CecilRousso
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Haven't played it myself, but Klei very rarely goes wrong, and RPS are very positive towards it: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/09/02/invisible-inc-early-access-review/
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Haven't played it myself, but Klei very rarely goes wrong, and RPS are very positive towards it: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/09/02/invisible-inc-early-access-review/
Skullgirls has probably the single best fighting game tutorials in existence, by the way
The actual gameplay is a little too... well, okay, I don't have a fighting stick is the long and the short of it. I like it, but it's a little too much for me - I need a full cabinet. Well, at least a stick.
The actual gameplay is a little too... well, okay, I don't have a fighting stick is the long and the short of it. I like it, but it's a little too much for me - I need a full cabinet. Well, at least a stick.
Personally I would say mortal kombat as it has decent single player, totally different style but good starting point. Best game to learn is where ever you have equal irl oppineet. Thats what skull Girl excels
I put 22 hours into Rogue Legacy and I enjoyed most of it. After New Game+ (or maybe it was ++) I just got bored of it, and I can see how others got bored a lot earlier. But yes, it is a very grindy game. The mechanics and enemies are fun though so I'd still recommend it for $2.24.
FWIW I enjoyed my 10ish hours of Shovel Knight quite a bit more than Rogue Legacy, and if the choice were between the 2, I'd say go with Shovel Knight.
FWIW I enjoyed my 10ish hours of Shovel Knight quite a bit more than Rogue Legacy, and if the choice were between the 2, I'd say go with Shovel Knight.
Thanks for that link. I have heard good things about it from review sites but I like include them with general players (for want of a better term) to get all impressions.
I'm not sure if it's long, short, campaign mode, online etc etc.
There is literally a 37 page PDF on the 1.3 patch for Baldurs Gate 2: EE.
http://www.beamdog.com/files/bg2ee/bgiiee_releasenotes.pdf
Shit is insane.
http://www.beamdog.com/files/bg2ee/bgiiee_releasenotes.pdf
Shit is insane.
Rogue_Ledr
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Yeah, I guess I will hold off, for now.
We'll see what transpires.
Edit: LOL! I just checked and they lowered the price.
Looks like I was prudent to wait after all.
Rogue_Ledr
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You know I just wanted to get the thoughts of you guys on the following matter:
Is anyone else surprised how long STEAM has gone without hacking issues
I mean, seriously!
After all this continuous business with Anonymous, Lizard Squad, etc. hacking Sony, MS, and other major web services left and right I'm surprised that STEAM has remained untouched thus far.
Why do you think this is? Is it great security measures or just the fact that nobody bothers to hack them? They could be a lucrative target to a adept hacker party.
Is anyone else surprised how long STEAM has gone without hacking issues
I mean, seriously!
After all this continuous business with Anonymous, Lizard Squad, etc. hacking Sony, MS, and other major web services left and right I'm surprised that STEAM has remained untouched thus far.
Why do you think this is? Is it great security measures or just the fact that nobody bothers to hack them? They could be a lucrative target to a adept hacker party.
The Red Wizard
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Now you've done it...
abracadaver
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Is battlefield bad company 2 still worth buying or might EA shut the servers down any day now?
Dice
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GRENADE!
ramoisdead
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Please don't jinx this.
ramoisdead
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Dreams-Visions
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autoduelist
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I haven't played Shiren (I actually own Shiren the Wanderer for DS, but don't own a DS).
I suppose there are always exceptions, but as a general rule you'll usually find mechanisms in place (hunger being the classic) that force you to move along, often in combination with non-regenerating monsters (forcing a limited food supply per level, and thus there's no reason/way to create unlimited experience generation.
I'm sure a couple break that rule (Shiren, as you say), but I'd still consider it a defining element of the genre.
The problem with making progress of this sort in a rogue-like is that it breaks game balance in such a way that the game is
1) easy on later playthroughs due to having acquired permanent perks
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2) a fresh character has absolutely no chance unless they die dozens or hundreds of times to 'rack up' this 'progress'.
For example, an experienced player of Nethack could take a fresh install of Nethack and do well since all games start at ground zero. But if you take a meta-progress game, such as Rogue Legacy (which I haven't played but am basing it on the discussion here), that same expert player would have, on a fresh install, a woefully underpowered character that simply hasn't 'unlocked' enough perks/whatever to get past a certain point.
The 'skill' has been removed to some degree - it's no longer the player's learned wisdom and wise choices generating survivability for the current character, but rather, past deaths that ticked up some 'progress' counter and let them start with a fire sword of doom and invisibility every game.
That's the beauty of a grindless game -- the developers can work on balancing it. A game with meta-progress can never be truly balanced, for it's got to be too difficult for starting characters, and will ultimately be too easy once you have fully leveled the meta-game. That's the cost of having the starting character so variable based on past-playthroughs.
Going rogue-like for a second, it would be like if you got to keep all the best items in Binding of Isaac... if you find, say, pyromaniac on your first playthrough you'd effectively break the game and it would be too easy forevermore.
So, basically, that illusion of 'progress' actually makes the game harder, not easier. Until you die a couple hundred times, of course, at which point the game is now too easy. Give me permadeath and no meta-game any day. (unlocks such as new starting races, etc, are perfectly fine, that still creates a sense of progress w/o affecting balance of all future playthroughs).
WanderingWind
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And that's about why rogue-likes are the most hit or miss genre in the gaming universe. They're either fantastic or complete shit. It's become the genre for indie developers who don't understand balance but still want to just put the check in the box that says "challenging."
CecilRousso
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My impression is that it's singleplayer only, and a very replayable campaign.
Locke Lamora
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Good to know, thanks. Bought both games and still saved 2 .
ramoisdead
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The first choice man, the first choice.
woo and indeed hoo
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I enjoyed it an awful lot and I generally despise heavily story driven games. However I was able to tolerate the crappy story, cut scenes and annoying characters because I enjoyed the rest of it so much.
I loved it. I don't think you will regret the purchase.
Shake Appeal
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Yes, it's singleplayer only with procedural levels. It's got some roguelike elements. Games usually last a few hours, although they haven't put in the full proper campaign yet. But it's extremely polished and playable as it stands, and more or less my game of the year.
ebullientprism
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Shadowrun Returns or Dragon falls?
Are they two separate games?
Are they two separate games?
Shake Appeal
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Yes. If you only get one, get Dragonfall DC.
After beating Rogue Legacy I was curious who had the fewest children and finished the game. I believe it was 11 at the time. And like 4 of them were intentional deaths for strategic reasons.
I beat it with 220ish children, newgame plus was another 50 or so. I put 20ish hours into the game and enjoyed it.
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Visualante2
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The game is worth suffering to see the DLC episodes which were actually quite creative. The game's core gameplay loop is quite tedious. I hear there is some weird quirk with the difficulty that makes lower difficulties actually harder? I have no clue but yeah. If you like third person shooters go for it.
woo and indeed hoo
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That was one of the aspects of the game that I thoroughly enjoyed. The
dodging
As a Remedy fan, I was a bit disappointed by it.
The story and combat mechanics can't hold a candle to Max Payne.
It's worth $3, though.
Really? I actually would recommend Skullgirls on the basis that, yes, it doesn't assume you know the foundations of fighting games. Tutorials could be more streamlined, but it's not a bad place to start at all.
edit: MK has much much better singleplayer modes though.
Man...my will to avoid buying the DS2 Season Pass is wavering...
My PC is in sore need of an upgrade, and I'm unsure that it would handle the upgrades in the Scholar of the First Sin edition, (darn 32-bit OS). I'm also out of the country for the next eight months, so there's no need to upgrade now, anyway. And when I do come back, I'll have Bloodborne to play. And I really want to take the DLC with my sword-and-board that I rocked the rest of the game with.
I don't think there are many people in my situation, where for them, it's much better to wait for the upgrade, but I think it's in my best interest to just swallow the cost and have at it.
My PC is in sore need of an upgrade, and I'm unsure that it would handle the upgrades in the Scholar of the First Sin edition, (darn 32-bit OS). I'm also out of the country for the next eight months, so there's no need to upgrade now, anyway. And when I do come back, I'll have Bloodborne to play. And I really want to take the DLC with my sword-and-board that I rocked the rest of the game with.
I don't think there are many people in my situation, where for them, it's much better to wait for the upgrade, but I think it's in my best interest to just swallow the cost and have at it.
tioslash
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To me it´s a good game. I can say I enjoyed it a lot and for $3 would definitely say yes, it is worth it.
Starwolf_UK
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I'd use the Steam Trading Cards Group STCards for that as there are a lot more people to trade with and several active threads there. I did that for the summer sale but this time I just sold the cards as I don't care for the EXP or rewards.
Warnen
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I didn't really care for it either but at 2 dollars if the game seems like it might interest you at all you should still go for it
even if the grinding and such ultimately turns you off you'll probably at least get a couple hours of fun out of it before you get sick of it
really though if you want a Rogue-lite grab binding of isaac the next time it's on sale,amazing game
giant_frying_pan
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I love Rogue Legacy. Got the platinum in the PS4 version, bought it on Steam with this sale and will likely use it as an excuse to play through again.
It isn't perfect, but it has tight controls, a very novel spin on the rogue-lite/like template and there's plenty of different viable ways to play through it in terms of character class. Plus, the soundtrack is excellent!
It isn't perfect, but it has tight controls, a very novel spin on the rogue-lite/like template and there's plenty of different viable ways to play through it in terms of character class. Plus, the soundtrack is excellent!
Now we just need a 75% off sale
Part of that group but some reason I get can't post error code 21.
Website doesn't even work.
Happy Holidays, and good luck everyone!
Great giveaway thanks.
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exmachina64
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I didn't realize so many people hated Rogue Legacy. For my part, I enjoyed it. It can be frustrating initially, but if it clicks with you, you'll enjoy it.
For a new player I wouldn't want to totally load up on expansions. Most of them are just cosmetic anyway. That said, I'd get Sword of Islam to open up the game a bit and MAYBE Legacy of Rome. The rest can wait until you decide if you like the core game.
OldAsUrSock
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Thanks. I am still unsure, but I see Total Biscuit has a video on it, so maybe he can sway me. These 8/16 bit retro games usually are not my cup of tea.
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