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shit shat shat
ShallNoiseUpon
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mescalineeyes said:
shatted up?
Awesome Animals
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At least when we were making fun of Prosser we were making progress in this thread...
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Yoshichan said:
mescalineeyes
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Awesome Animals said:
backwards.
edit: it's shat. just shat. the form shatted doesn't exist.
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mescalineeyes said:
shat
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I'm not sure where we're going with this.
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ShallNoiseUpon said:
english class
Awesome Animals
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mescalineeyes said:
At least when we were making progress in this thread we were making fun of Prosser...
fixed?
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Q8D3vil said:
shut up q83vil
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Yoshichan said:
you know what q8 stands for, right?
MrKnives said:
You're calling people whiners when they just state facts. Nobody is whining that Terran or Protoss tech switches slower than Zerg. That's a difference between the races. But since that reason exists, Terran (because they can't blink under BLs) has to get on top of Zerg early or things get out of hand. It's not a complaint, it's on observation of fact. It is a fact that you will lose to any competent Zerg if you don't pressure him throughout the game.
People can discuss a race's strengths or weaknesses without whining about it.
Jeff-DSA said:
When he said the thread has gone to shit I thought he meant the previous page where I didn't even post. If he meant us arguing then I apologize, I don't like to whine either.
To be honest the only problem I had with your post is that you "stated facts" when you were saying Zerg is unbeatable with that combination/late game and must be killed earlier.
I just don't think you are qualified enough to state any such facts. The game has always had these "unbeatable" things that got beaten in the end.
Now you are saying you must pressure a good Zerg if you want to beat him in the lategame and with that I 100% agree, you were much harsher with your words before.
I just thought the pressure on Zerg was kinda obvious thing you had to do because getting good eco and with that having a awesome strong lategame was kinda Zergs thing.
the idea that zerg can efficiently tech switch midgame is kind of cut at the knee by zergs heavily tech requirements to make those units viable.
the mutalisk is the only zerg unit you can truly build with no strings attached, everything else needs an extra 100~ seconds atleast in research time just to be worth building. Zerg switches are a purely lategame affair where you start backteching only after establishing your hive options.
the mutalisk is the only zerg unit you can truly build with no strings attached, everything else needs an extra 100~ seconds atleast in research time just to be worth building. Zerg switches are a purely lategame affair where you start backteching only after establishing your hive options.
Biff
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So I've hit a new TvZ ceiling against high plats. They fast expand and build two spine crawlers at their natural.. I can't seem to beat this :S
My micro is kinda awful and my APM is around 60. My 3rax+stim+concussive loses to banelings because of my bad micro... I even tried to SCV all-in with a 50 food 3rax army that hit at ~7:45 out of frustration and still managed to lose. Their reinforcing lings are just too much after the first battle.
Are there any non-micro intensive counters to the Zerg fast expand? Cloak banshees?
I know the correct answer is practise macro and micro, but I only have time to play around 5-6 games a week, so I'm kind of looking for the easy way out with a build that directly counters the zerg fast expand
I'd rather not resort to 6rax (that will hit before bling nest goes up) but maybe that's my answer?
TIA
My micro is kinda awful and my APM is around 60. My 3rax+stim+concussive loses to banelings because of my bad micro... I even tried to SCV all-in with a 50 food 3rax army that hit at ~7:45 out of frustration and still managed to lose. Their reinforcing lings are just too much after the first battle.
Are there any non-micro intensive counters to the Zerg fast expand? Cloak banshees?
I know the correct answer is practise macro and micro, but I only have time to play around 5-6 games a week, so I'm kind of looking for the easy way out with a build that directly counters the zerg fast expand
I'd rather not resort to 6rax (that will hit before bling nest goes up) but maybe that's my answer?
TIA
ChefRamsay said:So I've hit a new TvZ ceiling against high plats. They fast expand and build two spine crawlers at their natural.. I can't seem to beat this :S
My micro is kinda awful and my APM is around 60. My 3rax+stim+concussive loses to banelings because of my bad micro... I even tried to SCV all-in with a 50 food 3rax army that hit at ~7:45 out of frustration and still managed to lose. Their reinforcing lings are just too much after the first battle.
Are there any non-micro intensive counters to the Zerg fast expand? Cloak banshees?
I know the correct answer is practise macro and micro, but I only have time to play around 5-6 games a week, so I'm kind of looking for the easy way out with a build that directly counters the zerg fast expand
I'd rather not resort to 6rax (that will hit before bling nest goes up) but maybe that's my answer?
TIA
If you want a little bit cheesier opening try making like 12 blue hellions and just roll through the spines.
In most cases you either win right there or do a lot of damage and expand and keep map control with blue flame and he will be panicking. It does require you to do damage though. I do random on ladder and that's a good thing to do if you don't want a longer game.
Many Zergs make like 2 spines and think they are safe but with big numbers of BF you can just ignore them.
Better Terrans can advice you more with your lategame situation etc.
you want to cheese but you dont want to 6 rax? uh okay.ChefRamsay said:So I've hit a new TvZ ceiling against high plats. They fast expand and build two spine crawlers at their natural.. I can't seem to beat this :S
My micro is kinda awful and my APM is around 60. My 3rax+stim+concussive loses to banelings because of my bad micro... I even tried to SCV all-in with a 50 food 3rax army that hit at ~7:45 out of frustration and still managed to lose. Their reinforcing lings are just too much after the first battle.
Are there any non-micro intensive counters to the Zerg fast expand? Cloak banshees?
I know the correct answer is practise macro and micro, but I only have time to play around 5-6 games a week, so I'm kind of looking for the easy way out with a build that directly counters the zerg fast expand
I'd rather not resort to 6rax (that will hit before bling nest goes up) but maybe that's my answer?
TIA
anyway you shouldn't be building marauders against zerg, they're not very good. save on the tech labs, concussive and marauder gas and put it towards a factory and some tanks. or BF if you want, but thats slightly riskier. terrans dont see much early roach pressure but builds do exist for it.
ChefRamsay said:So I've hit a new TvZ ceiling against high plats. They fast expand and build two spine crawlers at their natural.. I can't seem to beat this :S
My micro is kinda awful and my APM is around 60. My 3rax+stim+concussive loses to banelings because of my bad micro... I even tried to SCV all-in with a 50 food 3rax army that hit at ~7:45 out of frustration and still managed to lose. Their reinforcing lings are just too much after the first battle.
Are there any non-micro intensive counters to the Zerg fast expand? Cloak banshees?
I know the correct answer is practise macro and micro, but I only have time to play around 5-6 games a week, so I'm kind of looking for the easy way out with a build that directly counters the zerg fast expand
I'd rather not resort to 6rax (that will hit before bling nest goes up) but maybe that's my answer?
TIA
The building of those spine crawlers is a pretty huge investment, there isnt a point to try and break that early on. If they make those then either their economy or offensive capabilities will be delayed for a bit (300 mineral investment + 2 drones = 8 less drones than usual, or in the case of bad aggressive zerg 12 less lings). Feel free to macro up a bit, take an expand and prepare for a marine+tank timing for when their 3rd is getting under way or trying to tech. Of course there is plenty more to do after this, but this should be a good enough start for you to practice.
Also, I wouldnt go so far as to say you need to 'counter' a zerg FE. The only real way to hardcounter it is a proxy 2-rax. It doesnt hurt to poke in and see what you can do, but get out of there before speed finishes (watch some reps and see when ling speed is done after a FE, I forget) and dont lose anything to those spines.
Anyways, since you are just looking for quick wins do proxy-2rax every game. Just leave 1 in your base so nothing is too suspiscious, might as well follow up in initial attack with scv + more marines to piss in their faces some more. Hopefully you consider my other advice though =(
6 rax is good bro !!!ChefRamsay said:So I've hit a new TvZ ceiling against high plats. They fast expand and build two spine crawlers at their natural.. I can't seem to beat this :S
My micro is kinda awful and my APM is around 60. My 3rax+stim+concussive loses to banelings because of my bad micro... I even tried to SCV all-in with a 50 food 3rax army that hit at ~7:45 out of frustration and still managed to lose. Their reinforcing lings are just too much after the first battle.
Are there any non-micro intensive counters to the Zerg fast expand? Cloak banshees?
I know the correct answer is practise macro and micro, but I only have time to play around 5-6 games a week, so I'm kind of looking for the easy way out with a build that directly counters the zerg fast expand
I'd rather not resort to 6rax (that will hit before bling nest goes up) but maybe that's my answer?
TIA
end it while you can.
or
-you can do FE and then get marine tank army and push at 10 minute mark.
-blue flame play.
-1 port banshee fe
also, try mass mech play. i don't think zerg in platinum know how to stop it.
mescalineeyes
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Yoshichan said:Who doesn't?
abbreviations usually don't stand for other abbreviations.
Biff
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Hmm. I just saw this BF opening on Destiny's stream last night and it beat him. I'll take a look..MrKnives said:
Maybe I should watch less and play more? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh lol
I know what you're saying about the cheese thing but 6rax just seems so boring. It's a very TvX cheese and I prefer having one build for each scenario that I scout. So maybe if my scout is denied then yes 6rax is a good option, but otherwise I feel like I learn a bit more by having to keep my SCV alive to scout what the Zerg is doing (rather than just scout his position and pull back to Xel Naga tower).Pandaman said:
But again I'm gold now so there's a very good chance I'm being silly and not making much sense.
Your marauder tip is very good! Explains why the build works so much better against one-base zerg, as they deal with roaches so well. 2base Z never have roaches when they hit.. I can't believe I didn't see this earlier!
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
god damn all right... marines without stimQ8D3vil said:
I don't think I can handle that...edit: how do I prevent the scouting? An early drone inside my base would ruin everything since they'll see I don't have any gas...?
yeah, but you need an quick expansion before or after getting the 2 factories.ChefRamsay said:
try learning bunker rush of two rax then put expansion between 22-24 food and immediately get two gases up and saturate them.
there is also the fast 2 factories. get 12 rax 13 gas get only 2 marines then save 400 minerals throw an expansion and 2 factories after that immediately. when they finish take second gas and put reactor and tech lab and start blue flame, once you get 5-6 hellions fly ur oc to the natural and harass with the hellions and get tanks after blue flame finish and throw down an armory at the 7:30 minute mark so you will have thors if the zerg want to harass you with muta.
Pandaman said:
This is good advice. I only get out Marauders if I scout that Roaches will be coming or later in the game if I want to try to drop a few to snipe a building. You're much better off building a factory, having it build a reactor while the starport builds, swap the reactor to the starport, and start dropping on his mineral lines. Marauders are much better in the Protoss matchup, but Zerglings will just murder them.
I guess you can have a few in your mix to take the Baneling damage for your ball, but you have to be good enough at micro to get them out front when the engagement occurs.
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Apparently the build is supposed to look like a fast expand, so no gas doesn't necessarily mean 6rax.Yoshichan said:god damn all right... marines without stim
edit: how do I prevent the scouting? An early drone inside my base would ruin everything since they'll see I don't have any gas...?
But, from what I've read you can build a gas once your rax is finished and marine is on the way. Have marine shoo drone away and cancel gas when it's clear. It'll just look like a late gas.
you will have a marine to kill the drone and put them on patrol on the side to spot scouting overlords.Yoshichan said:god damn all right... marines without stim
edit: how do I prevent the scouting? An early drone inside my base would ruin everything since they'll see I don't have any gas...?
there is also one thing i like to do, fake a bunker like i'm going to expo then salvage and attack when i have a good number of marines.
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