combined with Infestor, could easily aoe-nuke huge clumps of units, regardless of what is inside.
But as of right now, Corruptor is stuck between "counter to something, but not really good if you have to resort to it" and "we want you to cast something with it, but we do not want it to become a powerful caster choice". If they really are a stepping stone only, make them one supply. Or make them cost the same as a Viking, not more. That is one way to change them. Other would be to make them way more versatile, even if it includes removing their spell. Make corruption work like Void Ray's beam: corruptor shot makes the target vulnerable for the next shot - but only from the corruptor. But make it shoot faster so this ability actually worths anything.
In a way, it is the perfectly opposite unit to something like Siege Tank. With sieges, if you had enough of them, you could think "okay, ground battles are pretty much under MY control. Now I only have to worry about a potential AIR switch, but then, before that happens, I can be a hammer and pressure/kill with this ground force". With Corruptor, if you got lots of them, you can think "okay, if my opponent goes AIR-heavy, I might be okay. Now..to worry about ground".
Except, there is no pressure in not having air superiority when you are against a zerg. You just ignore it. Your buildings are not in the air. Colossus is actually quite similar to Siege in that regard: have enough of them, and you will only have to worry about air. Any ground force you will be able to deal with the way you choose, at the place you would like.
Except, there is no pressure in not having air superiority when you are against a zerg. You just ignore it. Your buildings are not in the air. Colossus is actually quite similar to Siege in that regard: have enough of them, and you will only have to worry about air. Any ground force you will be able to deal with the way you choose, at the place you would like.
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