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i thought we are talking about playing the matchup.MrKnives said:Yea, TvT is horrible
everyone hate playing mirrors, tvt is so fucking dumb because right now everyone is either going banshee or blue flame and its impossible to prepare for both or scout it.
its dumb as fuck matchup early game.
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Only took over an hour for that engagement too! lol
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gomtv still at same as before...maybe your surrender first eyes need to be checked.Hugoboss21 said:
Hugoboss21 said:idra stream is up!
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IdrA
idra's viewers keep going up and gomtv keeps going down lol
Edit: Member! =]
isnt the gomtv stream a korean stream with 2 random koreans playing? -_-
I'll be honest here. I random more than I should and TvT is just the best mirror there is.
In PvP you die quite easily even if you have few less units than your opponent. 4gate is still strong as hell etc. It's getting better though.
ZvZ you just do choose your poison (blings or roaches) and go with them. You're trying to be smart and make few drones mixed with few roaches and then your overlord spots 60 lings coming to your base at the speed of light.
Granted TvT can be a pain too but in there I just like that I can expand quickly and safely. Even if he has a bigger force, with a good siege tank position you can still hold it easily.
It does get annoying if it becomes a viking war but even then you can still make thors/pdd etc to help you out.
It's just a slower matchup where you have more time to think and usually player who is better will win.
Edit: Is Superstar the crazy guy with a cape?
In PvP you die quite easily even if you have few less units than your opponent. 4gate is still strong as hell etc. It's getting better though.
ZvZ you just do choose your poison (blings or roaches) and go with them. You're trying to be smart and make few drones mixed with few roaches and then your overlord spots 60 lings coming to your base at the speed of light.
Granted TvT can be a pain too but in there I just like that I can expand quickly and safely. Even if he has a bigger force, with a good siege tank position you can still hold it easily.
It does get annoying if it becomes a viking war but even then you can still make thors/pdd etc to help you out.
It's just a slower matchup where you have more time to think and usually player who is better will win.
Edit: Is Superstar the crazy guy with a cape?
This is like the 4th or 5th ZvZ in a row on IdrA's stream. I'm seeing a crazy high number of Zergs in the ladder too. Why so many these days? Some dude on Reddit (I think it was Reddit) was saying that Zerg players play quite a bit more games in proportion to Protoss and Terran, but I can't remember if his numbers backed it up well or not.
Edit: And why hasn't a mod put this under Yoshi's "Rage Apologist" tag?
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Edit: And why hasn't a mod put this under Yoshi's "Rage Apologist" tag?
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Corran Horn
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They learned that making infestors wins the game. Zerg is easy now!Jeff-DSA said:
I still mostly just get pvps
which is another problem because you don't fucking want to lose 1 hour game and neither does your opponent, soyou both begin turtling (siege tanks + missle turrets everywhere so drop is not even an option).
its turn into air war with bc's and dumb stuff.
but the main reason why it is a dumb dumb matchup because of the huge defendor advantage even if you have like 30 supply lead you can't attack into your turtled as fuck opponent.
The only bad thing I have ever thought about TvT when playing it, is that I don't want every game to be ~1h but I guess you can fix what with some cheese etc. I did love when it went bc's though. I'd rather play one 1h game with bc's than 10 10min zvz's which consist of bling busts/roach all-ins
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ZvZ gets really fucking good once you learn to hold all the retarded allins people try to do.
As for not being able to prepare for both blue flame drop or Banshees... Welcome to the world of Zerg
As for not being able to prepare for both blue flame drop or Banshees... Welcome to the world of Zerg
you play zerg, you don't know how painful it is to play 1 hour game just trying to find holes in your opponent defense system then be surprised with 10 bc's.fanboi said:bcs are dumb as fuck!?!?
Now you are trolling
not every tvt is like that but thats how retarded tvt can be.
except it easier for zerg to hold bf because of how fast lings are.mescalineeyes said:ZvZ gets really fucking good once you learn to hold all the retarded allins people try to do.
As for not being able to prepare for both blue flame drop or Banshees... Welcome to the world of Zerg
trying catching hellion with marines or tank.
mescalineeyes said:ZvZ gets really fucking good once you learn to hold all the retarded allins people try to do.
As for not being able to prepare for both blue flame drop or Banshees... Welcome to the world of Zerg
Well, I still think end game is stupid... in most cases.
well if T comes with 4 BFH, you need so many lings that you have to cutback on drones that you will in almost every case be behind eco wise... even if he dont kill a drone.
not to talk how he can contain you to 2 base while taking 2nd quick or even third, and force you to maybe build roaches to repel if he goes mass BFH
EDIT: I'm not saying its unbeatable, the terran player need to have good micro while macroing, its just a very strong build. Example a player did it to me yesterday, killed 21 drones, and he lost since he couldn't follow it up.
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And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Wait, are we talking about blue flame with or without drops?
A couple of well placed spinecrawlers and a a queen at the ramp shouldn't be too hard... and if there's drops inc, it's easily scouted (no tanks/no add on starport or reactor starport) and you can easily deny it.
A couple of well placed spinecrawlers and a a queen at the ramp shouldn't be too hard... and if there's drops inc, it's easily scouted (no tanks/no add on starport or reactor starport) and you can easily deny it.
mescalineeyes
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Q8D3vil said:
that's actually a very reasonable point in my opinion
i do a basic simcity with supply depot (after walling of my ramp so the first 2 depot and rax will be to wall of the ramp) so after that i put the next 2 or 3 depot behind the mineral line, putting building behind the mineral is not good since it can work against you if your opponent went banshee.MrKnives said:
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Facing terran on the ladder has got me close to just giving up on SC2 for a while.
First game i face a proxy 2 port banshee. After killing 6 banshees i am thinking maybe there will be some reprieve only to be met by a push with siege tanks (with siege mode), marines and hellions.
Second game the terran rushes me with a handful of marines and hellions with about 10-12 scv's. After managing to hold it off within a few minutes i am greeted by 3 cloaked banshees.
Was it possible for me to win the games? Sure, i know i made mistakes. I can put up with facing cheese, it's always going to be on the ladder. My problem is that they don't get punished enough for trying to cheese and are able to come back with 2 or 3 more waves of the bullshit.
The worst part is you rarely get to practice against it. There are so many different cheeses/all ins that lots of them i've only faced once or twice if at all.
Edit: Before anyone says it i'm not claiming imbalance, as i know there are plenty of zergs doing fine in this matchup.
First game i face a proxy 2 port banshee. After killing 6 banshees i am thinking maybe there will be some reprieve only to be met by a push with siege tanks (with siege mode), marines and hellions.
Second game the terran rushes me with a handful of marines and hellions with about 10-12 scv's. After managing to hold it off within a few minutes i am greeted by 3 cloaked banshees.
Was it possible for me to win the games? Sure, i know i made mistakes. I can put up with facing cheese, it's always going to be on the ladder. My problem is that they don't get punished enough for trying to cheese and are able to come back with 2 or 3 more waves of the bullshit.
The worst part is you rarely get to practice against it. There are so many different cheeses/all ins that lots of them i've only faced once or twice if at all.
Edit: Before anyone says it i'm not claiming imbalance, as i know there are plenty of zergs doing fine in this matchup.
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MrKnives said:
I might later. I know exactly where i'm going wrong, and that's a big part of my frustration. I think my biggest issue by far is letting myself get supply capped and only realising when i see the terran army moving out.
I guess i should just keep practising.
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