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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT3| GL HF NO GG
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mescalineeyes
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oh, right on.
Jeff-DSA said:
From the recent GSL yeah pretty much. Besides Sage, both Terran and Protoss seem to stuck in the phase of "I must kill Zerg before infestor/brood lord is out" which usually just means a 2/3 base all in. Sometimes Protoss like Choya and Sage do cool stuff with warp prism and ff ramp but generally it's pretty boring.
TvP has so many options from 111, to fast ghost, to 6 gate to 3 gate blink to a standard macro game. It's quite fun.
Well yeah, the crop of protoss players in the ST weren't really that great, before sage/puzzle/tassadar protoss was carried by MC and that was it. MC got knocked out in a PvP by alicia so protoss struggled heavily in gsl st
Jeff-DSA said:
By that do you mean ZvT and ZvP heavily favors Zerg right now? Just for fun who has advanced to RO16 in GSL July to this date.
5 T
4 Z
3 P
I would call that pretty ok. Lets not even go to Code A.
I know GSL doesn't say everything but I'm just curious why TvP is the only balanced matchup?
AdventureRacing
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MrKnives said:
Recently in GSL TvZ has heavily favoured terran and PvZ has heavily favoured zerg.
This happens after each and every patch/metagame shift.
Zerg start winning, Terran and Protoss players complain about how they need to do early all-ins before Zerg gets <insert "unbeatable" unit combination here> to win, meta game shifts so Zerg start losing, Zergs starting whining, patch/metagame shift; repeat ad nauseum.
It's so ridiculously stupid.
Zerg start winning, Terran and Protoss players complain about how they need to do early all-ins before Zerg gets <insert "unbeatable" unit combination here> to win, meta game shifts so Zerg start losing, Zergs starting whining, patch/metagame shift; repeat ad nauseum.
It's so ridiculously stupid.
twofold said:
No, it's actually true that Zerg gets to an unbeatable mix. The big problem is that they can tech switch so quickly while Terran and Protoss can't because they need the unit producing structures. Zerg builds one spire and all of a sudden can make a ton of Mutas in a short period of time. For a Terran to go air, they need to produce several starports to produce similar numbers. So if Terran tech switches to deal with Mutas (Thors/Marines), Zerg can quickly change to Infestors and Brood Lords, and all of a sudden Terran needs to mass up Ghosts, Vikings, and Marines. It's just impossible for Terran to keep up with how quickly Zerg transitions from one composition to another if you let them tech up too far.
Jeff-DSA said:
How is that confirming your statement. Zergs needed one building and has always been able to tech swich or mass produce units and it has been just fine in BW and all through beta to this date and now suddenly people are going WE CAN'T BEAT THAT. Terran isn't supposed to "keep up with them" in terms of production, though marines kinda contradict even that because with reactors you can make them quite fast.
Going from Infestors into broodlords isn't really an huge tech switch. It's a transition they do to win games.
"If terran switches to Thors to deal with mutas Zerg can just switch to Infestor and Broodlords." yea it's that easy and safe.
I guess Terrans can whine just as much as the Zergs.
Jeff-DSA said:
I've been hearing these same arguments for over a year now. People say the same old shit and then not too long after the metagame shifts as people learn to deal with new Zerg strat.
People should play more and whine less.
Or, at the very least, look at Brood War's history of metagame shifts before crying that something is overpowered/broken.
Corran Horn
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You guys talk alot. Lets dance if you want to. You can leave your friends behind.
Jeff-DSA said:
That quickness involves having 1000-2000+ gas stockpiled, I am pretty sure if Terran has that much of stockpiled gas, he can easily set up 4-5 Starports and/or Factorys at once. Not to mention that nothing stops them from setting these production facilities up way before zerg has a lategame composition. Especially on 3+ bases.
Devil, your muta problem does not exist in the real world
Let's be serious here. The game isn't balanced unless the top 16 of every tournament is Terran. 3/4 Terran in the quarterfinals is clear evidence that Terran is underpowered.
The game is extremely close to balanced. The same whining that is going on about BL/Infestor is the same as the whining about the Protoss deathball. Terrans (other than Byun) seem to be the only players who refuse to use their caster units in both matchups. We've seen heavy Ghost usage vs. Zerg in one? GSL match and it worked pretty damn well. Maybe we should explore that avenue before we declare the matchup imbalanced.
Corran Horn
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Learning ze terran builds. Fun stuff.
Jeff-DSA said:
Most of the time after release when Zergs didn't win a single game against Terran everyone were saying "well just do tech switches" well now they are, you asked for it.
It's a Zerg thing to do so of course it's easier and safer because Zerg doesn't need to have 15 spires.
You are just listing the abilities that Zerg has and Terran doesn't and say it's imbalanced. I call it just being different from the other races.
Same as me saying that turtle play is easier for terran and you can just expand, make pf with siege tanks an turrets and bunkers and TAKE THE WHOLE MAP. It's easier for terran to defend.
That doesn't mean shit really. You can't really tech switch into 20 mutas without having 2000 gas spare gas whcih usually involves 200/200 anyways and the same gas for Terran. Do something with it.
Also your explanation of you not whining is the same that Zergs have been giving since beta.
Edit: Corran that pic is <3
its not my problem, my 6 rax win me or lose me the game before any muta pop out.Devil, your muta problem does not exist in the real world
latest simple examples mvp vs zenio and zenio vs byun yesterday. any terran vs zenexLine in the previous gsl st.
terran will figure out something, or blizzard will nerf something.
i don't know, i'm hoping for the best.
TheThunder
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There is some delusion alright but I'm afraid I'm not it...pieatorium said:
slidewinder
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Why is the US in particular so godawful at this game, though? Just too much COD and Halo I guess?
Corran Horn
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We like going outside and having fun.slidewinder said:
Trickster
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slidewinder said:
The US doesn't have a very strong pc culture compared to europe or asia, mainly because consoles are so popular in the US, so obviously you'll see less good players coming out of the US than EU or Asia. You see the same thing in games like WoW, european guilds dominate US guilds when it comes to completing the new content.
Awesome Animals
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RedGamer said:
You'll be able to play me bwahaha!
But just show up to the chat channel around nine, and we fool around, play some 1v1s or UMS games.
Chinese Electric Batman
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Corran Horn said:We like going outside and having fun.
Get a life nerds!!!!!!!!!!!
mescalineeyes
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get a room you two.
ShallNoiseUpon
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This thread got shitted up real fast.
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