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STEAM- Announcements & Updates 2011 Edition |OT2|

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Stumpokapow said:
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More people should post post-completion impressions of games in here. Especially for games that don't have their own OPs. I often see people announcing that they've purchased stuff, announcing that 5 minutes in the games seem good/ok/terrible, and recommending stuff to people when people ask questions, but I almost never see actual meaty gameplay impressions.

Feel free to post your screenshots in here too. Obviously if you're going at full resolution, link 'em or downscale 'em, but regardless I'd love to see more pretty pictures.

I hope I'm not taking my life into my own hands here, but I'd really rather this didn't happen. Wouldn't another thread for that sort of thing be better? This is one of a few threads I have perpetually open, and is generally full of some pretty good information. I'd really hate to see it get cluttered up with a bunch of peoples impressions and screenshots. Like that Summer Sale thread was a really good thread with good information (kudos Salsa) that had way way way too many people posting in it. I really don't want to see that happen on a regular basis with this thread.

That said, the amount of impressions I generally see in this thread currently is fine.
 

Twinduct

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nexen said:
I want to second the recommendation for Mount & Blade: Warband.

Ugly as sin, but it is as deep as the ocean and the combat is enjoyable, if unrealistic. (I've seriously held off giant sieges of my castle by my lonesome.) It is also completely addictive.

If you are into retro games it has a lot in common with Sword of the Samurai, which is a beyond-excellent Medieval Japan based politics/strategy/action game.

edit: Female = +1 CHR, -1 STR


I played a female and had kids, yeah. But then I found that gender potion and changed to a man. My husband didn't seem to mind at all.

Was there like a 'pregnancy phase'? Only played a male character and also got kids. But If I remeber correctly, the kid's bed just kinda popped up Sims style. So nvm my question then.

But was there any real difference between playing with a female? I imagine some interactions being different, but the core game stayed the same right?

p.s. Can also recommend Mount & Blade. Not sure if the steam version supports mods, but the original M&B was a haven for mods. There was this large LOTR mod which completely changed the game to a LOTR theme (without the ents though). It also introduced a magic system (might be a different mod? this was a good 4 years ago) so you can completely unbalance any battle. The amount of orcs I killed, good lord.

There was also an unofficial, battle size changer. Back then, the game's max was 250 units in total in one battle, could pump it up to 1000 without having any major fps drops. Of course the battles became chaotic, having 400 knights charging down on you is something different.
 

Derrick01

Banned
LovingSteam said:
Agreed. I'd say its logical but perhaps not consistent. The only reason I bought BF3 on Origin was the price and being able to register Steam games on the service. I will say that GoG is getting a lot of love from me lately due to the sales. Well that and not to many more games that I want on Steam.

I need to open up a GoG account sometime soon, it feels like they get as much good hype as Steam does. I'll gladly support another company who gets it in regards to treating customers well, but they're also different from Steam so it's not really fragmenting and having multiple accounts for similar services.
 

nexen

Member
Twinduct said:
Was there like a 'pregnancy phase'? Only played a male character and also got kids. But If I remeber correctly, the kid's bed just kinda popped up Sims style. So nvm my question then.

But was there any real difference between playing with a female? I imagine some interactions being different, but the core game stayed the same right?
Kids just magically appear. As far as I can tell gameplay experience is absolutely identical for female and male characters. Especially since homosexuality in that game is pretty rampant.
 

Volcynika

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Refreshment.01 said:
Why i can't see Dirt 3 available on Steam?

Another question: Where do you see the gifts? In the Passes and gift options under the games menu?

Maybe it's not available in your region?
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
PedroLumpy said:
I hope I'm not taking my life into my own hands here,

Absolutely not. I generally make it very clear when I'm conveying a rule versus when I'm just speaking my mind. I think I may have erred in using the red highlight tag rather than just a bold tag to indicate my suggestion. Sorry if I in any way conveyed anything other than me offering a suggestion :)

I'd really hate to see it get cluttered up with a bunch of peoples impressions and screenshots. Like that Summer Sale thread was a really good thread with good information (kudos Salsa) that had way way way too many people posting in it. I really don't want to see that happen on a regular basis with this thread.

I think it's definitely possible that a thread could get too cluttered, but I just don't feel like we're there yet. I see your point. One of the reasons why this thread would be better than a separate thread in my opinion is that there's a relatively small, stable, but generally welcoming community here and I feel confident that if the people who are already here did post impressions, they'd generally be high quality impressions--versus if you just start a new thread, it might end up being reduced to the "Post what you're playing" thread which generally tends to be pretty vapid, with lots of random hit-and-run one line posters.

I think I'll just keep posting my impressions as I play through games in here, and if other people read them and find them useful, that's great. If they feel like contributing their own, that's great too. If people don't like them, I hope I don't derail the thread or wreck a good discussion. If you want to put me on ignore, unfortunately that's not possible because you can't ignore moderators, but sorry!
 

StuBurns

Banned
Stumpokapow said:
I think it's definitely possible that a thread could get too cluttered, but I just don't feel like we're there yet. I see your point. One of the reasons why this thread would be better than a separate thread in my opinion is that there's a relatively small, stable, but generally welcoming community here and I feel confident that if the people who are already here did post impressions, they'd generally be high quality impressions--versus if you just start a new thread, it might end up being reduced to the "Post what you're playing" thread which generally tends to be pretty vapid, with lots of random hit-and-run one line posters.

I think I'll just keep posting my impressions as I play through games in here, and if other people read them and find them useful, that's great. If they feel like contributing their own, that's great too. If people don't like them, I hope I don't derail the thread or wreck a good discussion. If you want to put me on ignore, unfortunately that's not possible because you can't ignore moderators, but sorry!
Well there could just be a 'games you've played lately on PC' thread. That way it could involve PC games not on Steam without people clashing over Origin bullshit.
 
I know there is the PC thread but I figured I'd ask here first. Are there any significant CPU/GPU parts on the near horizon between the $250-300 range over what is currently offered for that range?
 

Twinduct

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SalsaShark said:

Reading some reviews, it seems to be pretty bland
http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/trappeddead/1376/review.html

" Sometimes your controls just won't be obeyed or there's too much of a delay between clicking and doing, which could leave your character in danger if he or she's wielding a melee weapon, At other times, it just makes the experience a more annoying one than it has to be.

Control issues aside, of far more concern is the life-sapping dullness of the main combat
"

" Unlike Men of War (note:review expressed similarity to men of war at the start), it doesn't have the depth to sustain your interest for very long. Trapped Dead is a good idea unsatisfactorily executed "

Gonna leave this one, the opening line ' commandos' drew me in, the MC score 55 and the review from a website that generally falls in love with any 'strat' games is pulling me away

edit: gah didn't see the OT, oh well
 

RealMeat

Banned
nexen said:
I want to second the recommendation for Mount & Blade: Warband.

Ugly as sin, but it is as deep as the ocean and the combat is enjoyable, if unrealistic. (I've seriously held off giant sieges of my castle by my lonesome.) It is also completely addictive.

If you are into retro games it has a lot in common with Sword of the Samurai, which is a beyond-excellent Medieval Japan based politics/strategy/action game.
For anyone getting Mount & Blade (OG or Warband), I highly recommend the Polished Landscapes mod. It's a night and day difference in how good the game looks. Just a warning, for me at least my save didn't work with the mod, so if you're going to get it you should before you put in a ton of time.
I've surprised myself with how addicted I am to Warband. I have a ton of games to play, and I just keep going back to it.
 
Stumpokapow said:
That's really cool, especially if it's integrated at a really deep level. I've seen minor textual racism (speciesism?) in Morrowind, but beyond that I can't think of very many games where gender decision is meaningful beyond relationships/sex and maybe the odd bit of meaningless dialogue.

If I remember correctly, the main devs behind Mount & Blade are a husband and wife team, too, so it could be cool if the female perspective was really well represented in the development process.
There are quite a few realistic things in the game, but to me, it's a question of how much they're choosing realism over gameplay. Some of the realistic things are just options, like combat can be toned way down, and you can choose to be male (although they really ought to warn you more than they do for choosing female). But there are other things that I just don't know about, like the realistic view of towns and villages, and night time in general.

They pointlessly made up a realistic view of each town and village, which you have to go through to find quest givers (and that's it), even though everything else except combat is available through a concise 2D menu when you interact with something on the map. And at night, you move slower and your line of sight is reduced, but for everyone equally, and only on the map (not in combat). Then the town arenas are closed until morning, but nothing else is closed, including if a tournament is taking place (and those take place in the arena in broad daylight). And then past midnight, the map is literally too dark for me to see properly, and it was pitch black before I turned up the brightness.
 

Twinduct

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SalsaShark said:
I think its nice to have an isometric zombie game that isnt a twin-stick shooter. A strategy zombie game sounds great, and project Zomboid is far away. Think im gonna give it a chance once i run into some money.

Might wait on more impressions, but honestly I only see myself picking this up on a large sale.

Project zomboid fills that need for me currently (or atleast the paid alpha does).
 
I know it's probably not the type of game that would be discussed very much here but I am sort of in love with Faerie Solitaire.

It's become my go to game when I just want to spend ten or so minutes on something.
 

Twinduct

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Schmattakopf said:
There are quite a few realistic things in the game, but to me, it's a question of how much they're choosing realism over gameplay. Some of the realistic things are just options, like combat can be toned way down, and you can choose to be male (although they really ought to warn you more than they do for choosing female). But there are other things that I just don't know about, like the realistic view of towns and villages, and night time in general.

They pointlessly made up a realistic view of each town and village, which you have to go through to find quest givers (and that's it), even though everything else except combat is available through a concise 2D menu when you interact with something on the map. And at night, you move slower and your line of sight is reduced, but for everyone equally, and only on the map (not in combat). Then the town arenas are closed until morning, but nothing else is closed, including if a tournament is taking place (and those take place in the arena in broad daylight). And then past midnight, the map is literally too dark for me to see properly, and it was pitch black before I turned up the brightness.

I think the town element was brought in for two reasons.

One was mostly requests from fans, the forums was constantly spammed with requests to 'walk' in villages. Then again you need to consider that at the time, the only places you could 'walk' through (outside the battles and the 2d world view) was inside two variants of keeps with zero human traffic or npcs. Hell you could walk in the keep, but not enter any building, you had to tab out. So once they created more of these 'walkable' areas, the second request came, which was include npcs. long story short, I think the mechanic was introduced as a fan feature and they kinda 'had' to use it now (alot of work into it).

Secondly, they introduced quests where you have to 'find' people in different villages. thieves and etc. So they had some npc that was hiding behind a barn because he stole the kings silver mustache handle and you have to walk across two regions to get to the guy and have one voice clip of 'Imma break yo legs' play.

Agree on the nighttime mode, completely slows the game for me for very little reason
 

Archie

Second-rate Anihawk
Dunno where else to post this, but Valve is hosting a Dota 2 tournament next month at Gamescon (which was already known, but I thought the scanned invitation was kinda cool).

hxthU.jpg
 

NaM

Does not have twelve inches...
Refreshment.01 said:
Finally! :D

Thanks for the answer. Nam very useful link, no way to play online if im not in the list? Since i could buy the game at retail.
Yes you can play online even if you are not in a supported country.
 
Derrick01 said:
I need to open up a GoG account sometime soon, it feels like they get as much good hype as Steam does. I'll gladly support another company who gets it in regards to treating customers well, but they're also different from Steam so it's not really fragmenting and having multiple accounts for similar services.

I just opened one up and having another service with such a different selection of games is very satisfying
 
BTW, I just thought of something TOTALLY off topic. When D2D was sold to GameFly there were no changes to the major policy of the service. No limitations placed on how many times you could download your games, etc. Should be telling for those who fear what would transpire if Valve were ever to sell Steam to a new party. Anyhow, just thought I'd mention that.
 

Zimbardo

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LovingSteam said:
BTW, I just thought of something TOTALLY off topic. When D2D was sold to GameFly there were no changes to the major policy of the service. No limitations placed on how many times you could download your games, etc. Should be telling for those who fear what would transpire if Valve were ever to sell Steam to a new party. Anyhow, just thought I'd mention that.


they did get rid of Manhunt 2, tho ...because they said they wont sell Adults Only games. found that kinda lame.

also, what happened to the D2D 15% referral codes? the link to that part of the D2D service is gone now.

that was a super easy way to get another 15% off of a sale on there ...and because of that, i'd almost always get a Steamworks game off D2D since it was cheaper. without that code, they'll get considerably less business from me anyway.
 
Zimbardo said:
they did get rid of Manhunt 2, tho ...because they said they wont sell Adults Only games. found that kinda lame.

also, what happened to the D2D 15% referral codes? the link to that part of the D2D service is gone now.

that was a super easy way to get another 15% off of a sale on there ...and because of that, i'd almost always get a Steamworks game off D2D since it was cheaper. without that code, they'll get considerably less business from me anyway.

Yes but when it comes to actually having access to your games nothing was done. And if I am not mistaken, Manhunt 2 isn't sold on any of the distributors.
 

VALIS

Member
Anyone else unable/barely able to connect in the last 10 minutes either through the client or the webpage? Getting 503s on both. I can't see any reason why the problem would be on my end since I'm connecting everywhere else just fine. Wanna buy that zombie RTS up there. :(
 
I think I'm going to start Aquaria this weekend, I will post impressions as I jump into it.

Also, would anybody like to get a four player game of Magicka going in the coming days?
 

Echoplx

Member
GreenManGaming does a lot of 20% off codes and usually has cheaper prices to begin with, and with their awesome referral system where you and the person you refer get 5$ credit it's a great way to pick up games cheap. I'm actually using them to buy steamworks games all the time now.
 
Yeah well, some people like me are having problems... probably valve doing... our accounts aren't recognized. Talk about weird. So maybe in the next full moon i'll be able to connect to steam again lol.
 
Twinduct said:
But was there any real difference between playing with a female? I imagine some interactions being different, but the core game stayed the same right?
Mainly, renown is harder to get, and you will not be offered anything. i.e. You have to ask to become a vassal and no one wants you to become one (kind of like when you try to make one of your plebeian companions a lord), and even once you've become a vassal, it's unofficial at first, so you don't get a fief. On the flip side, you can marry a lord and use him politically instead of having to marry a lady, all of whom seem to have submitted to being powerless. Oh and with the new interactions, after a lord says something chauvinistic, you can insult him and taunt him into battle. :D

There are advantages. I just wouldn't try it as a new player.

nexen said:
I want to second the recommendation for Mount & Blade: Warband.

Ugly as sin, but it is as deep as the ocean and the combat is enjoyable, if unrealistic. (I've seriously held off giant sieges of my castle by my lonesome.) It is also completely addictive.
I think the game looks great, and although I've never fought a medieval battle, it feels realistic to me. Apart from being able to fight too many people by yourself later in the game.

Twinduct said:
I think the town element was brought in for two reasons.

One was mostly requests from fans, the forums was constantly spammed with requests to 'walk' in villages. Then again you need to consider that at the time, the only places you could 'walk' through (outside the battles and the 2d world view) was inside two variants of keeps with zero human traffic or npcs. Hell you could walk in the keep, but not enter any building, you had to tab out. So once they created more of these 'walkable' areas, the second request came, which was include npcs. long story short, I think the mechanic was introduced as a fan feature and they kinda 'had' to use it now (alot of work into it).

Secondly, they introduced quests where you have to 'find' people in different villages. thieves and etc. So they had some npc that was hiding behind a barn because he stole the kings silver mustache handle and you have to walk across two regions to get to the guy and have one voice clip of 'Imma break yo legs' play.

Agree on the nighttime mode, completely slows the game for me for very little reason
I mean, those points pretty much support my argument against the walk-in villages and towns. Think of all the time they put into making each unique place just to have us use it to find quest givers and to do those bad quests you mentioned. I would much rather just use the world view (which is 3D, by the way) + 2D menus. Very manageable.

Oh and to add to the contention, while each place is unique in structure setup, they aren't unique-looking at all. I get them all totally confused. I think there's just about one variant look for each kingdom's towns and villages, and there are six kingdoms.
 

Twinduct

Member
VALIS said:
Anyone else unable/barely able to connect in the last 10 minutes either through the client or the webpage? Getting 503s on both. I can't see any reason why the problem would be on my end since I'm connecting everywhere else just fine. Wanna buy that zombie RTS up there. :(

Not getting an error, but it signed me out of the store, trying to sign back in now.
 

Echoplx

Member
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Steam Blog - Valve
Over the years, Steam has delivered a lot of bits to a lot of people. Delivering content is really at the core of Steam, and we have been working on improving that core. As of today, you can download some of the content on Steam using all-new server and client code to get the job done.

The new content system is designed to do two things: deliver better download rates in more places around the world, and also to simply streamline the publishing process on Steam, ultimately making it possible to ship more games than we would have been able to with the old system.

The maximum aggregate bandwidth of the system will be greater than the current system; this will help us satisfy spikes in demand when there’s a big release. We will also be able to send content from more places, to better serve people all around the globe. All the content on the new system is sent via HTTP; this is more firewall-friendly than the current system, and will automatically take advantage of web-caching proxies installed at ISPs.

Another way that the new content system improves the bandwidth picture is by requiring each user to download less data. With the Steam content system that’s been in place for a few years now, if an individual file on disk were modified by a game update, your client had to download the whole file. That can be painful when the file in question is really large. The new system supports delivering only the differences between the old and new files, meaning game updates will be much smaller overall.

These changes have given us an opportunity to write new tools for game developers and content publishers that simplify the process of both publishing and updating a game on Steam. Simplifying the publishing process means it takes the partner and us less time to ship each product, so we can ship more stuff to more users.

In addition, the new content system will allow us to build several new features that we’ve often heard requested. Upcoming client releases will include things like download scheduling, bandwidth throttling, and prioritizing which games get downloaded first. You’ll also be able to download an update to a game while you’re playing that game; Steam will apply the update after you exit the game.

Over time, more and more of the content on Steam will be delivered using this new system. Soon, Dota 2 will be delivered using it. In the meantime, if you’d like to try out this new content system you can do so right now; if you download a 1280x720 (HD) trailer from the store, it will happen via the new content system. Give it a try!
 

Anilusion

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StuBurns said:
It must be very much 'DotA: Source', if people are expected to perform at a professional level with no experience of the game.

The players invited are probably in the closed alpha/beta already.
 

Luigi87

Member
VALIS said:
Anyone else unable/barely able to connect in the last 10 minutes either through the client or the webpage? Getting 503s on both. I can't see any reason why the problem would be on my end since I'm connecting everywhere else just fine. Wanna buy that zombie RTS up there. :(

I haven't been able to access any pages (save for the homepage) of the store on my client all day, yet I can access the pages fine on Firefox.
 

Twinduct

Member
So I'm signed into steam, but not the store and currently when trying to log in it says 'invalid details' ... Hmm, I should stop trying before this thing gets locked :S
 

Twinduct

Member
Schmattakopf said:
Mainly, renown is harder to get, and you will not be offered anything. i.e. You have to ask to become a vassal and no one wants you to become one (kind of like when you try to make one of your plebeian companions a lord), and even once you've become a vassal, it's unofficial at first, so you don't get a fief. On the flip side, you can marry a lord and use him politically instead of having to marry a lady, all of whom seem to have submitted to being powerless. Oh and with the new interactions, after a lord says something chauvinistic, you can insult him and taunt him into battle. :D

There are advantages. I just wouldn't try it as a new player.


I think the game looks great, and although I've never fought a medieval battle, it feels realistic to me. Apart from being able to fight too many people by yourself later in the game.


I mean, those points pretty much support my argument against the walk-in villages and towns. Think of all the time they put into making each unique place just to have us use it to find quest givers and to do those bad quests you mentioned. I would much rather just use the world view (which is 3D, by the way) + 2D menus. Very manageable.

Oh and to add to the contention, while each place is unique in structure setup, they aren't unique-looking at all. I get them all totally confused. I think there's just about one variant look for each kingdom's towns and villages, and there are six kingdoms.

Completely agree. I was actually hoping that with the latest iteration (fire & Sword) would have a complete overhaul on the designs, making each faction stand out more. But other than the emblem, I hardly know who I'm fighting in the field, or which faction's town I'm in (when not on the world map screen)
 

Card Boy

Banned
Guys Call of Juarez: The Cartel is $20.40 at Greenman Gaming if you use the code GETYO-URWAN-DOUT1. The game is a Steamworks game and doesn't use UbiDRM, Greenman give you a code for Steam on release.

I can get Renegade Ops for free aswell. I have $10.25 store credit at GMG if i use that voucher code.
 

StuBurns

Banned
I can't find any Dota 2 leaked stuff, shame. It's good to hear that Steam stuff is coming. I want queuing more than anything. At the moment I can't ever get more than two or three things downloading before I get 'servers busy try later' stuff.
 
3chopl0x said:
GreenManGaming does a lot of 20% off codes and usually has cheaper prices to begin with, and with their awesome referral system where you and the person you refer get 5$ credit it's a great way to pick up games cheap. I'm actually using them to buy steamworks games all the time now.

Is there a list of their Steamworks games anywhere? I looked around but had no luck.
 
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