morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Yo, this escalation over nothing.
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STEAM | June 2015 - Wait for the Steam Sale Thread You Bastards!
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just refunded prison architect too (i'm part of the problem). weird that the refund got through, it's a little more than 14 days
i didn't hate what i played of it but it didn't run well on my videocardless computer and i figured i could get something that does for that money
i think i'll def pick it up later when i can run it properly, i like the genre and it looked like a more than capable game
i'm legit upset over this right now
fuck this shit
i think for valve there must be some cost-benefit thing for not having to deal with a lot support crap if ppl can just return the items they bought
i didn't hate what i played of it but it didn't run well on my videocardless computer and i figured i could get something that does for that money
i think i'll def pick it up later when i can run it properly, i like the genre and it looked like a more than capable game
i'm legit upset over this right now
fuck this shit
cool attitude
you're the worst
i think for valve there must be some cost-benefit thing for not having to deal with a lot support crap if ppl can just return the items they bought
That would be something. I could probably a bit of money on some of the delisted stuff I've got.
Original Famous Ray
Member
Did steam just take a massive dump? I can't access anything. lol Can't wait for the summer sale!
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
That seems to be a soft limit for the time being, with refunds being processed for anything up to 6 months old at the moment. They might clamp down on the 14 day thing after everyone's got some old stuff out of their account they no longer want, since they didn't have the option to do so as easily before.
Se7enSword
Banned
It's Tuesday. Par for the course.
a used digital game is the same thing as a digital game, what would Steam or the publishers gain from this
Backlogger
Member
Man, that Fry's deal is tempting with the sale starting this week. I may have to run down there on my lunch break.
Umm, but why? If it under 14 days/2hours, just refund it, get the money, go to store, buy as gift, then gift it to the said person, then ask him for cash or paypal. Or just refund it, then hold the money.
If you sell it lower than your buying price, you lost. If you sell higher, the buyer lost (why would he do it anyway?). The only win is if you buy at 75% off, the sale end, then you sell it at like 30% off. But I'm not sure Valve or the pub would be happy with that.
i really wonder where mca is gonna go
he sounds like a guy that would like running his own thing and would be awesome if he just founded another inxile or whatever, but it gives me a similar feeling to ken levine
while i bet these guys can do marvels with low budgets and shit, the things they achieve when handed good amounts of money is so great that i just don't want them to be indie
he sounds like a guy that would like running his own thing and would be awesome if he just founded another inxile or whatever, but it gives me a similar feeling to ken levine
while i bet these guys can do marvels with low budgets and shit, the things they achieve when handed good amounts of money is so great that i just don't want them to be indie
In some cases it would stop a refund, so Steam and the publisher wouldn't have to pay back anything. They would just see the game move from one owner to another.
Granted, you could argue that the user buying from another would probably just buy from Steam anyway, but if you could get it at a discount from someone you might not.
$50 Steam cards - 20% off at Frys today
Bring all your friends and buy gallons of Steam cards for free $$$.
Edit: You can also price match this at best buy, which can sometimes help you get around the "one per purchase" thing.
Would have saved $5 over the eBay deal, assuming you could buy two.
Seems like that is the case.
But it's new and different and I'm confused...I hate it.
Games I'm lookin' out for on Steam Sale:
Grim Fandango: would be First Playthrough, hows port?
D4 Dark Dreams Don't Die: No idea how many episodes are out still, or how the port changed things, but SWERY...
Crypt of the Necrodancer: Feels like a straightforward safe/fun buy if I have some spare moolah
Incognita: Dunno about this one, the only Strategy game I've enjoyed in years has been Shadowrun: Dragonfall, unless the story is insane I tend to not give a shit about most of them unless they have like insane compound move/class mechanics.
Black Mesa: What changed from Mod version? Xen still isn't in so shrug.
DMC4SE/Shadowrun Hong Kong: won't be even out on time for significant sale, right?
Any other bombshells to look out for for the sales, I only own around 180 games so most things more off the path than Transistor or more off the path than KR0 would probably definitely not be owned yet.
Grim Fandango: would be First Playthrough, hows port?
D4 Dark Dreams Don't Die: No idea how many episodes are out still, or how the port changed things, but SWERY...
Crypt of the Necrodancer: Feels like a straightforward safe/fun buy if I have some spare moolah
Incognita: Dunno about this one, the only Strategy game I've enjoyed in years has been Shadowrun: Dragonfall, unless the story is insane I tend to not give a shit about most of them unless they have like insane compound move/class mechanics.
Black Mesa: What changed from Mod version? Xen still isn't in so shrug.
DMC4SE/Shadowrun Hong Kong: won't be even out on time for significant sale, right?
Any other bombshells to look out for for the sales, I only own around 180 games so most things more off the path than Transistor or more off the path than KR0 would probably definitely not be owned yet.
You mean one of the worst, most awkward fighting scenes ever?
Nabs
Member
This makes me wish I waited to buy it on Steam.
big argie dev is doing a master of orion reboot/remake thing
i know some ppl therbut can't really say how good the actual game will be since most ppl i know are artists/programmers.
first big name project for argieland outside of like licensed things, it's pretty cool news
so
fucking
bad
i know some ppl therbut can't really say how good the actual game will be since most ppl i know are artists/programmers.
first big name project for argieland outside of like licensed things, it's pretty cool news
well but then there's that other fighting scene at the end with special effects that look almost as good as kung fury's!!!
so
fucking
bad
YianGaruga
Banned
It is not
Kurt Russell
Member
Yeah, this time of year is like hell for my wallet.
What yea get? I think my only purchase will be syndicate wars lol
Speaking of which: If you don't have the Quest for Glory games, get on that, son.
most if not all in that episode were cringe worthy but never would a experienced fighter go "oh he's rolling towards me? better run at him and expose my front"
I mean after the Dog vs Brienne you'd think they'd actually maintain a certain level...
spindoctor
Member
Valve literally stated outright that refunding a game because it just went on sale at a lower price isn't considered exploiting the system. And yet you're still hung up on that?
Backlogger
Member
I really haven't been tempted by any of the GOG sales oddly enough. I think it is because I am getting close to owning all the games I want from GOG, which is a finite list. I passed on the LucasArts games because the Star Wars games I wanted weren't discounted at all and the others I wanted were only discounted 33%. Thanks Disney.
I might pick up Decent 1-2 though...
I might pick up Decent 1-2 though...
Atraveller
Banned
It's not exploitation if Valve allows it.
You are entitled to ask. You are not entitled to receive it, slight difference. And if Steam allows you to get a refund for a game you didnt liked, then you're not abusing the system, you're using it the way you're supposed to.
Doorkickers
Shadow Warrior
Jagged Alliance 2
Lords of Midnight + Doomdarks Revenge
Sword of the Samurai
Darklands
Master of Magic
Dead State
Most of em were super cheap but still, it adds up.
Woah these actually look like really cool games. I'm not a huge fan of adventure games but the RPG elements look neat.
Dio Brando
Banned
actually considering that too. just feels so overwhelming to me, and im not that creative
there's no evidence of people using the system in any way other than the one that's intended or that reducing the system to 15 minutes will be necessary
this is either a bug in which case it'll be fixed or intended functionality in which case it's not abuse
this is untrue as the rules of the refund system clearly state you can refund games for any reason you want. i forget if they gave out examples but i'm pretty sure they talked about a game being on sale the next day or not liking the game being more than valid reasons
yup, it's pretty terrible
and episodes are having a lot more carnage and battle lately which makes this things be even more noticeable
this week's episode i feel like was the worst of the whole season
Phawx
Member
YianGaruga
Banned
Okay let's call it exploitation.
What percentage of Steam users "exploits" the system? What impact does it have on sales and revenue?
What percentage of Steam users buys more games now because of a lower barrier of entry, less risk and more trust in Steam as a platform? What financial impact does this have? Which effect is bigger?
How likely is it that we're seeing flatlining sales graphs (of certain indie games) because people are refunding purchases of 2+ months in a span of a few days, instead of them being spread out over these months and that this will stabilize soon?
Unless you can give me an answer for these questions, nothing is a "fact" about this system.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Hello beautiful
Phawx
Member
PM incoming
Backlogger
Member
The only game I would have ever refunded given the option was Thirty Flights of Loving. I heard it was a good game but didn't read the reviews closely and thought it had a cool art style but when I finished it in 10-15 minutes... well yeah. I would have requested a refund on that one.
Pretty much every other game I have purchased (not including bundle fodder) I felt I was making an informed purchase and never felt inclined to return it.
I don't think a few people souring it for a few games shouldn't cause Valve to make any massive changes. Eventually the people that are "gaming" the system will get bored and it will tone down. It may never go away completely for certain games but the onus is on the publisher and developer to make the game compelling enough that a majority of the people who buy it don't feel inclined to return it.
Pretty much every other game I have purchased (not including bundle fodder) I felt I was making an informed purchase and never felt inclined to return it.
I don't think a few people souring it for a few games shouldn't cause Valve to make any massive changes. Eventually the people that are "gaming" the system will get bored and it will tone down. It may never go away completely for certain games but the onus is on the publisher and developer to make the game compelling enough that a majority of the people who buy it don't feel inclined to return it.
corrosivefrost
Member
Bullshit.
If people weren't trying to exploit the system, you wouldn't have a bunch of people refunding shit in here just "because".
If people weren't trying to exploit the system, you could still try to refund anything, but Valve got sick of the number of requests they were reviewing (which in my experience is a review in name only, the employee didn't read a word I wrote) and put a hard "6 month" timeframe on the refunds so now you cannot request refunds if the purchase was more than 6 months ago.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
A world in which you can get a refund because a product you purchased as recently as a day ago went on sale for less money is not a world in which a policy is being exploited. It's a world where Valve is thankfully catching up and matching the expectations the consumer has had for decades.
So I can tell you guys
Steam Customer Service still sucks monkey butt.
9+ days ago I put in a ticket to add my home country (america) to my account. Since I live in Taiwan. I only had the Taiwan option. I had no choice! I couldn't use my paypal!
I waited 9 freaking days. I even gave them my passport early without them asking.
Now I have this
I fixed it..myself. ha eat that steam customer service!
Steam Customer Service still sucks monkey butt.
9+ days ago I put in a ticket to add my home country (america) to my account. Since I live in Taiwan. I only had the Taiwan option. I had no choice! I couldn't use my paypal!
I waited 9 freaking days. I even gave them my passport early without them asking.
Now I have this
I fixed it..myself. ha eat that steam customer service!
YianGaruga
Banned
It's not an exploit if it's intended. You can refund pretty much whatever you want. That's the intention. I don't see how putting a hard 6 month limit changes that.
Exploitation begins when you start being a "serial refunder", which Valve has stated won't be tolerated.
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