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Sarcasm

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So, I'd find an official thread to ask this in, but I do like to avoid plot spoilers, so I'll just float it here.

Are the two GTA IV expansions any better than the base game? As much as I had high hopes when I started out GTA IV, the repetitive missions are boring me to tears. I get that they were trying to dial it back and go for the really detailed city after doing SA, but the game itself just seems so dull once you look past all the neat little touches here and there. There doesn't seem to be anything to spend money on other than guns, and I'm just forcing myself to plow through the missions at this point, since it feels like I'm somewhat near the end.


The biker one is okay shortish, but u really enjoyed ballord of gay Tony.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Can you trade stuff in at Gamestop, get in-store credit, and then turn that around and buy Steam cards? I feel like they wouldn't because they're technically not getting any money but I figured I'd try.

Yes. EB Games AU even runs a promotion prior to the Summer and Winter Sales where you gain 30% on top of your trade value if you opt to spend it on Steam Wallet codes. I think Gamestop itself has done something similar before.
 

derExperte

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So, I'd find an official thread to ask this in, but I do like to avoid plot spoilers, so I'll just float it here.

Are the two GTA IV expansions any better than the base game? As much as I had high hopes when I started out GTA IV, the repetitive missions are boring me to tears. I get that they were trying to dial it back and go for the really detailed city after doing SA, but the game itself just seems so dull once you look past all the neat little touches here and there. There doesn't seem to be anything to spend money on other than guns, and I'm just forcing myself to plow through the missions at this point, since it feels like I'm somewhat near the end.

Gay Tony is one of the best things the entire GTA series has to offer. Lost and Damned on the other hand isn't really essential. Though there's a small (and very short) connection to V which makes you go 'wot' when you know the characters.
 

kris.

Banned
Yes. EB Games AU even runs a promotion prior to the Summer and Winter Sales where you gain 30% on top of your trade value if you opt to spend it on Steam Wallet codes. I think Gamestop itself has done something similar before.

Neato! Looks like I'm getting GTAV after all!
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Neato! Looks like I'm getting GTAV after all!

To play GTAV you'd also need your friend's Social Club login info.

Edit: Err, never mind. I was scrolling and thought you responded to my previous post, haha.
 
Check the app on SteamDB and search for exfgls. Games are shared by default; the exfgls flag allows publishers to opt out.

I can't find exfgls in the KF2 page but I can't either on the GTA5 one and I know GTA5 isn't share-able since my friends don't have it through my library so I think I'm looking in the wrong place.

Sorry for being a spoonfeeded moron, not SteamDB-savvy.
 

Vlad

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The biker one is okay shortish, but u really enjoyed ballord of gay Tony.

Gay Tony is one of the best things the entire GTA series has to offer. Lost and Damned on the other hand isn't really essential. Though there's a small (and very short) connection to V which makes you go 'wot' when you know the characters.

Hmm, if Lost and the Damned is short, I guess I'll plow through that and finish up with Gay Tony. As long as the missions are something other than "drive here and kill a building full of guys", then I'll be happy.
 

Sini

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I can't find exfgls in the KF2 page but I can't either on the GTA5 one and I know GTA5 isn't share-able since my friends don't have it through my library so I think I'm looking in the wrong place.

Sorry for being a spoonfeeded moron, not SteamDB-savvy.
I'm pretty sure games that aren't released yet can't be shared at all.
 

Grief.exe

Member
I can't find exfgls in the KF2 page but I can't either on the GTA5 one and I know GTA5 isn't share-able since my friends don't have it through my library so I think I'm looking in the wrong place.

Sorry for being a spoonfeeded moron, not SteamDB-savvy.

Pre-ordered games won't show up in your library until release I believe.
 
Hmmm funnily the GTA V finally trailer has a very similar lady voicing over the trailer in the same informative/reductive way. I think I've found one of your bugbears there.

This has been a thing with other games too. Campster compared it to car commercials lol.
 

_hekk05

Banned
If I invite you into my home and you began talking garbage, me asking you to leave is not censorship. Suggesting that I have to accept that you can do whatever you want in my home is suggesting that you have the right to impede my own right of expression, which is in itself a form of censorship.

This is a message board. It is not your home. People come here to talk, to chat, to share. Here's a game forum! Talk about gaming related stuff here! Except these stuff you're not allowed to talk about because we don't like it. Can't even disagree with it. Its still censorship. It might help foster a better climate, but its still censorship.

As a man who apparently wants to drink tears, I hope you can appreciate me getting a good jolly getting "codescending PCmustardrace" out of you. You have no idea where my allegiances are.

And maybe if you stopped being so condescending maybe people would actually know what you're talking about. I still have no idea what tears I'm supposed to be drinking. Do you even know what me drinking tears mean? It means you got butthurt and I'm enjoying your meltdown.

Agree on that Hatred game. It does seem pretty inconsistent, policy-wise, but what can you do?

Maybe we could, you know, talk about it. Except no we can't, even though its an intellectial debate worth having, at least in my opinion. Maybe that's censorship?

I am. I wouldn't come here if there was porn and the forum would not be in the position it is in if it openly embraced those kinds of topics.

Stop shifting the goalposts. You went from talking about general censored topics, to piracy allegations, and now to pornography. We weren't even talking about pornography. Its not relevant to the forum, but games are. I just talked about hatred, and you agreed with my opinion. Why would talking about inconsistent policy be a bad thing?

We agree there. But it seems you're taking offense to the next logical step: me expressing unhappiness about your unhappiness.

We're disagreeing with each other, and that's fine. I'm unhappy about the policy, you're happy about the policy. Why would you even be unhappy that I'm unhappy? Why would you even care? Why can't you just simply agree to disagree?

Maybe I've missed where I'm on a high horse, but I'm reiterating the policy of the forum we are currently having this discussion on.

I haven't even weighed in on what my own personal opinions regarding piracy are, but that doesn't stop you from supposing my positions. Not to mention that this discussion about freedom of speech was established under the most tenuous of grasps, a person using a post by Grief lamenting that this isn't the best place for technology discussion to suggest the moderation needs a schooling on freedom.

No. The policy of the forum is that there are these rules. I'm saying they're censorship. You're saying they're not. You have no need to reiterate the forum policy. I know the forum policy. I'm calling it out as censorship. You disagree. That's not forum policy. That's 2 people's opinions. You're elevating your personal opinion on forum policy as forum policy.

And you're not helping the discussion by waxing about rom collections when you're the one who brought it up. It can clearly be inferred to be a statement about piracy and that you don't agree with emulation. Maybe this misunderstanding (I presume) wouldn't have happened if you stopped bringing up tangential topics without elaborating on them?


We're really derailing the thread, so I'll agree to disagree. For what its worth, I still like the community here. I follow evilore's policy. I'm not happy about it, but I follow it. And in the end that's what counts.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
But KF2 isn't released

Ah, I just assumed it was since the game isn't purchaseable.

and ReleaseStateOverride doesn't carry in family sharing.

Yeah, I know. Family Sharing games doesn't actually use the account owner's licence at all, which is why it can be used to get around OARIC.

Edit: I'm going to break something if my internet connection doesn't sort its shit out. I can deal with the slower speeds, but the instability is driving me nuts. Hurry up already, October.
 

Vazra

irresponsible vagina leak
I believe that discussion going around about the censorship of the site is kinda something that has gotten a few guys banned before so I would be more careful with talking about those things.
 

morningbus

Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
This is a message board. It is not your home. People come here to talk, to chat, to share. Here's a game forum! Talk about gaming related stuff here! Except these stuff you're not allowed to talk about because we don't like it. Can't even disagree with it. Its still censorship. It might help foster a better climate, but its still censorship.

This is very much Evilore's property and by extension his home. I have not suggested anything that is in conflict with the established rules of this place. To suggest that Evilore cannot limit discussion, even if it is discussion of discussion itself, would be limiting his freedom of speech.


And maybe if you stopped being so condescending maybe people would actually know what you're talking about. I still have no idea what tears I'm supposed to be drinking. Do you even know what me drinking tears mean? It means you got butthurt and I'm enjoying your meltdown.

I suppose it is a bit much to expect you to remember a bizarre exchange we had from two days ago, where you said you wanted to drink tears or some shit over Bloodborne, or whatever.

Stop shifting the goalposts. You went from talking about general censored topics, to piracy allegations, and now to pornography. We weren't even talking about pornography. Its not relevant to the forum, but games are. I just talked about hatred, and you agreed with my opinion. Why would talking about inconsistent policy be a bad thing?

Pornography would absolutely be posted in off topic if we valued freedom of speech as much as you want to. Unless you want to draw an arbitrary line saying "everything but this for no reason." Hell, a guy was even banned and his thread nuked for posting porn just the other day.

As it stands, piracy discussion, much like porn discussion, is banned because it would conflict with the site's ability to make money.

We're disagreeing with each other, and that's fine. I'm unhappy about the policy, you're happy about the policy. Why would you even be unhappy that I'm unhappy? Why would you even care? Why can't you just simply agree to disagree?

This is cyclical. Why do you care that I care that you care that I care? Regardless of the semantics, we're having a conversation about something that isn't banned yet.


No. The policy of the forum is that there are these rules.

Wonderful. We're in agreement.

And you're not helping the discussion by waxing about rom collections when you're the one who brought it up. It can clearly be inferred to be a statement about piracy and that you don't agree with emulation. Maybe this misunderstanding (I presume) wouldn't have happened if you stopped bringing up tangential topics without elaborating on them?

I was not the one who brought up piracy. ArynCrinn mentioned it in the post that set all this off and, if you've ever seen any of his other posts around the forum, you'll know his positions. He mostly skirts the line, complaining about his inability to talk about what he wants, but his opinions are clear.

As for mine, I fully support emulation and format shifting. So, what now? We fuck or what?
 

ExoSoul

Banned
The Dissidia news.... I'm so happy!!!! =D

It might get a PC port but I kinda doubt it, even then I'd be happy with it just on my PS4 ^__^
 
While I'm pretty excited about L4D3, I'm still not sure how to put micro-transaction on that game.
I just hope they don't forget about the story part. One thing that I'm looking forward is the continuation of the story.

Cosmetics? Dress up the special infected as clowns etc. Dunno lol

Also, considering Chet is knee-deep into VR don't know if the story will go anywhere :p Maybe they just introduce a new cast or somethin.
 

ArynCrinn

Banned
There's a reason why you're made to lurk for a while before becoming a member. They ask you to read a relatively small terms of service before joining. You pay absolutely nothing for the privilege to post here. It's not hard and most everyone figures it out.

I doubt we're missing out on the great luminaries of our time because they can't post their hentai in the open air.

I think a man as smart as yourself knows fair well I wasn't talking about "porn posting" in any way shape or form. In fact, I gave clear outlines as to what I disagree with. Being a "gaming forum" first and foremost, pornography almost never is applicable to substantive discourse, and as such inappropriate to post whether it's a meme or whatever. And even IF that happened I would argue the post be removed and a strict warning issued instead of a outright ban.

The ONLY situation where "porn" of any kind would be applicable to the discussion is if a game in question had such content to be discussed, analyzed and talked about in a civil and adult way, with god forbid a bit of humor.

Other than that though, I enjoy some of the discussions here, although at times I must admit I feel like I'm speaking to complete imbeciles (defense of "non-publicizing Hatred brigade") as if it's some kind of sacriledge for it to exist. Keeping in mind of course the rank hypocrisy this sets up while allowing people in offtopic to openly and vividly discuss films such as Salo/Serbian Film/Men Behind the Sun,etc. Now, in the words of George Carlin that is "what is called being stunningly and embarrassingly full of shit".

Now, you mention, it's due to "ads" and all that stuff. Well, I hate to break it to you but, ads aren't the only way to maintain and run a message board like this. Far greater scope of "sites" (left unsaid) operate purely on donations and get by just fine. In fact by operating purely on donations, the community thus then has a actual say and meaningful voice in the site as a whole, because if the staff don't want to play straight we can just choose not to economically support them. Thus giving the entire community a enormous social glue and embedded investment both financially AND based on the "rules" of the site.

Now, I'm no all knowing entity, but that seems a far better deal for the regular ole' users to effect real change on the site whatever that may be, than a handpicked and very few sort of hierarchy that is assumed or supposed to be benevolent or pure objective to every situation, which is impossible.
 

Yes, if I remember correctly, you'll get the gear you had from Witcher 1, albeit severely nerfed. You won't be a godbeast regardless of what you do, though.

Yes, it's mostly dialogue differences outside of major changes in the third act though. Still, a lot of your actions are referenced so I found it satisfying enough. Interested to see how much the Witcher 3 changes given the huge variety of ways the second game can be ended.

Edit: And as mentioned you carry over gear and the gold you had left over.
Thank you all!
I love that I found out about this here first. I felt that the demo of the first one was a bit of a slog and the general consensus around the full game was that it drags on so I skipped it. Hopefully this one isn't as bad because I liked the concept. The fact that I was still playing Awakening didn't help either.
So, I'd find an official thread to ask this in, but I do like to avoid plot spoilers, so I'll just float it here.

Are the two GTA IV expansions any better than the base game? As much as I had high hopes when I started out GTA IV, the repetitive missions are boring me to tears. I get that they were trying to dial it back and go for the really detailed city after doing SA, but the game itself just seems so dull once you look past all the neat little touches here and there. There doesn't seem to be anything to spend money on other than guns, and I'm just forcing myself to plow through the missions at this point, since it feels like I'm somewhat near the end.

The Ballad of Gay Tony is a must.
 

r3n4ud

Member
So where's today's Steam daily deal?

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Grief.exe

Member
How do you guys feel about grey area piracy? For example, games that aren't available anymore like NOLF or GFWL games going forward?
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
I believe they have fixed this. If game is region locked, it doesn't get shared.

That's only logical but I don't have any OARIC-locked games to test. I'm sure if it has been fixed you'll have no trouble digging up a source, though (I'd search myself but I can't go 20 seconds without the 'net dropping out).
 

Dr Dogg

Member
Ain't no drama like SteamGAF drama. I would say can't we all just get along but that's never going to happen.

This has been a thing with other games too. Campster compared it to car commercials lol.

Hahaha while the car ads where are more pop music and a bunch of yahoos mucking about in cars I know exactly what you mean from US ads.

Edit: I'm going to break something if my internet connection doesn't sort its shit out. I can deal with the slower speeds, but the instability is driving me nuts. Hurry up already, October.

I managed to gain a whole 100kb somtime today. Although 8pm is fast approaching which means weekend throttling time so that dream was short lived.

How do you guys feel about grey area piracy? For example, games that aren't available anymore like NOLF or GFWL games going forward?

It's always a tricky one but I'm more in favour of having IP and Copyright laws reformed and brought up to the modern era and the discussion around that. Long, long overdue in pretty much every industry at this point.
 
The Dissidia news.... I'm so happy!!!! =D

It might get a PC port but I kinda doubt it, even then I'd be happy with it just on my PS4 ^__^

It's really shaping up to be much more impressive.

The wait will be painful though, fall 2015 for arcade release and then at best, a year after that for it to be ported.
 

morningbus

Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I think a man as smart as yourself knows fair well I wasn't talking about "porn posting" in any way shape or form. In fact, I gave clear outlines as to what I disagree with. Being a "gaming forum" first and foremost, pornography almost never is applicable to substantive discourse, and as such inappropriate to post whether it's a meme or whatever. And even IF that happened I would argue the post be removed and a strict warning issued instead of a outright ban.

The ONLY situation where "porn" of any kind would be applicable to the discussion is if a game in question had such content to be discussed, analyzed and talked about in a civil and adult way, with god forbid a bit of humor.

Other than that though, I enjoy some of the discussions here, although at times I must admit I feel like I'm speaking to complete imbeciles (defense of "non-publicizing Hatred brigade") as if it's some kind of sacriledge for it to exist. Keeping in mind of course the rank hypocrisy this sets up while allowing people in offtopic to openly and vividly discuss films such as Salo/Serbian Film/Men Behind the Sun,etc. Now, in the words of George Carlin that is "what is called being stunningly and embarrassingly full of shit".

Now, you mention, it's due to "ads" and all that stuff. Well, I hate to break it to you but, ads aren't the only way to maintain and run a message board like this. Far greater scope of "sites" (left unsaid) operate purely on donations and get by just fine. In fact by operating purely on donations, the community thus then has a actual say and meaningful voice in the site as a whole, because if the staff don't want to play straight we can just choose not to economically support them. Thus giving the entire community a enormous social glue and embedded investment both financially AND based on the "rules" of the site.

Now, I'm no all knowing entity, but that seems a far better deal for the regular ole' users to effect real change on the site whatever that may be, than a handpicked and very few sort of hierarchy that is assumed or supposed to be benevolent or pure objective to every situation, which is impossible.

I understand your positions. With the existence of an off-topic side, I disagree that we could avoid pornography discussion without, again, the kind of moderation you disagree with.

Regardless, objectionable content would still exist on the gaming side, including the hentai games you mentioned, but also things like nude mods for the games we're talking about or even artwork that gets posted.

The choice was made that this forum would be free, a thing that opens discussion up to the most amount of people, but realities require that money would be needed. Are there alternatives that could be established or already exist on other forums? Sure.

But that begs the question: why aren't you there? If those forums are doing what you want, why aren't you taking your business there? Maybe it's an unfortunate compromise we have to make to allow the most amount of people a voice in the discussion.

My argument from the beginning was this: what limits us here is what makes here special.
 
How do you guys feel about grey area piracy? For example, games that aren't available anymore like NOLF or GFWL games going forward?

I don't engage in that sort of thing but I wouldn't blame someone for doing so.

I heard that something happened and Night Dive is back to looking into the NOLF situation, but I don't have a source.
 

baterism

Member
Cosmetics? Dress up the special infected as clowns etc. Dunno lol

Also, considering Chet is knee-deep into VR don't know if the story will go anywhere :p Maybe they just introduce a new cast or somethin.

Yeah.. I will be really happy if L4D3 is closer to L4D2 rather than CS:GO, but at this point I will take anything.

Source 2 is pretty near, sometimes it still feel pretty surreal. A lot of things has changed since Source 1... shit I get too melancholic, better sleep. G'night GAF.
 

Dsyndrome

Member
How do you guys feel about grey area piracy? For example, games that aren't available anymore like NOLF or GFWL games going forward?

Very tricky. I don't know what the right answer is, like for example songs getting patched out of Harmonix games, or anytime a fan translation's done for something that was never localized outside of Japan.

Does it count as piracy if you buy a modded cartridge off of eBay for Seiken Densetsu 3 or Mother 3? Ripping ISO and roms for games you own to play on PC? All very gray.
 
Any reason for you to be talking about L4D3? Any new rumors? Been waiting for it for so long

Nothing new. But everything we know so far points towards it being next in line. Gooseman saw it in action. Can't be more straightforward than that.



In before SoB or F-Stop is their next game ;-)
 
I would put it on my grave when I die.

"I died"
Macabre but I laughed.

Holy Smokes, it is life-sized???
Belated HPDY Veggie must have missed yours yesterday!!!
Thank you! I have to think of Titchy Gren when I see your username, haha.
apparently over 143,000 entered that PC gamer KF2 giveaway

http://www.reddit.com/r/killingfloo...gamer_beta_giveaway_discussion_thread/cq7vu7i

welp, there goes my chance of winning a key for steamgaf :(
Chances are about 1:19. Not that bad really.
How do you guys feel about grey area piracy? For example, games that aren't available anymore like NOLF or GFWL games going forward?
Very interesting topic. I am from time to time thinking similar stuff about old games almost not or very hard to get your hands on as well. Like Soldier of Fortune (the superior original). Being not allowed in Germany, it is very hard to get it. Not legally afaik.
Then again, I am not sure if it is tolerated to even talk about these things here. In the end I am not saying "go pirate game here.com" or something like that and I am not saying "lol suckaz, I pirate this game xy".
 
Very tricky. I don't know what the right answer is, like for example songs getting patched out of Harmonix games, or anytime a fan translation's done for something that was never localized outside of Japan.

Does it count as piracy if you buy a modded cartridge off of eBay for Seiken Densetsu 3 or Mother 3? Ripping ISO and roms for games you own to play on PC? All very gray.

the distinction to me is this: If i download Mother 3 and a translation patch, am I hurting the possibility of A) mother 3 coming over to the states and B) hurting the publisher or developer by not buying the game?

in this case, Mother 3 is no longer in production so Nintendo isn't seeing any money from it and they're showing zero signs of ever bringing the game over so I feel that it is not the worst thing ever if one were to pull the game down from the 'net. Now, if the game had just been released and you would be affecting either A or B in some sort of way then it's less grey and more black.
 
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