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STEAM | June 2015 - Wait for the Steam Sale Thread You Bastards!
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No that was qwiboo.
These guys made the fantastic game ziggurat.
Also here's a reddit thread from /r/gamedev about it: http://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/38xqpi/indie_developers_report_steam_refund_abuse_from/
I could think of several hundred titles we need on Steam.
I think that you guys are very naive, well not all, but some, or you just are overusing ostrich policy.
How many games at full price many indies sell do you think? In hundreds at most, now think about how many users steam has, do the math.
It's not gonna end well, I don't believe it even for a second, it simply can't. We got region locks because small part of userbase (yes, small part) was abusing it. And it is something that everybody can abuse. Granted, many will choose not to, as Jasec, me etc., but many will, you know that, you just don't wanna admit it.
that was a joke, man, old one to boot, years ago we talked about rumours that Halo is releasing on steam and I said I'd take Viva Pinata instead on steam, and then we went on, how ya, we would take it over Halo.
someguyinahat
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I hope, some are already pushing it pretty far.
The last thing we need is for Valve to claim it "didn't really know what it was doing" and remove the clause because people were being jerks about abusing refunds.
derExperte
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Beyond Gravity was on sale for a few cents during the last few days? No. edit: Okay, it was on sale earlier, then became more expensive when the refunds got announced. Makes sense that way but tbf afair the dev said at first he didn't have the full data. And when he got it there were actually lots of refunds.
YianGaruga
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I think you are completely overreacting. Your argument is the same as saying every game needs crazy DRM because a small number of people is pirating games. You don't really believe that a majority of Steam users will abuse the refund system? This is a fantastic feature for consumers that shouldn't be ruined by a few people trying to game the system. Wait until we see the mid- to long-term effects and how Valve handles abuse.
Online shopping still exists in Europe even though you have practically the same right to refund anything.
Customers exercising their rights. Hopefully this will lead to better games in the long run and encourage people to try more new things.Thought this was interesting
People testing the refund system, getting refunds to have money for the sale or Valve killing video games? I guess we'lll know in the future
PetriP-TNT
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Cool, thanks.
Looking forward to reading your posts on this Monk.
Reminds me of how I found out about Dungeons of Dredmor, played that game for like 80 hours and barely spent 5 euro for base game and dlc.
Freedom = $1.05
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i'm pretty sure that every time Marlow Briggs gets down to .99 it gets its own thread. Saying that it goes unnoticed seems a bit much. Game gets a ton of love all the time.
It's not the same at all! We are talking about legal way of getting your money back after you finished the game. How can you even compare?
Crazy DRM doesn't save from pirates, everybody knows that, it only inconveniences your legit users. Nor legal users will pirate the game because it has sick DRM. While letting people to get refund on any game, even one you finished, no questions asked is tempting huge amount of people to do just that.
Feature is only then fantastic, when it doesn't really hurt anybody, while this we got, can hurt devs of short games, badly. Although Valve still can tweak rules and they probably will.
We'll see soon enough am I overreacting or being realistic. I mean after sale ends, sale isn't normal time for any prognosis or normal behaviour.
derExperte
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See my edit, was on sale before the refunds so that could explain the drop.
You have found secret entrance for devs community? xD
I think it's modbots community, they will be plotting there how to take over.
CheesecakeRecipe
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That's an old beta for the current Steam Community profiles and features. There was a slow rollout as all of the new features were introduced and tightened up before they were unrolled to everyone.
On the flip side, this is discouraging many experimental game makers from wanting to try new things. I think there's a lot of panic about it that will settle as Valve works out the kinks, which will hopefully happen sooner rather than later.
derExperte
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Ohhh, someone (not the devs) has fixed Serious Sam: Random Encounter crashing on Windows 8: http://steamcommunity.com/app/201480/discussions/0/618456760264499817/
freshVeggie
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Hey bud. It got really late once our visitors left and I didn't just want to post a useless list of mods and not write important things to take into account, probably causing you all kinds of compatibility headaches (like it did for me
).Anyway, I tried the game with the mods and it really got a bit complicated at some points. Currently prepping a post for that.
Only a bit more patience and you'll get a hopefully useful mod-post
I see that Sins of a Dark Age turned Free-to-Play. I remember it being purchasable with money though before.
What would happen if I used a Steam key purchased back then now? Cause I have a Steam Key for that.
Haha, that is a cool tag. The trophy makes it
Damn, you registered three years ago and only have about 300 posts
Some hardcore lurking :O
Just saw you have your old tag. Did you turn your back on the states or finally settled completely in the US of Freedom?
I only ever saw that one old legendary thread-fishing thread in OT where almost everyone who posted got a tag. But since then thread-fishing never worked afair. It's kinda needy, so I don't like it as well.
Nice. How come you opted for having languages as DLC and not in the game? Just curious.
Bohemia have confirmed that they are revealing the new terrain for their upcoming Arma 3 expansion.
MakeshiftChef
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Looks like amazon has started up a summer sale of their own. Ace Combat: Assault Horizon for 4 bucks is tempting me. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B4Y7OP0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Double Dragon Neon is really fun, surprised it got a lot of hate, it's a pretty decent beatemup.
hmm weird
I was hoping for something like that
hmm weird
I was hoping for something like that
From paradox I would guess on:
- Pillar of eternity expansion
- Footage from hearts of iron 4
- First cities skylines dlc
- Maybe some more indies published by paradox
Freedom = $1.05
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my reservations when it comes to PC announcements is that this seems like the year that we're going to get a blast of VR at e3. It reminds me of when Sony went in hard on the 3D stuff and we basically had an e3 that was all about 3d.
even as someone who likes 3D, i fucking hated that year.
even as someone who likes 3D, i fucking hated that year.
crimsonheadGCN
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For the PC press conference, I am expecting a fucking Left 4 Dead 3 announcement. it is time, Valve.
Also, I think there will be an announcement about a huge update to DayZ to fix it's framerate. It'll launch in the next week or two.
Destiny coming to PC in the fall. This is in development at High Moon Studios.
And Blizzard announcing that they will start supporting Linux.
Also, I think there will be an announcement about a huge update to DayZ to fix it's framerate. It'll launch in the next week or two.
Destiny coming to PC in the fall. This is in development at High Moon Studios.
And Blizzard announcing that they will start supporting Linux.
freshVeggie
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Crazy. The things I used to fantasize as a kid are only a grasp away!
If someone is refunding after they beat the game, they are obviously abusing the system.
Valve will deal with abusers and the situation will normalize.
CheesecakeRecipe
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I want it, but I'm not getting my hopes up. The company is pretty heavily focused on Steam VR/Steam Universe right now, don't think that leaves a lot of room for a game like L4D3.
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Tizoc
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Praise the sun.
derExperte
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Seems to be a Qix-clone, that's what pushed me towards buying the bundle.
If they are mainly interested in artistic experimentation, something like a Patreon might work better. Entertainment products are mainly seen as that, products to be consumed. As such they are expected to work, whatever that means to you is depending on your taste and expectations.
I think it goes with bigger updates. I recently added more bosses, heroes and stuff in one swoop.
This might be true, but relying on people being stuck with your game after purchase no matter what is not exactly an inspiring or sustainable business model. The good games will rise to the top.
CheesecakeRecipe
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It's moreso the fact that they are a target for abuse online more often than not, because they dare to try something different while still providing an interactive entertainment experience. With the current setup, things are ripe for abuse and can cause pretty serious financial harm to smaller firms or one-person-army projects who want to make something they want to see made. I have no doubt this will get fixed in time, but the system should be perfectly accommodating to these developers as well as to consumers.
We're at a point now where there's so much legitimate information floating around about a game pre and post release that there's very little getting in the way of making an informed purchasing decision other than the buyer themselves. This system works great to make sure that people can get their money back in the event of a truly catastrophic, malfunctioning ripoff game making its way through Greenlight and has been long since needed. And I feel that's where a majority of the action this service sees should and eventually will be.
"Good" is a subjective thing, based on person to person. I'm not comfortable with lots of experimental games being left to rot off and the developers having wasted thousands of man hours because it didn't adhere to a specific standard.
They just had a big one. Two new classes and a dungeon I think. Plus alternate colors.
Nabs
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I'm not sure yet, but at least it looks cool. Here's a thread with a shit ton of gifs http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=750986
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Freedom = $1.05
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it'll come, just 6-12 months after the console versions. They love that PC double dip, just look at FFT0
Any guesses are acceptable. I mean I have had a ticket for 6+ days and they did change how the region thing works.
Why would people be buying these experimental games in the first place?
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