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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT3| GL HF NO GG
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So, can someone give me the 411 on this Idra debacle? I haven't been following SC2 for like 2+ months, but the last few pages of funny pics got me curious.
So he GGed right at the start of a game? What tournament was this? How far in it was he? Who was his opponent? Why in the fuck did he do it?
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So he GGed right at the start of a game? What tournament was this? How far in it was he? Who was his opponent? Why in the fuck did he do it?
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Corran Horn
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Yo! I'm talking to yo player alright?
Peace!
Peace!
slidewinder
Banned
Does anybody who watched that TL Open think Idra was playing at or anywhere near Nerchio's level in general, throughout the course of the tournamentl?
Contracted, salaried, comfortable, fan-favorite (and therefore sponsor favorite) NA "bad boy" Zerg Idra compared to the relatively low-profile (though extremely successful in smaller online tournaments) Nerchio? A 100%, full-time, professional American dude against a Polish kid who plays, practices, and kicks ass at SC2. . . insofar as his studies allow?
Idra looked like shit in every regard compared to Nerchio from the beginning of the tournament to their respective exits. Just awful, and not just because he gave up a game before it even started. Nerchio was playing on a higher level in every respect: micro, macro, game and map awareness, in every matchup and every game either of them played.
Somebody flame me, tell me I'm wrong here.
Contracted, salaried, comfortable, fan-favorite (and therefore sponsor favorite) NA "bad boy" Zerg Idra compared to the relatively low-profile (though extremely successful in smaller online tournaments) Nerchio? A 100%, full-time, professional American dude against a Polish kid who plays, practices, and kicks ass at SC2. . . insofar as his studies allow?
Idra looked like shit in every regard compared to Nerchio from the beginning of the tournament to their respective exits. Just awful, and not just because he gave up a game before it even started. Nerchio was playing on a higher level in every respect: micro, macro, game and map awareness, in every matchup and every game either of them played.
Somebody flame me, tell me I'm wrong here.
He isn't playing at nerchio's level, but that game was a very standard zvz in which idra got an early advantage due to nerchio's worse opening and ling #s. Idra made two mistakes; not moving his overlord to scout (nerchio didn't either btw) and didn't have both of his queens at ramp in time. Otherwise neither player had time to demonstrate anything. Nerchio looked somewhat shaky in the finals, despite eventually winning 2-3slidewinder said:
slidewinder
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No, no, no. Completely my mistake. I meant through the TOURNAMENT IN GENERAL. Seriously, sorry, going to fix that now.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
One of idra's strengths was a strong bw background but players are now catching up. ^^
Remember he would at times practice for only a few hours a day with better results.
Remember he would at times practice for only a few hours a day with better results.
slidewinder said:
No you're right. Idra's play has regressed and his BM doesn't come off as funny anymore. It's just sad, especially if you saw his remarks in his games against BlastKalin. Also, his poor mental attitude is catching up to him even more now that other people's mechanics has improved.
slidewinder
Banned
Yeah. But fuck, syllogism, even that 1 Idra v. Nerchio game, that situation with Idra's lings chasing that mixed ling+bling of Nerchios back up Idra's ramp. That right there is HARDCORE STRAIGHT TO THE MARROW ZVZ SHIT.
And Nerchio was smart and a little faster and he won. Good for him.
And Nerchio was smart and a little faster and he won. Good for him.
PhoenixDark
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Nerchio has a perfect record against Idra in sets, so I think it's safe to say he's a better player. I honestly think we're seeing Idra even out skill wise, and he seems to have little interest in getting significantly better. He'll train in Korea for a month or two, long enough to come back to the US and start owning scrubs again. But I don't get the impression he wants to dominate in general. He'd rather hide behind excuses until Zerg is "significantly" buffed.
Nerchio pulled off some impressive shit in the finals yesterday (alongside some sloppy play, true). Idra is being lapped by guys like Nerchio, Dimaga, Sen, and Stephano. Hell even Sheth has improved dramatically since the showmatch fail he had with Idra some months ago.
Nerchio pulled off some impressive shit in the finals yesterday (alongside some sloppy play, true). Idra is being lapped by guys like Nerchio, Dimaga, Sen, and Stephano. Hell even Sheth has improved dramatically since the showmatch fail he had with Idra some months ago.
syllogism said:
You mean that they under cut the team and management itself and directly snipped a player without entering in to formal negotiations? That's not just considered poor form in SC2/BW esports. You're suppose to go through the official channels and not blind side the organizations.
V_Arnold said:
Hm, about that:
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/34335-TSL_returns_to_Starcraft_2_Committee
TheThunder
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I'm not by any means an EG fan but Puma was non contracted, i.e. free agent, the only only official channel you need at that point is the player himself.Zen said:
I don't know how the "negotiation process" exactly went, but given the fact he wasn't even contracted, there was nothing to negotiate. I'm sure they informed the management at some point and it's possible they didn't do it early enough in the process, but what exactly can TSL do when the player isn't under a contract?
It's still expected that you actually inform the team that you are speaking to one of their free agents, if you are serious about acquiring them.TheThunder said:
It's considered bad form to blindside another organization by not giving them time to factor it in to their ongoing plans.
There's blame with Puma and EG for not giving TSL a heads up. That's poor form and bad business. Can you imagine if Huk was technically a free agent and Liquid hadn't been informed until Huk essentially walked out with an EG shirt? Puma isn't that big to the NA scene so I think it was seen as more excusable, but really it shouldn't be.
syllogism said:
Actually I do.
Puma brought it up days after winning GSTL, and from the TSL coaches perspective, when Puma had already made up his mind. Only after the TSL coach had repeatedly asked him what was wrong over a period of time because Puma seemed stressed out for some time.
The way the PlayXP article reads, it seems like the conversation where TSL found out was one in the same where PUMA left the team.
So when is the appropriate time? If EG made inquiries about Puma's willingness to join and then waited until Puma had made up his mind, would this be the appropriate time? There is nothing to negotiate with TSL and if Puma doesn't want to join, there is no point in informing TSLZen said:
btw the playxp article proves nothing
PhoenixDark
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Puma was not under contract. That should end this conversation for most sane people. If you want to treat esports like a real sport, it shouldn't be hard to see why EG picking up a free agent is no big deal.
Looks like there is a bug on Tal'Darim where you can determine a Zerg's position without scouting. It doesn't seem to be as obvious as the Lost Temple one was, but it is still doable.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=262438
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=262438
syllogism said:
Sometime sooner than when it happened.
The play XP article gives a statement of time frame from the coach of TSL, something that he'd have no reason to lie about, not even EG has disputed the statements in the PlayXP article.
But we can continue to say that the outcry from the community was solely 'koreans being weird" and a Liquid/EG rivalry, I guess.
So what kind of performance do you guys get? I'm usually between 40-60 with i5 2500K (OC'd to 4.0ghz), 1gb 6950, and 8gb of ram. For some reason I thought this new build would sustain SC2 at max settings while rarely dipping below 60, but I guess it's a more demanding game than I realized.
TheThunder
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Speaking of Puma, why hasn't he played in the last 2 code A qualis if his plans is to stay in korea with huk ?
Seems like a waste sitting there and doing nothing.
Seems like a waste sitting there and doing nothing.
TheThunder
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It's not, the game is just not properly optimized at all.ACE 1991 said:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/home/what_kind_machine_will_run_starcraft_ii_we_find_out
and benchmarks show that you should be crushing SC2 at max settings
and benchmarks show that you should be crushing SC2 at max settings
slidewinder
Banned
Could be. That can be a big performance hit (and the game plays way better with it on, unfortunately).ACE 1991 said:
How many CPU threads does this game make good use of?
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
He is in America. Probably to help train incontrol to play instead of looking at his tl pm's and teach idra gg timings.TheThunder said:
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Yes they should gg before the game starts like a boss.Trickster said:
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