It doesn't work even in Windows 8 unless you manually update GFWL from website. Just in case you didn't do that. (Same goes for all GFWL games)
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STEAM | June 2015 - Wait for the Steam Sale Thread You Bastards!
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It doesn't work even in Windows 8 unless you manually update GFWL from website. Just in case you didn't do that. (Same goes for all GFWL games)
Haunted
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Here's hoping for a decent summer sale deal then.
I also don't understand that chart as that just means lack of sales and not much to do with refunds? Unless refunds are getting processed that quickly and everyone is just abusing it as a a glorified demo?
But as mentioned above the bigger hit will be that knowledge of a Steam sale being just around the corner
i just find it kind of pathetic for a developer to complain that ppl are returning their games
i mean, what else could that mean other than ppl don't like your games?
Oh it's that easy, thanks.
Couldn't really find anything on the pcgamingwiki about it being on win 10 also
Good point.
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Can anyone help me here? I'm... Having the weirdest issue. Whenever I download anything off Steam as of... I don't know, a few days or a week, perhaps, my entire computer starts to lag like a mofo, and starts to freeze up. Turns out that *ONE* of my cores (and one thread) is entirely maxed out until I stop the download.
Anyone ever experienced this issue before? Googling it I found a fat load of nothing. My CPU is a 3770k and sure as shit shouldn't have a problem... Running... Steam...
Tizoc
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IMO if a game is between 20-30 GB, that's fine in my book. Blowing it up to that high a size is BS.
Stop trying to trick us into thinking that BIG SIZE=IMPROVEMENT AND NEXT GEN!
Because it fucking isn't.
CheesecakeRecipe
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How's your hard drive activity looking? Some downloads seem to saturate my hard drive's available bandwidth and starts to choke my system.
Agreed! Must be disheartening for the developer though knowing that there has been X amounts of hours playtime but yet no profit from it.
I just hope the refund system isn't getting abused where a majority of gamers (if that chart actually reflects Steam refund sales which I don't think it does!) are getting 1-2 hours gametime out of a game and claiming the refund. As it won't take very long for Valve to change their refund policy and cause legitimate refunds to be hurt.
Hey I'm allowed to love trash-tier games!
derExperte
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NingenJanai
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highfive, FUCK THE F3 HATERS!
I enjoyed F3 on 360, in fact I wanted to play the DLC on PC, but then saw my backlog and decided to just probably play NV which I haven't played yet, but looking at howlongtobeat probably not doing NV either :|
You really need to get some sleep, as you make no sense.
Like for example people played your game and now are getting their money back because they can, perhaps? Or I can name you another ten or so reasons that have nothing to do with liking or not liking.
And nobody offers refunds for liking or not liking things, if you bought it, it means you liked it enough to buy. You can return things if they are falsely advertised, don't work as they should, are broken, there are some other reasons, but these don't apply to games.
If you go to liking - not liking, you are asking for massive problems and you stop doing refunds very soon after you went there.
Granted, we have laws that lets you return almost anything soon after you bought it, if you haven't used it. But we are talking about returning games people already played here, for two hours no less, that is enough to be done with a game in many cases.
It'll backfire pretty soon, mark my word. No dev or publisher will be happy about this.
but I'll be damned if it isn't looking nice, Wander I mean. Still it's a MMO, not sure if want.
Well good luck.
Refunds is a response to the EU courts saying that steam need to follow EU regulations when it comes to consumer protection laws.
Not a Fallout 3 hater, I've played through it 3 times, 2 of them vanilla and still love it like no other game.
But I do see a lot of the obvious problems the game have and still has even after modding it.
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Jawmuncher
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70gb for Type 0 is a bit funny when you look at the game.
YianGaruga
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This looks amazing. it's hard to find something in that vid that doesn't look cheap, wrong or broken. Reviews will be great
I know that, but our courts don't say you can return anything now under any conditions, are they?
This may be true in the United States of America, but in the Europaen Union we have laws that protects customers.
Right let's just stop a minute before throwing toys out of prams because of files sizes (and as of yet technically unconfirmed file sizes) and think logically. Is FF Type-0 on PS4/XO dual audio or more? Does it have in engine or prerendered cutscenes? How much audio are we talking? Those a likely to be your culprits for larger sizes.
Yikes! That sounds waaaay to high. Origin only hits one core at 20% load for me and that's a resource hog and Steam has never gone above 10% system utilisation. Have a gander at CPU usage under Task Manager to see if it really is Steam that's the issue. If it is go download Process Explorer (don't have a link sadly but it's a Microsoft application not included with Windows) and then you can look at individual process threads to see what's eating up CPU cycles.
Yikes! That sounds waaaay to high. Origin only hits one core at 20% load for me and that's a resource hog and Steam has never gone above 10% system utilisation. Have a gander at CPU usage under Task Manager to see if it really is Steam that's the issue. If it is go download Process Explorer (don't have a link sadly but it's a Microsoft application not included with Windows) and then you can look at individual process threads to see what's eating up CPU cycles.
derExperte
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Even in the videos on the Steam page you can see baaad pop-ins in the background. So it looks good as long as you don't move. To be fair at least they're not offering preorders with some discount to lure people in.
i think adding refunds like this is great as it gives every game a sort of demo for you to safely try it out and return if you don't like it
it's definitely a way for valve to push steam more towards a service that actually helps people find good games rather than +1s (while not hurting the saoirses that only want +1s), and to me that's very encouraging
it also seems like it was uncharacteristically pretty well thought out, with ways to prevent ppl from exploiting it and with a pretty lax set of rules. like, i sold the cards from phantom breaker back when refunds weren't in place, but still could refund it. i wouldn't mind if it refunded the card money too, but they didn't because it's not really a big deal and locking yourself out of refunds is not worth it for like a few cents
i'm surprised some developers are panicking about this, this does nothing but help good developers and players and make steam a more reputable store
i mean, sure
it just makes me happy to hear u say its trash tier and not get mad at me bitterly taking jabs at it
hey thanks for taking my personal struggles and turning them on me
that's cool
name them pls
thankfully it seems like with steam refunds this will no longer be the case
so if you don't like something and you didn't play enough that it's obvious that you're lying, then you can ask your money back
i don't even know what this means
uhh if i buy a shirt and i don't like them i can return them even if i wore it once or twice
games are not underwear
there are systems to lock you out of refunds if you do this consistently. you may get to play dear esther, gone home and a few rounds of counterstrke but eventually you won't be able to do this anymore
and i duno, i have tons of short games i wouldn't return, and even games i didn't like only because i feel like they're worth supporting.
edit: you're suggesting a huge number of ppl will abuse the whole "return short games" thing which to me is delusional. most ppl won't even know they can return things, let alone consider abusing it consistently, or at least as many times as the system lets them.
maybe
sadly for good things to happen shitty people that only care about themselves sometimes need not to be happy
YianGaruga
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Or it may lead to less broken games or ones that contain less than 2 hours of interesting content.
The horror
People should absolutely be able to return things they don't like if there is no way of testing them beforehand
I can't say I remember said laws word by word, but I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.
Any lawyers here?
broken games of course can be returned, I said as much, that's not what we are talking about.
In my eyes, if you bought a game and played for 2 hours, you liked it well enough. That's why I think that just returning games for reason I didn't like it, can't end well, it's humans we are talking about, they are unreasonable at least half of their lifetime.
Jawmuncher
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54.99 here, not much cheaper.
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You can request refunds on Early Acess titles right? I wonder if this system was in part to help agaisn't some of the greenlight fodder and such.
YianGaruga
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I'm not a lawyer, but I know enough about it. You're allowed to return anything within 2 weeks of purchase if it was bought online, since you're not able to test it or look at it like in a store.
For digital content it was recently made possible to circumvent it by including a disclaimer that says you can't get a refund once you "commence the service", which most providers interpret as making the download available. Valve is now changing their stance to be more consumer friendly and more in line with the general use of the law.
I don't think you should only look at worst case scenarios here. There is always room for abuse (Russian bear, account sharing, piracy) but that shouldn't influence the rights of the majority of people who are playing by the rules. This can only be a good thing. If people don't want to pay for games there were already many many other alternatives.
i mean, tbh thanks to beth allowing new vegas to happen there are reasons to be happy for all kinds of fallout fans, so not really hating on fo3, just making snarky remarks that are probably less clever than i think they are
the only thing that annoys me about fo3 is how much praise it gets while being so indifferent to the core tenets of the fallout concept
it's just depressing as someone that considers fallout as one of the most important things of their life
The Red Wizard
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European law has various provisions protecting consumers. When we heard about the refund policy, my first thought was that it is being done with EU regulations in mind. It's kind of Valve to offer this universally because, as far as I know, the law isn't as consumer friendly outside the EU, for example in America.
Snakethesniper
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Do they notice you if they can't refund a game? I sent a refund request yesterday morning and still no new about it
derExperte
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Interview with SWERY about how the D4 PC version got made: http://jp.automaton.am/articles/int...ery-interview-how-did-d4-and-pc-version-made/
That's cool too.
That's cool too.
Obviously certain legislation for consumer protection differs from country to country but if something is defective most countries have certain legislation entitling a replacement or refund. Regards to just returning something? Well that's a little different. Under the now obsolete Distance Selling Regulation you had a cooling off period of 14 days to return blind purchased goods via mail order, online shopping etc. no questions asked and full refund paid (which plenty including myself abused to the hills). They were replaced a couple of years ago by Consumer Contracts Regulations which only grants a 14 day period for certain goods (which you won't get the full amount refunded as the retailer is allowed to deduct an appropriate restocking fee) and has more explicit terms for digital content and software. As mentioned previously it states you waive your right to a refund the moment service is started. This could be a subscription model or some providers like Amazon are doing it the moment an ebook is downloaded onto a device.
CheesecakeRecipe
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dirtywhirlwind
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Playism is bringing Neo Aquarium: The King of Crustaceans to Steam on June 8.
Playism is bringing Neo Aquarium: The King of Crustaceans to Steam on June 8.
Yes! Fish based combat is where it's at for 2015!
Yes, you're only entitled refund for non-working digital products. So Valve's is actually far better than what laws require.
That's not even returns graph. We don't know if it takes return into account.
Maybe it's slow perioid for steam when everyone else is already running their summer sales and steam is full price?
It's not some big name game, but fairly niche title.
yeah just talking about the concept in general, unrelated to that developer in particular
Every time I see ColdSun's pics in the Steam Activity I always think the same thing "now this is wide screen".
MMBosstones86
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derExperte
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Everyone's talking about Hatred. But what about Gynophobia?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/365020/
What?
I miss underwater shooter-sims like Aquanox.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/365020/
What?
I miss underwater shooter-sims like Aquanox.
NingenJanai
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CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
You collected cards of your... Conquests in TW1. Of course there was no actual game with the cards.
after playing 3 level of hatred...i really don't understand the hate for this game
i mean,,in GTA you kill people more violent than this ?
there is many games that you kill people in most bad way then this game
its not bad , i like that you can destroy anything in the game ( walls and cars and objects )
the execution is meh, you get bored of them after couple of time and you can turn them off
i mean,,in GTA you kill people more violent than this ?
there is many games that you kill people in most bad way then this game
its not bad , i like that you can destroy anything in the game ( walls and cars and objects )
the execution is meh, you get bored of them after couple of time and you can turn them off
Agreed. This is also the perfect way to check if a game runs on your PC, without having to resort to piracy or risk wasting money.
I like this change. It makes me feel I'm not taking a bet when purchasing a rather expensive game, especially with a computer as old as mine.
NingenJanai
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