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STEAM- Announcements & Updates 2011 Edition |OT2|

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Interfectum

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BigJiantRobut said:
And yet that's what Valve did with Steam in the first place. Do people think that Steam just popped up out of nowhere?

What... Valve was trailblazing with Steam. Everyone else is playing follow the leader.
 

Joe Molotov

Member
BigJiantRobut said:
And yet that's what Valve did with Steam in the first place. Do people think that Steam just popped up out of nowhere?

Ummm...yes? I'm really struggling to think of any significant DD platforms that existed before Steam, nevermind one that has the catalog or feature set of Steam.
 
LovingSteam said:
The difference is that when Valve did this with Steam there was no other service. There was no Origin. There was no Gamersgate. There was no Impulse. Should they sell their games on other services now? Sure, why not. Is it the same situation with Origin today as it was with Steam back when it launched? Not even close.

If I remember correctly, though, there was Direct2Drive, and FileFront and FilePlanet hosted several DD games at the time. Granted, not as all-encompassing as Steam is today, but I swear people seem to forget how limited and kind of shit Steam was at launch. It was the only way to play Valve games and Vampire, but that was it. EA's moves with this game are kind of shitty, but at the same time, a lot of the language people are using seem to suggest that they don't think EA should be allowed to launch a DD platform.

I've already agreed with you on that other point so I'm not sure why you're still arguing with me about that one. I hadn't seen that BF3 was being sold on other stores and just being withheld from Steam.

Joe Molotov said:
Ummm...yes? I'm really struggling to think of any significant DD platforms that existed before 2003, nevermind one that has the catalog or feature set of Steam.

Sure, but people did not take kindly to Steam being required to play Half-Life 2.

Your Fleetwood Mac example is almost exactly the same as this, only instead of iTunes already existing, Valve told people they had to be connected to the internet and launch through a proprietary program to play their games, even if they bought it from retail. Steam did not launch with a huge lovely library.
 

plc268

Member
BigJiantRobut said:
If I remember correctly, though, there was Direct2Drive, and FileFront and FilePlanet hosted several DD games at the time. Granted, not as all-encompassing as Steam is today, but I swear people seem to forget how limited and kind of shit Steam was at launch. It was the only way to play Valve games and Vampire, but that was it. EA's moves with this game are kind of shitty, but at the same time, a lot of the language people are using seem to suggest that they don't think EA should be allowed to launch a DD platform.

I've already agreed with you on that other point so I'm not sure why you're still arguing with me about that one. I hadn't seen that BF3 was being sold on other stores and just being withheld from Steam.

Once again, it's the way they're launching Origin. No one complains about WoW, Diablo, and Starcraft not being on steam because it's exclusive to battle.net. If BF3 was exclusive to Origin, then that pill would be easier to swallow, but instead they alienate only Steam.
 
plc268 said:
Once again, it's the way they're launching Origin. No one complains about WoW, Diablo, and Starcraft not being on steam because it's exclusive to battle.net. If BF3 was exclusive to Origin, then that pill would be easier to swallow, but instead they alienate only Steam.

oh my god I know I have said twice now that I agree with that point

I even said it in the post you quoted
 

plc268

Member
BigJiantRobut said:
oh my god I know I have said twice now that I agree with that point

I even said it in the post you quoted

Hah, I didn't even read your entire post. Reading comprehension fail. Sorry.

I read the first paragraph, and in my defense, from that first paragraph it didn't seem like you understood the concept.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Just finished Tiny Bang Story. The best way I could describe it to someone would be that it's a lot like Machinarium, only totally different. There are still puzzles and the art style and world design is very similar, but the wrapper game is a hidden object game rather than a PnC adventure, and the colours are very vibrant and bright and lush unlike the grim style of Machinarium.

I think being a hidden object game sort of inherently limits it; it could never have been an amazing game, almost by design, because you spend so much of your time clicking. But that being said, the puzzles that were there were awesome and I loved the world. Just clicking through to the next screen and seeing whatever goofy stuff they had made up was very cool.

It's maybe 4-5 hours long max (Steam is telling me "3 hours played", but I feel like it's more like 4) so keep that in mind. I got it for $3.40 in the summer sale and it was well worth that price. Solid recommendation :)

Edit:
More people should post post-completion impressions of games in here. Especially for games that don't have their own OPs. I often see people announcing that they've purchased stuff, announcing that 5 minutes in the games seem good/ok/terrible, and recommending stuff to people when people ask questions, but I almost never see actual meaty gameplay impressions.

Feel free to post your screenshots in here too. Obviously if you're going at full resolution, link 'em or downscale 'em, but regardless I'd love to see more pretty pictures.

Would help break up the tedium of the daily sale anticipation/reaction cycle, post your total steam collection value, how many games do you have now, hey guys I'm new what should I get, DRM pissing matches, etc.

So far I've finished Bit.Trip Runner, Dead Space 2, Tiny Bang Story, and Hamilton's Great Adventure since the sale started. I also played through PB Winterbottom since I felt like replaying and I already had 200/200 on the XBLA version.
 

Mimir

Member
BigJiantRobut said:
If I remember correctly, though, there was Direct2Drive, and FileFront and FilePlanet hosted several DD games at the time. Granted, not as all-encompassing as Steam is today, but I swear people seem to forget how limited and kind of shit Steam was at launch. It was the only way to play Valve games and Vampire, but that was it. EA's moves with this game are kind of shitty, but at the same time, a lot of the language people are using seem to suggest that they don't think EA should be allowed to launch a DD platform.
There was also Stardock Central, which was Impulse's predecessor.
 
Mimir said:
There was also Stardock Central, which was Impulse's predecessor.

Oh yeah, I remember that. A lot of publishers hosted simple .exe installers on their own sites, too, for digital distribution. I think I bought the original ARMA that way.
 

1-D_FTW

Member
BigJiantRobut said:
And yet that's what Valve did with Steam in the first place. Do people think that Steam just popped up out of nowhere?

And has been explained 1.5 billion times, Valve never would have done this had the PC landscape not been a barren suckfest. Everybody abandoned the platform for dead. There was no DD. They did it because they wanted DD and nobody else cared enough about the PC to develop a viable platform for this. It was either develop Steam or Valve going console-centric like all the other old PC developers. It was a move the big publishers forced onto Valve by abandoning PC.
 
1-D_FTW said:
And has been explained 1.5 billion times, Valve never would have done this had the PC landscape not been a barren suckfest. Everybody abandoned the platform for dead. There was no DD. They did it because they wanted DD and nobody else cared enough about the PC to develop a viable platform for this. It was either develop Steam or Valve going console-centric like all the other old PC developers. It was a move the big publishers forced onto Valve by abandoning PC.

nope nope
 

kuYuri

Member
SalsaShark said:
its not a good thing, i cant buy retail, i dont live in the US

hell i cant even buy from Origin cause its region restricted.

people need to stop looking at their own situation as if it was the same as everyone elses.

I'm saying it's a good thing I prefer to buy retail games, not saying it's good for everyone else.
 
By and large publishers stance on used game sales/Gamestop is that they're fucking the industry in the ass, so EA's solution is to continue to feed this beast?
 

Mrbob

Member
Stump this thread sometimes moves so fast that you can make a big post and it is already a page behind. What about having a dedicated review/impressions thread for games purchased on Steam?
 

StuBurns

Banned
Stumpokapow said:
Edit:
More people should post post-completion impressions of games in here. Especially for games that don't have their own OPs. I often see people announcing that they've purchased stuff, announcing that 5 minutes in the games seem good/ok/terrible, and recommending stuff to people when people ask questions, but I almost never see actual meaty gameplay impressions.
Why doesn't the gaming side have a "Games you've played lately" thread like the OT does for films? Some games don't warrant an OT, most certainly don't warrant a LTTP thread. We have the whatyabeenplaying thing on the weekends, but it's not usually impressions, it's what people want from games they're about to play.

EDIT: Even better most OTs are a vipers nest of fans, you can't usually have any conversation about the negatives of a decent game till about six months later.
 

Salsa

Member
Strider2K99 said:
I'm saying it's a good thing I prefer to buy retail games, not saying it's good for everyone else.

yeah i know, totally saw a coma where there wasnt, lol. I edited, fuckin mornings
 

nexen

Member
Stumpokapow said:
Just finished Tiny Bang Story. The best way I could describe it to someone would be that it's a lot like Machinarium, only totally different. There are still puzzles and the art style and world design is very similar, but the wrapper game is a hidden object game rather than a PnC adventure, and the colours are very vibrant and bright and lush unlike the grim style of Machinarium.

I think being a hidden object game sort of inherently limits it; it could never have been an amazing game, almost by design, because you spend so much of your time clicking. But that being said, the puzzles that were there were awesome and I loved the world. Just clicking through to the next screen and seeing whatever goofy stuff they had made up was very cool.

It's maybe 4-5 hours long max (Steam is telling me "3 hours played", but I feel like it's more like 4) so keep that in mind. I got it for $3.40 in the summer sale and it was well worth that price. Solid recommendation :)
I just finished this game as well. Aside from the pipe puzzle I really enjoyed it. It has a dreamlike quality that makes it fun just to experience. For $3.40 I definitely got my money's worth.
I wish they had implemented the jigsaw puzzle mechanics better though. That is my primary gripe. Braid did it much better.

Here is where I pimp Eschalon again:

I've not finished it but I'm 15 hours or so in. If you liked any of the old Ultima games you owe it to yourself to try this game. First few levels can be very difficult if you go melee but stick with it - it is worth it. It has a decently sized world, lots of fun combat, plot is ok, but the sense of exploration and discovery is excellent. There is a very small demo so you realy don't have an excuse.
 

1-D_FTW

Member
BigJiantRobut said:

That's not a platform. That's buying a digital CD and not addressing any of the issues that plagued PC at the time. Steam is a platform. It's the the thing that pulled PC gaming out of the ghetto. Sorry you can't appreciate how much better PC gaming is in 2011 because of this. Or why people are upset that, because it's now been pulled out of the ghetto and made more profitable, EA wants to force people onto a system modeled after 2007. We're in 2011 now. Standards have been raised. And if EA wants prices raised to 60 bucks, they should at least start aiming for the second floor.
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Stumpokapow said:
Edit:
More people should post post-completion impressions of games in here. Especially for games that don't have their own OPs. I often see people announcing that they've purchased stuff, announcing that 5 minutes in the games seem good/ok/terrible, and recommending stuff to people when people ask questions, but I almost never see actual meaty gameplay impressions.

Feel free to post your screenshots in here too. Obviously if you're going at full resolution, link 'em or downscale 'em, but regardless I'd love to see more pretty pictures.

Would help break up the tedium of the daily sale anticipation/reaction cycle, post your total steam collection value, how many games do you have now, hey guys I'm new what should I get, DRM pissing matches, etc.

So far I've finished Bit.Trip Runner, Dead Space 2, Tiny Bang Story, and Hamilton's Great Adventure since the sale started. I also played through PB Winterbottom since I felt like replaying and I already had 200/200 on the XBLA version.

The user review thread really should be sticky up topped with someone who will update it(We are about 2-3 pages behind I believe)

Of course, not all of us are quality writers and proceeded to give up on even trying. Heh.
 
1-D_FTW said:
That's not a platform. That's buying a digital CD and not addressing any of the issues that plagued PC at the time. Steam is a platform. It's the the thing that pulled PC gaming out of the ghetto. Sorry you can't appreciate how much better PC gaming is in 2011 because of this. Or why people are upset that, because it's now been pulled out of the ghetto and made more profitable, EA wants to force people onto a system modeled after 2007. We're in 2011 now. Standards have been raised. And if EA wants prices raised to 60 bucks, they should at least start aiming for the second floor.

Haha holy shit, nice conclusion jumping here buddy.
 

Interfectum

Member
Bottom line: I'm not saying I will not be purchasing Battlefield 3 because it's not on Steam. All I'm saying is, as a consumer I'm agitated by this move. And while I would've normally bought it day one on Steam, I will now have to decide if its worth it for me to go elsewhere to make a purchase. Some games are worth it (SC2, D3, etc), some aren't.

Basically, this move kills my impulse buy for BF3.
 
1-D_FTW said:
And has been explained 1.5 billion times, Valve never would have done this had the PC landscape not been a barren suckfest. Everybody abandoned the platform for dead. There was no DD. They did it because they wanted DD and nobody else cared enough about the PC to develop a viable platform for this. It was either develop Steam or Valve going console-centric like all the other old PC developers. It was a move the big publishers forced onto Valve by abandoning PC.


Why do you think PC was a barren suck fest? I don't remember it being that way. Valve made Steam to capitalize on a business venture no one else was really willing to try, to make themselves lots of money. They didn't do it to save the platform. If it was so dead, they would not have released HL2 on PC first and definitively.

They also wouldn't have even bothered with Steam if that was the case. If you couldn't find a game locally at a store, there were plenty of sites to order from. Publishers/Developers were also selling games directly from their sites. Most PC shops also carried a bunch of games as well.

Was every FPS exclusive to the platform? No, but there was still plenty of exclusive stuff coming out and ports between platforms were more common.

Not sure which universe people were in where the PC platform was as bad as you and others seem to suggest.
 

wolfmat

Confirmed Asshole
Horsemama1956 said:
Why do you think PC was a barren suck fest? I don't remember it being that way.
Neither do I. At the time, I was an exclusive PC gamer, and bought more games than I could afford. At retail, obviously.
 

Interfectum

Member
Horsemama1956 said:
Why do you think PC was a barren suck fest? I don't remember it being that way. Valve made Steam to capitalize on a business venture no one else was really willing to try, to make themselves lots of money. They didn't do it to save the platform. If it was so dead, they would not have released HL2 on PC first and definitively.

They also wouldn't have even bothered with Steam if that was the case. If you couldn't find a game locally at a store, there were plenty of sites to order from. Publishers/Developers were also selling games directly from their sites. Most PC shops also carried a bunch of games as well.

Was every FPS exclusive to the platform? No, but there was still plenty of exclusive stuff coming out and ports between platforms were more common.

Not sure which universe people were in where the PC platform was as bad as you and others seem to suggest.

The point is Valve took an industry that was confusing for the average Joe and make it very accessible and relatively painless (after a few bad initial hiccups). There are many, many PC gamers now that probably wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Steam. Auto updates, universal friends list and a single payment gate makes PC gaming so much more appealing than the alternate universe in which Steam never existed.
 

1-D_FTW

Member
Horsemama1956 said:
Why do you think PC was a barren suck fest? I don't remember it being that way. Valve made Steam to capitalize on a business venture no one else was really willing to try, to make themselves lots of money. They didn't do it to save the platform. If it was so dead, they would not have released HL2 on PC first and definitively.

They also wouldn't have even bothered with Steam if that was the case. If you couldn't find a game locally at a store, there were plenty of sites to order from. Publishers/Developers were also selling games directly from their sites. Most PC shops also carried a bunch of games as well.

Was every FPS exclusive to the platform? No, but there was still plenty of exclusive stuff coming out and ports between platforms were more common.

Not sure which universe people were in where the PC platform was as bad as you and others seem to suggest.

The suckfest was with regard to publishing deals and digital distribution. Sure there was Direct2Drive and the likes, but I'll stick to my hyperbole that D2D = barren suckfest.

BigJiantRobut said:
Haha holy shit, nice conclusion jumping here buddy.

Jumping to conclusions? How is that jumping to conclusions? PC was my primary platform then and it's my primary platform now. There's no jumping. PC gaming to me is in a vastly superior state in 2011 vs 2007. And if you forced me to give you one reason why, the answer would be pretty easy.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
StuBurns said:
Why doesn't the gaming side have a "Games you've played lately" thread like the OT does for films? Some games don't warrant an OT, most certainly don't warrant a LTTP thread. We have the whatyabeenplaying thing on the weekends, but it's not usually impressions, it's what people want from games they're about to play.

To be completely frank, and this is the only time I'm going to be this negative about anything on GAF, I think it's because the average quality of posting in gaming threads as a whole is often low.

Many threads that ask a question is answered mostly by single-word or single-image replies. There's epidemic use of "this", "qft", "/thread", and other non-discussion replies. When someone expresses a detailed and well-justified negative opinion of a game, people jump on them, often with "haters gonna hate" or facepalm images. In some question threads, the question itself is terrible. OPs often fail to answer their own questions or set tones for threads. People make duplicate threads about absolutely discussion free subjects (Is this month the best/worst month for games ever?)--or worse, absurdly specific banal topics like "Name games where the second last boss is harder than the last boss and you don't like the games but you think the soundtracks are overrated" without ever bothering to specify why that particular classification of game is interesting or worth listing out. I try my best to point these things out and be a counter-example to these negative behaviours in most of the threads I reply to.

Some people replying to most threads are just doing so to read their own words--they have no genuine interest in learning from others, sharing with others, or really having a conversation. Few people spend even 2-3 minutes putting together a post that provides something useful to others when they are replying to threads.

No one signs up to GAF for the average poster. They sign up for the best posters. People with interesting stories, who share detailed impressions, who have knowledge others don't about the subject they're talking about, who use technology to their advantage. I really do believe GAF is the best outlet for gaming on the internet because of a combination of how good the best posters are and how fast the news and information comes, but it would not be inaccurate to say that there are posters here who are as bad--or worse, as boring--as most of the posters on most forums everywhere.

Just today, I interacted with a poster who basically openly expressed that he doesn't give a shit what anyone else plays or thinks and thinks anyone who misses out on a game doesn't deserve to play it. I don't understand why you would participate in a message board if you don't want to share with others and learn things yourself.

I can't speak to why many comparable threads in the OT side end up with more effort or more engagement. Maybe people feel as though they have more in common with the other posters in the sub-communities in OT and so connect better personally and are encouraged to contribute more personally or more thoughtfully? I don't know. Threads in gaming that are specific to a genre or a topic tend to attract betters posters because they're a little more specialized, I guess. That's a pretty crappy hypothesis on my part. I don't pretend to have an answer as to why. I will say that I feel like there's more back and forth in the "What are you going to see in theatre this month?" threads than the "What are you playing right now?" threads.

So I guess my advice would be that people should make an effort, and if they can't make an effort, there's no problem with reading GAF and not posting. I'd rather every thread get half as many replies if the average reply was twice as thoughtful. I also think that the best way to choose moderators is to choose good posters, because the impact of a good poster setting the tone of a thread by making high-effort posts vastly exceeds the impact of someone banning a half-dozen people.

As was mentioned in the GAF fireside chat thread by Amir0x, moderators do nominate candidates to become moderators. I know the reason why Minsc and EatChildren in specific were nominated is because they largely make thoughtful, helpful posts.

None of what I'm saying here precludes continuing to have discussions about DRM, daily sales, what you're buying, etc. All of those topics are good. I did mention the impression thing to begin with because I thought it'd be a breath of fresh air, but this post is not related to that. There's more engagement in the Steam thread than a lot of others, and I'm not hating on anyone in here. Again, this post is more general.

I don't mean to derail this into a state-of-GAF post (if you have any questions, comments, compliments, or flames on moderation or anything like that, please PM instead of posting here--ditto for lengthy musings about GAF at large), so to circle back to the actual thread at hand, whether impressions go in the Steam thread or elsewhere, I'd love to hear more impressions from the other people in PC-GAF, especially on some of the smaller, unknown games they play. The GOG thread does a pretty good job of having input on most titles, big and little, being put on the service and I feel like there's a niche to be filled here as well. :)
 

dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
PaulLFC said:
*sigh* here we go again. There are many reasons for people wanting games on Steam, they've been outlined countless times. Let's not start the "omg people who don't want to buy it cos its not on Steam are stupid lol" posts again.


I kind of see it similiar to channels and studios starting their own streaming sites/apps instead of going to NetFlix. I don't think it is an "evil" decision or anything, only a business decision. I was dubious of HBO GO originally, but now that I use it, I see how having a online presence with only your content can be an advantage. You get total control of how your content is presented, no competition on that platform, etc.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out in the long run. For me, I don't mind it if only EA does it as it is only EA and then Steam, but I would have for there to end up being 5 or 6 different clients from publishers. That would be insane.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Edit:
More people should post post-completion impressions of games in here.
This isn't post-completion, but 40 hours in, I stopped playing Mount & Blade: Warband, and it is heavily flawed but I am scared to start it up again lest I don't stop. The combat is amazing, the army management is amazing, and some of the politics are amazing.

All I can advise: if you're playing the new version (Warband), don't play as a woman your first time and don't pick a merchant background. There's a reason that half the achievements require you to be a female character and it even warns you when you choose to be female: it's difficult because everyone treats you as they realistically might in the year 1000. Also merchant backgrounds start with high Trade and extra money but later in the game, that is so completely unhelpful.

In fact, you may want to look up preferred backgrounds and preferred skills, just because of how party and leader skills work, and because some are kind of useless.

1-D_FTW said:
And has been explained 1.5 billion times, Valve never would have done this had the PC landscape not been a barren suckfest. Everybody abandoned the platform for dead. There was no DD. They did it because they wanted DD and nobody else cared enough about the PC to develop a viable platform for this. It was either develop Steam or Valve going console-centric like all the other old PC developers. It was a move the big publishers forced onto Valve by abandoning PC.
1-D_FTW said:
That's not a platform. That's buying a digital CD and not addressing any of the issues that plagued PC at the time. Steam is a platform. It's the the thing that pulled PC gaming out of the ghetto. Sorry you can't appreciate how much better PC gaming is in 2011 because of this. Or why people are upset that, because it's now been pulled out of the ghetto and made more profitable, EA wants to force people onto a system modeled after 2007. We're in 2011 now. Standards have been raised. And if EA wants prices raised to 60 bucks, they should at least start aiming for the second floor.
Valve saved us. Convert to Steam.
 

StuBurns

Banned
Stumpokapow said:
To be completely frank, and this is the only time I'm going to be this negative about anything on GAF, I think it's because the average quality of posting in gaming threads as a whole is often low.
Certainly some excellent points, thanks for the reply.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Schmattakopf said:
All I can advise: if you're playing the new version (Warband), don't play as a woman your first time and don't pick a merchant background. There's a reason that half the achievements require you to be a female character and it even warns you when you choose to be female: it's difficult because everyone treats you as they realistically might in the year 1000.

That's really cool, especially if it's integrated at a really deep level. I've seen minor textual racism (speciesism?) in Morrowind, but beyond that I can't think of very many games where gender decision is meaningful beyond relationships/sex and maybe the odd bit of meaningless dialogue.

If I remember correctly, the main devs behind Mount & Blade are a husband and wife team, too, so it could be cool if the female perspective was really well represented in the development process.
 
Interfectum said:
The point is Valve took an industry that was confusing for the average Joe and make it very accessible and relatively painless (after a few bad initial hiccups). There are many, many PC gamers now that probably wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Steam. Auto updates, universal friends list and a single payment gate makes PC gaming so much more appealing than the alternate universe in which Steam never existed.


Eh, no arguing it's all easier. Games had auto patching/in-game notification though and people didn't seem to mind communicating via ICQ/MSN/AOL. I don't think Steam impacted the type of people that would game on a PC all that much.
 
Lasthope106 said:
Well, do you?

Nah, dude, I hate Steam, I just have 156 games on it for no reason, an avatar from Steam's official art because I'm a masochist, and I gifted a bunch of games to people on GAF this sale for shits and giggles.

ffs, apparently if I even bring up any doubts about Steam I don't "appreciate" it. You guys are a class act, I gotta say.
 

Gvaz

Banned
Stumpokapow said:
To be completely frank, and this is the only time I'm going to be this negative about anything on GAF, I think it's because the average quality of posting in gaming threads as a whole is often low.

I pretty much agree with everything said here. Though, to myself, sometimes a post is only worth a facepalm reply or whatever because of how terrible that statement is. That's what I like about neogaf at times, but it's also its own crux.

Anyways that's all I wanted to say on that :O
 

1-D_FTW

Member
Stumpokapow said:
Just finished Tiny Bang Story. The best way I could describe it to someone would be that it's a lot like Machinarium, only totally different. There are still puzzles and the art style and world design is very similar, but the wrapper game is a hidden object game rather than a PnC adventure, and the colours are very vibrant and bright and lush unlike the grim style of Machinarium.

I think being a hidden object game sort of inherently limits it; it could never have been an amazing game, almost by design, because you spend so much of your time clicking. But that being said, the puzzles that were there were awesome and I loved the world. Just clicking through to the next screen and seeing whatever goofy stuff they had made up was very cool.

It's maybe 4-5 hours long max (Steam is telling me "3 hours played", but I feel like it's more like 4) so keep that in mind. I got it for $3.40 in the summer sale and it was well worth that price. Solid recommendation :)

Edit:
More people should post post-completion impressions of games in here. Especially for games that don't have their own OPs. I often see people announcing that they've purchased stuff, announcing that 5 minutes in the games seem good/ok/terrible, and recommending stuff to people when people ask questions, but I almost never see actual meaty gameplay impressions.

Feel free to post your screenshots in here too. Obviously if you're going at full resolution, link 'em or downscale 'em, but regardless I'd love to see more pretty pictures.

Would help break up the tedium of the daily sale anticipation/reaction cycle, post your total steam collection value, how many games do you have now, hey guys I'm new what should I get, DRM pissing matches, etc.

So far I've finished Bit.Trip Runner, Dead Space 2, Tiny Bang Story, and Hamilton's Great Adventure since the sale started. I also played through PB Winterbottom since I felt like replaying and I already had 200/200 on the XBLA version.

Not as detailed as what you're asking for, but this is why I love this thread. Nothing like coming in and getting some meaty impressions on a game that's just gone on sale (but been out a while). I've been turned onto some games I would have never purchased and loved otherwise.
 
BigJiantRobut said:
Nah, dude, I hate Steam, I just have 156 games on it for no reason, an avatar from Steam's official art because I'm a masochist, and I gifted a bunch of games to people on GAF this sale for shits and giggles.

ffs, apparently if I even bring up any doubts about Steam I don't "appreciate" it. You guys are a class act, I gotta say.

No, its not bringing up doubts about Steam but the topic with Origin vs Steam which has been done to death in other threads. I apologize if I jumped on you, I am just tired of the same points being brought up regarding that topic. I have doubts about Valve myself, especially in regards to their craptastic customer service. They're the best in the business when it comes to DD IMO (although GoG is right up there) but by no means are they perfect.
 

Salsa

Member
Stumpokapow said:

You know i agree, and i often try to bring something to the discussion, but at the same time i sometimes find myself being part of the problem, like i get carried away or something. I try to leave that to the OT though, for some reason.

Its weird. I think it has to do with the fact that if you do make a thoughtful post, you're only gonna have a real sub-discussion with people who are also thinking before posting, and many times that number is low or nonexistent, so many people dont even bother. Its like a vicious circle.
 

Derrick01

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Interfectum said:
The point is Valve took an industry that was confusing for the average Joe and make it very accessible and relatively painless (after a few bad initial hiccups). There are many, many PC gamers now that probably wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Steam. Auto updates, universal friends list and a single payment gate makes PC gaming so much more appealing than the alternate universe in which Steam never existed.

I am one of those people, and I'm ok with admitting that. I had dabbled in pc gaming before when my laptop wasn't considered a piece of garbage but I ran into so many problems patching games, getting them to run...the usual problems for back in the day I guess.

In regards to the BF3 situation (not sure why this was brought up again), them taking it off steam did result in me saying "no buy" on pc. I'm still buying the 360 version because of friends but I was going to double dip. I have a pretty strict steam only policy that I rarely break, but I'll use other services for steamworks titles if they have nice deals. I'm not necessarily going to say it's logical only that I'm excercising my right to choose.
 

1-D_FTW

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SalsaShark said:
You know i agree, and i often try to bring something to the discussion, but at the same time i sometimes find myself being part of the problem, like i get carried away or something.

Its weird. I think it has to do with the fact that if you do make a thoughtful post, you're only gonna have a real sub-discussion with people who are also thinking before posting, and many times that number is low or nonexistent, so many people dont even bother. Its like a vicious circle.

It's also kind of disheartening when you write out a couple paragraphs about why a game on sale is cool, and on the very next page, people are asking if there are any impressions people could give. The more jaded of us give up.

You just have to accept impressions are going to be to a select few who actually read posts in the threads they post in. Take satisfaction in the small things.
 
Derrick01 said:
I am one of those people, and I'm ok with admitting that. I had dabbled in pc gaming before when my laptop wasn't considered a piece of garbage but I ran into so many problems patching games, getting them to run...the usual problems for back in the day I guess.

In regards to the BF3 situation (not sure why this was brought up again), them taking it off steam did result in me saying "no buy" on pc. I'm still buying the 360 version because of friends but I was going to double dip. I have a pretty strict steam only policy that I rarely break, but I'll use other services for steamworks titles if they have nice deals. I'm not necessarily going to say it's logical only that I'm excercising my right to choose.

Agreed. I'd say its logical but perhaps not consistent. The only reason I bought BF3 on Origin was the price and being able to register Steam games on the service. I will say that GoG is getting a lot of love from me lately due to the sales. Well that and not to many more games that I want on Steam.
 

Rufus

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SalsaShark said:
Its weird. I think it has to do with the fact that if you do make a thoughtful post, you're only gonna have a real sub-discussion with people who are also thinking before posting, and many times that number is low or nonexistent, so many people dont even bother. Its like a vicious circle.
Threads just move too fast sometimes. The one word posts compound the problem, for sure, but I can't help but feel that the sheer amount of users is a big part of the issue.
I often find myself typing out a longer post, only to realize that whatever I say is going to be drowned out anyway so why bother? In that sense, I'm part of the problem as well, I guess.
 

Twinduct

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Stumpokapow said:
That's really cool, especially if it's integrated at a really deep level. I've seen minor textual racism (speciesism?) in Morrowind, but beyond that I can't think of very many games where gender decision is meaningful beyond relationships/sex and maybe the odd bit of meaningless dialogue.

If I remember correctly, the main devs behind Mount & Blade are a husband and wife team, too, so it could be cool if the female perspective was really well represented in the development process.

Yeah was a husband and wife team. Hell I think I spoke to one of them through e-mail when I first bought the game (when it was still self-published). I had a strange bug in the game where a certain armor class (in the Def range of 30-34) the texture would completely go invisible. I asked on the forum but after about two weeks of zero response, I e-mailed and got a reply quite quickly.

But back to your topic, very few games do actually have any effect on the gender. I can think of fallout 2, but at best, in those games gender just really changed the way certain characters would talk to you, or enable different game play mechanics.

Didn't Peter Moly state, when he revealed Fable 2, that when playing as a female hero you can become pregnant and not go on quests?
 

nexen

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I want to second the recommendation for Mount & Blade: Warband.

Ugly as sin, but it is as deep as the ocean and the combat is enjoyable, if unrealistic. (I've seriously held off giant sieges of my castle by my lonesome.) It is also completely addictive.

If you are into retro games it has a lot in common with Sword of the Samurai, which is a beyond-excellent Medieval Japan based politics/strategy/action game.

edit: Female = +1 CHR, -1 STR

Twinduct said:
Didn't Peter Moly state, when he revealed Fable 2, that when playing as a female hero you can become pregnant and not go on quests?
I played a female and had kids, yeah. But then I found that gender potion and changed to a man. My husband didn't seem to mind at all.
 
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