I know right? They should be campaigning for people to go to PSN sales threads to invite people over to PSNGAF and locking the PSNGAF thread.
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STEAM | December 2015 - _ Diretide Greetings and Happy Holidailies
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I know right? They should be campaigning for people to go to PSN sales threads to invite people over to PSNGAF and locking the PSNGAF thread.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I think Stump (and other mods) could and probably should be a bit more heavy handed with the totally off-topic posts when we go gaming-side. Yian's idea to post nothing but anime gifs there, for example, is worthy of moderation.
BinaryPork2737
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Finally, I can buy Dig Dug, Pac-Man, and Galaga for what feels like the tenth time for each. whatatimetobealive.png
Hope it's the same price in the steam sale, I've already got some credit on steam. If it's not, I'll definitely buy it from playism.
freshVeggie
Member
Purposefully threatening to derail a thread can't possibly be looked well by mods/stump yian. Not sure what you think you'll gain by this.
Jawmuncher
Member
Take it up with Stump since you feel so strongly about it. This idea can't happen without Mod/Admin approval.
as for "it'll force people to post in the sales thread", why you are so sure? If the sale will be boring one, and so far it kinda looks like it, there won't be much to talk about, will it?
not for the sake of being negative or something, I know we need new people and I know reasons behind closing this thread: ourambassadors derExperte fails us every single time, it still in many ways depends on how good a sale will be, you know it's true. You can't recruit people in the half dead thread.
Anyway, let's get back and wreak some havoc on the gaming side.
welcome, I hope you'll like your stay
not for the sake of being negative or something, I know we need new people and I know reasons behind closing this thread: our
Anyway, let's get back and wreak some havoc on the gaming side.
welcome, I hope you'll like your stay
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
It's obviously a false flag operation to finally get anime banned from the steam threads.
Se7enSword
Banned
MMBosstones86
Member
Who gives a shit about 'bringing people over'. Just let it happen over the natural course of events.
This isn't our first sale, guys. Act like we've been here before.
Don't lie to the new guy.
This isn't our first sale, guys. Act like we've been here before.
Don't lie to the new guy.
NightmareTrigger
Banned
Don't think I'll be picking up much this seal. Really only if it's suuper cheap and can run on my lappy. I have too much on my plate with finishing up Witcher 3 & MGSV and starting Fallout 4, and maybe Elite because I heard a rumor someone's getting a HOTAS for xmas? Eitherway, just in for a few
games.
Sakura
PetriP-TNT
Member
Heh, visiting the gaming quote of 2015 thread reminded me why I actually did like Witcher 3 a ton despite it having tons of crappy things: the dialogue was pretty wonderful at points.
Jawmuncher
Member
Nah we're usually pretty cool and/or off topic a bit. Not at each other's throats.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
The idea here is that we move our discussion to the sale thread, so it doesn't become half dead in the first place.
The sale is going through Jan 2 I believe, so the new community thread will be up before it even ends.
YianGaruga
Banned
You shouldn't take everything I say seriously, I'm not going to spam the thread with anime gifs. But someone sent me a PM with a link to an album, so I could. But I won't.
Anyway, enjoy the sale, even though it'll probably suck.
Anyway, enjoy the sale, even though it'll probably suck.
Not off-topic if the gifs are from a Steam game though. Didn't think of that loophole, did ya?
Hero Prinny
Member
can you unban me early when i eventually get banned too pls?
Well, it's not accurate, but that's because every single game is affected by cross region trading and gifting anyways. That tag is basically redundant nowadays. Every game on the store has a lock that works like it, even if it's not listed on steamdb
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
The sale is supposed to end on January 4th at 10 AM PST.
So much naval gazing and no-one addressing the real issue: what is the best way to tell people not to freak out and that it takes a couple minutes for the store to update.
Also, someone send a PM to ModBot to take this off my hands (includes two DLC codes)
Vanguard Princess --MB-CFBF32E2AD137435 - Taken by Sarcasm. 1 entrants total.
Also, someone send a PM to ModBot to take this off my hands (includes two DLC codes)
Vanguard Princess --
as far as I know it's accurate and no, there isn't
but you always can buy a game outside steam, if that's what worries you
I'll be frank, I don't understand this post
you saying it's not accurate but everything is locked?
isn't that mutual exclusive? and also not every game on store has a lock, what are you talking about?
Not exactly. While last September Valve updated Steam's backend to apply the flag to all newly-generated store subs (previously publishers had to opt-in), it was rendered redundant a few months later by Valve imposing restrictions on all gifts purchased in trade-restricted regions, regardless of whether or not it had been applied to the sub/s being purchased -- this hasn't changed.
No, but to be clear, it doesn't prevent cross-region trading across the board. See "Speaking of gifts, what are the regions wherein such purchases have restrictions?" for details.
Jason Frost
Member
No wait for the dailies gifs
I should have made one, but now it's too late and I don't intent to buy everything, ironically or no
NingenJanai
Member
It's not accurate because it being on a game or not has no bearing on it being actually locked. And yes, every single game, dlc, movie and software has a cross-region restriction. It quite literally affects everything on the store. This is not news.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
A recap of my thought process: In the new year we're going to try a few initiatives to help figure out ways to improve the process of users discovering community threads so that there's more new blood. There are still a lot of underutilized community threads. The Steam thread is one of the largest so here it's not a lack of users, but still it'd be nice to have more people filtering in. We're going to try things like encouraging cross-promotion of threads (i.e. if there's an OT for a PC exclusive, for it to link to the Steam thread or whatever), things like temporarily moving community threads back for a "spotlight" tour in the main forums, and I suspect our next batch of moderators will include recruitment from some of the community threads that we currently don't have coverage in. This might ultimately involve not locking this thread when Steam related events are going on going forward. I think for the holiday season this year the thread will be locked, but I'll see about unlocking it a few days early to encourage the cross-pollination more. Or if the sale runs until January 3, having the January thread go up on Jan 1 and begin encouraging people to filter over.
One of the great things about GAF is not having thousands of categories dividing discussion, and one of the terrible things about GAF is that when you don't have categories to divide discussion, people's discoverability options and the ability to find a niche are negatively impacted. Moreover, there are no other venues of this size on the internet that have this problem, so there's no examples we can meaningfully copy from. We spend a lot of time thinking about growing pains issues.
If Steam sale threads ultimately end up not serving any separate purpose or audience, then there will probably be less ado about sale threads going forward and we'll probably keep this open and just not have a sale thread or just have an ad hoc "hey guys there's a steam sale" thread with none of the effort or info that goes into the ones we've done historically. If there's some kind of metagame, then it might be appropriate to have a thread for the metagame like we did this summer. I do still think there's value in our standard suite of sale threads--hidden gem recommendations are one I like a lot. This is something we're still working out. We can't react to what Valve is doing if we don't know what Valve is doing.
The main reasons for locking the threads, as we have always done, is a) to avoid diluting the conversation by having two separate places for it, and b) to avoid the segregation of keeping out the riff-raff, because we want to encourage rather than discourage new users.
But it's also not a big deal. Right, you all have each other on Steam, you can start an IRC room, you can take part in the sale thread. There's lots of spaces to have conversations in the mean time. I'm reading all the feedback that doesn't seem to be just teeth-gnashing.
One of the great things about GAF is not having thousands of categories dividing discussion, and one of the terrible things about GAF is that when you don't have categories to divide discussion, people's discoverability options and the ability to find a niche are negatively impacted. Moreover, there are no other venues of this size on the internet that have this problem, so there's no examples we can meaningfully copy from. We spend a lot of time thinking about growing pains issues.
If Steam sale threads ultimately end up not serving any separate purpose or audience, then there will probably be less ado about sale threads going forward and we'll probably keep this open and just not have a sale thread or just have an ad hoc "hey guys there's a steam sale" thread with none of the effort or info that goes into the ones we've done historically. If there's some kind of metagame, then it might be appropriate to have a thread for the metagame like we did this summer. I do still think there's value in our standard suite of sale threads--hidden gem recommendations are one I like a lot. This is something we're still working out. We can't react to what Valve is doing if we don't know what Valve is doing.
The main reasons for locking the threads, as we have always done, is a) to avoid diluting the conversation by having two separate places for it, and b) to avoid the segregation of keeping out the riff-raff, because we want to encourage rather than discourage new users.
But it's also not a big deal. Right, you all have each other on Steam, you can start an IRC room, you can take part in the sale thread. There's lots of spaces to have conversations in the mean time. I'm reading all the feedback that doesn't seem to be just teeth-gnashing.
I see. So the vpn trick still works right? Say that the gift is sent through email.
OK, but you said every game on store is locked, what would mean that games in my region are locked too, what's not true.
so it was unfortunate wording yet again, carry on
No, not any more. Unless your account's home region matches that of the gift, activating it with a VPN will impose a runtime restriction:
It wasn't unfortunate wording at all. Every game in the store is affected by the cross-region block. Simple as that. Let's read again, shall we?
I didn't say "every region is locked", which is what you are seemingly implying.
49 minutes.
PetriP-TNT
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The issue has been there since Communities were introduced and I have always issues with it. It's just really, really hard to get a community thread going when it isn't spontaneous, and "forcing" people in or out of said threads never works. There are things like Steam thread that are obvious exceptions, but mostly Community is still the pit of doom. Then there were (luckily shortlived) initiatives like forbidding off-topic discussion on community threads (was it after some Foosball thread catastrophe?), which pretty meant taking out the "community" part from the "community" thread.
I'd love if communities succeeded (and I am trying to encourage people to visit threads like the vinyl GAF and Web Design GAF threads) but I still think that the community part was much much more healthy when it there were just in Gaming or in OT. Both sides move so fast anyway so few OT's here and there don't hurt anyone.
My suggestion (as a web developer and a community thread member)? Dump community threads back to the main list and create a filter for them which by default is off. Don't want to see the community threads? Click the filter and they are gone.
TL;DR: Want to increase discoverability? Move threads to a place where people can discover them.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
It's pretty good too. Not too long but adds some interesting mechanics (fear meter) to the genre that are a welcome change. I finished it with 100% sync / all trophies in about 9 hours.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
The information cost to learn about turning off the filter is the same as the information cost to learn about clicking Gaming Community once in a while, no?
No, not any more. Unless your account's home region matches that of the gift, activating it with a VPN will impose a runtime restriction:
Well...fuck.
Does this applies to DLC as well? And is it possible to have multiple region access on 1 steam account?
PetriP-TNT
Member
Welp, I did mean to say that the filter is off by default so that Community threads are visible by default.
Hero Prinny
Member
All I want for christmas is higher than a C+ in my data structure class... pls...
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
All I want for christmas is higher than a C+ in my data structure class... pls...
So... a C++?
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