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[Milamber]

lol dam you guys hate gfwl so much you are worried someone will use it. No one will use it anymore,it's dead.

*knocks on wood*

 

[JaseC]

Oh, they stack? I've been wondering about that since 10% is such a paltry discount.

Well, the game is just two weeks old. But, yeah, they do. I used one when buying the game during the Summer Sale and gave out the few spares I had.

 

[derExperte]

Oh, they stack? I've been wondering about that since 10% is such a paltry discount.

TT2+ is still 20% off btw, so 30 with the coupon. Great deal imo.

 

[JaseC]

lol dam you guys hate gfwl so much you are worried someone will use it. No one will use [GFWL] anymore,it's dead.

Stand in front of a mirror and say this three times.

TT2+ is still 20% off btw, so 30 with the coupon. Great deal imo.

That's not how percentages work. Including the coupon the game can be had for ~28% off.

 

[Grief.exe]

lol dam you guys hate gfwl so much you are worried someone will use it. No one will use it anymore,it's dead.

We want to burn the corpse

 

[Zeknurn]

lol dam you guys hate gfwl so much you are worried someone will use it. No one will use it anymore,it's dead.

What's the saying? "Japanese publishers finds a way."

 

[NaM]

lol dam you guys hate gfwl so much you are worried someone will use it. No one will use it anymore,it's dead.

Sadly this isn't true, Ultra SFIV will use GFWL for matchmaking in 2014 so it's not dead yet.

 

[Milamber]

*knocks harder*

 

[Grief.exe]

Sadly this isn't true, Ultra SFIV will use GFWL for matchmaking in 2014 so it's not dead yet.

Source?

 

[Nabs]

Sadly this isn't true, Ultra SFIV will use GFWL for matchmaking in 2014 so it's not dead yet.

link?

 

[73V3N]

I thought the new SF was steamworks??

 

[Salsa]

Sadly this isn't true, Ultra SFIV will use GFWL for matchmaking in 2014 so it's not dead yet.

what?

then again I did wonder how they were gonna handle the $15 upgrade if one was GFWL and the other wasnt

 

[Syphon Filter]

Sadly this isn't true, Ultra SFIV will use GFWL for matchmaking in 2014 so it's not dead yet.

Capcom moved to steamworks and the trailer for Ultra said steam.

 

[NaM]

There's NO WAY capcom will change that, the netcode + gfwl has to be very deep in the source code, it will be very hard and cost a substantial amount of cash to make a change that big.

Edit: I know the game will release on steam just like AE and vanilla but I don't see Capcom using steam's matchmaking.

 

[Caerith]

So upgrading from SFIVAE to USFIV removes GFWL?

 

[JaseC]

Capcom moved to steamworks and the trailer for Ultra said steam.

But it stands to reason that Ultra will retain GFWL if there's to be an upgrade option on the PC as SFIV uses it. I mentioned this when the game was announced and everybody was assuming it'd be Steamworks.

 

[zkylon]

for me and my friends it's a general love for pes, just seeing all the differences every year, how fixed bugs come back from the grave and general goofiness around how shitty it still is for whatever reason.

I mean I've been playing this shit ever since I'm like 8 and my stepbrother gifted me a pirated all japanese teams winning eleven game

also fifa doesn't recognize my friends' shitty third party controllers so good and it's hell on earth to manually set them up (and runs like shit on my friend's pc)

I just realized I wrote the word 'shit' like 12 times in this post lol

dude, playing "la winning" is still very much the tradition, but FIFA got better, and got them beat

also its weird, in my own experience everyone still plays PES 8 on PS2 in Uruguay and Argentina but if you go to say.. Chile, everyone's playing FIFA

I sat in a house in Santiago with 6 other people and wanted to play PES and everyone was like "wtf" and put in FIFA

we call it "el winis" but yup

also everyone's playing fifa here too, but I just love the budgety feel of pes. I don't even care which game is better, shit like victor valdes turning invisible mid game just does it for me

 

[Salsa]

gfwl has to be very deep in the source code

I doubt it. GFWL is just an interface, their whole matchmaking process doesnt even touch it

So upgrading from SFIVAE to USFIV removes GFWL?

that's the part I dont get. My guess was that they just werent gonna do the $15 on PC, like you'd expect from cacpcom

 

[Fox318]

Why don't they turn Street fighter into a f2p game and just sell cosmetics and add characters every 6 months?

 

[Syphon Filter]

But it stands to reason that Ultra will retain GFWL if there's to be an upgrade option on the PC as SFIV uses it. I mentioned this when the game was announced and everybody was assuming it'd be Steamworks.

The upgrade versions if anything will have it but not the separate version. I am not even sure if the upgrade will be on pc,when they mention that in the trailer they specify ps3/360 only.

 

[Salsa]

also lets see if this is worth getting

thanks dex

 

[JaseC]

So upgrading from SFIVAE to USFIV removes GFWL?

There's an Ask Capcom thread about Ultra and GFWL, but the site is down and Google's cache of it is AWOL.

The upgrade versions if anything will have it but not the separate version.

This would split the userbase between GFWL-powered Ultra and Steamworks-powered Ultra.

 

[Deleted member 144138]

Could someone invite me to the steamgifts group?

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198092166136/

Thanks

Anyone?

 

[morningbus]

There's NO WAY capcom will change that, the netcode + gfwl has to be very deep in the source code, it will be very hard and cost a substantial amount of cash to make a change that big.

While I'm not trying to say it is easy, it isn't that hard either. Gotham City Imposters made the switch from GFWL to Steamworks and it's a free to play game.

So upgrading from SFIVAE to USFIV removes GFWL?

That's the current speculation. Capcom hasn't released a press release or anything.

 

[zkylon]

also lets see if this is worth getting

thanks dex

so jelly T_T

 

[Acccent]

shit like victor valdes turning invisible mid game just does it for me

lmao

 

[NaM]

Someone should ask Sve... oh wait

While I'm not trying to say it is easy, it isn't that hard either. Gotham City Imposters made the switch from GFWL to Steamworks and it's a free to play game.

This is Capcom.

 

[Peff]

Or, you know, when the time comes they'll patch/replace the current game with USFIV with the Ultra content locked until you purchase the DLC and leave the full game as the only possible option to buy in the store.

Ideally.

 

[Salsa]

honestly between BioShock 2 and Arkham City *MAYBE* (optimistic grief) droppin GFWL at the same time, I just gather MS is sending shit out like "hey we aint gonna support this anymore starting next-gen, so you guys that use it wont be able to do online with it", and everyone's just slowly removing it.

 

[morningbus]

Someone should ask Sve... oh wait



This is Capcom.

And that was Warner Bros., some of the only people capable of rivaling Capcom with bad decisions.

 

[Tellaerin]

We want to burn the corpse

"Wait! I think this guy's dead. Better check for a pulse."

"Okay!"

*discharges plasma cannon into GFWL's chest multiple times, blowing out its ribcage*

"...no pulse."

 

[NaM]

And that was Warner Bros., some of the only people capable of rivaling Capcom with bad decisions.

Touché.

 

[Grief.exe]

Most likely what will happen is Capcom will have a desperate registry app for Ultra.

They will stop selling older versions of SSIV and abandon the online as well.

They offer the upgrade to the ultra version. When you upgrade it will switch your license from the older version to ultra. Prompting a reinstall and new netcode.

Most likely Microsoft told these companies GFWL won't be supported after 2013 or 2014. Ultra is an answer to that.

The writing is on the wall. GFWL will probably not be present in Ultra.

 

[Caerith]

So, nobody's really sure how USFIV is going to work. With what we've seen so far it's easy to infer that they'd remove GFWL and use Steamworks instead, but that can't be easy or cheap and we haven't seen confirmation one way or the other.

"Wait! I think this guy's dead. Better check for a pulse."

"Okay!"

*discharges plasma cannon into GFWL's chest multiple times, blowing out its ribcage*

"...no pulse."

I say we take off and nuke GFWL from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[JaseC]

honestly between BioShock 2 and Arkham City *MAYBE* (optimistic grief) droppin GFWL at the same time, I just gather MS is sending shit out like "hey we aint gonna support this anymore starting next-gen, so you guys that use it wont be able to do online with it", and everyone's just slowly removing it.

I don't see MS retiring GFWL as an ongoing service. Obviously there's no reason to maintain it as a platform, but it's ingrained in dozens of games and, more to the point, Microsoft hasn't patched out GFWL from any of its own titles.

Most likely what will happen is Capcom will have a desperate registry app for Ultra.

They will stop selling older versions of SSIV and abandon the online as well.

They offer the upgrade to the ultra version. When you upgrade it will switch your license from the older version to ultra. Prompting a reinstall and new netcode.

Most likely Microsoft told these companies GFWL won't be supported after 2013 or 2014. Ultra is an answer to that.

The writing is on the wall. GFWL will probably not be present in Ultra.

Please stop with these delusions.

 

[Salsa]

I don't see MS retiring GFWL as an ongoing service. Obviously there's no reason to maintain it as a platform, but it's ingrained in dozens of games and, more to the point, Microsoft hasn't patched out GFWL from any of its own titles.

that's cause MS doesnt give a fuck, either they remove it down the line or they dont and leave the games without any online access/possibility of buying DLC

it all depends on how much it costs them to mantain it and whatnot

I mean, I wouldnt rule out them trying again by rebranding it and make it into something else once xbone is out, maybe that's the thing

 

[Grief.exe]

I don't see MS retiring GFWL as an ongoing service. Obviously there's no reason to maintain it as a platform, but it's ingrained in dozens of games and, more to the point, Microsoft hasn't patched out GFWL from any of its own titles.



Please stop with these delusions.

If Microsoft cared about returns from those games they would have them available on other digital distribution platforms. In Halo 2's case,not even for sale at all.

 

[Peff]

Speaking of the devil, can you actually activate games offline? It'd be hilarious if some games can no longer be played because they were never installed.

 

[JaseC]

that's cause MS doesnt give a fuck, either they remove it down the line or they dont and leave the games without any online access/possibility of buying DLC

it all depends on how much it costs them to mantain it and whatnot

I mean, I wouldnt rule out them trying again by rebranding it and make it into something else once xbone is out, maybe that's the thing

Maintaining GFWL as a service would cost Microsoft next to nothing. It's literally just product activation, achievements (assuming there's some server-side stuff there) and basic network functionality.

If Microsoft cared about returns from those games they would have them available on other digital distribution platforms. In Halo 2's case,not even for sale at all.

Completely irrelevant, and there are a few Microsoft-published GFWL titles on Steam (Fable 3, for one). "Publishers are abandoning GFWL, therefore Microsoft will kill off GFWL" is putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 5.

 

[NaM]

I don't see MS retiring GFWL as an ongoing service. Obviously there's no reason to maintain it as a platform, but it's ingrained in dozens of games and, more to the point, Microsoft hasn't patched out GFWL from any of its own titles.

IMO Ultra will use Live, I wish it didn't but I don't see Capcom changing it. And until MS explicitly kills Live I have no reason to believe otherwise, at least with the information we have now.

 

[Blablurn]

it's the truth dude

to be fair, it's good because they pretty much stole everything good from PES 8 onwards



dude, playing "la winning" is still very much the tradition, but FIFA got better, and got them beat

also its weird, in my own experience everyone still plays PES 8 on PS2 in Uruguay and Argentina but if you go to say.. Chile, everyone's playing FIFA

I sat in a house in Santiago with 6 other people and wanted to play PES and everyone was like "wtf" and put in FIFA

It is, it really is.

I played over 200h of FIFA13 on the PC. And this fucking games, games. I'm fairly good but it's impossible to master this game because it always comes up with fucking asshole scripts to destroy ur momentum.

 

[Prophane33]

As someone who's never played anything like Crusader Kings II before, what DLC is worth getting?

Sword of Islam, Legacy of Rome, The Republic, and The Old Gods have the biggest influence on who/how you play. Ignore Sunset Invasion. All the rest of the DLC is just cosmetic.

 

[jediyoshi]

IMO Ultra will use Live, I wish it didn't but I don't see Capcom changing it.

They love it so much they've forgot to put it in a bunch of recent games.

 

[PixyJunket]

Welp, I think I hit a nerve.

 

[yoshizzle]

Welp, I think I hit a nerve.

O_O

 

[toddhunter]

There's NO WAY capcom will change that, the netcode + gfwl has to be very deep in the source code, it will be very hard and cost a substantial amount of cash to make a change that big.

Edit: I know the game will release on steam just like AE and vanilla but I don't see Capcom using steam's matchmaking.

Do you think the PS3 and 3DS versions use GFWL? I would think the transport layer would not be a big deal to swap out.

 

[Grief.exe]

I'm willing to bet a $15 Steam game that Ultra will not use GFWL

 

[chronomac]

I had a question about building a machine before and I got more responses here than I did at the "I need a New PC!" thread so I figured I'd ask another. Granted I have posted this over there, but I figured I'd let you guys help me out too:

So I think I might start building my own machine, little by little. I found this budget setup on reddit. I like everything except the DVD writer, which I'm leaving off, and Windows 7, where I'll substitute 8.

Do you guys think that's a good build for less than $500?

Also, if I wanted to substitute a motherboard that supported HDMI, what would be a good one? I plan on connecting this thing to my 42" 1080p TV, so I assume HDMI would work well...unless you guys think VGA is sufficient (which my TV does support).

 

[Nabs]

QLOC has the ability to do a Steamworks network port, so I don't see why Capcom wouldn't do it. I know it'll make people mad, but fuck it. The positives are too great to ignore. They get to reach more people and they don't have to deal with the stupid fucking patching system.

 

[JaseC]

Welp, I think I hit a nerve.

What did you do?