The GOG thread dedicated to cataloguing DRM-free games on Steam says otherwise, but I just bought the game myself to confirm and, yeah, it's DRM-free.
It's AUD$17, which I'm guessing means it's USD$15, which is also the Steam price.
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The GOG thread dedicated to cataloguing DRM-free games on Steam says otherwise, but I just bought the game myself to confirm and, yeah, it's DRM-free.
It's AUD$17, which I'm guessing means it's USD$15, which is also the Steam price.
It's AUD$17, which I'm guessing means it's USD$15, which is also the Steam price.
Yeah, US$15 on both sites for me, although I suppose there could be a difference in some regions.
I'm in between Rune Factory 3 and 4. 4 fixes some stuff of 3 but 4 got that annoying random events system.
I will get Stardew and never played any of those.
I'm not much into handhelds so that removes most of the games.
LurkerPrime
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It's really easy to forget what truly ugly games look like, I think. I was going to link to Bear Simulator, but in the spirit of not bullying I'll find something else..
I present... A Valley Without Wind (aka, Programmer Art: The Game)
I present... A Valley Without Wind (aka, Programmer Art: The Game)
A Valley Without Wind 2 (basically a Director's Cut to try and salvage the game) wasn't much better.
To be fair they're all butt ugly and not attractive at all. At least Stardew has good spritework and nice colors (but the portraits are ugly, yes).
Comparing things to Arcen games really isnt' fair.
I actually tried to get into AI War at one point, but I feel like I would really need someone to play it with, and I don't know anyone that crazy/ with that much free time.
I actually thought about buying RF4 last time it was on sale, and I thought the art style was a turn off on that game too.
bobnowhere
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Does The Evil Within get any better? Finished the first 4 chapters but nothing about the game has gripped me so far and what's with the main guy running out of stamina after a 10m sprint? He must smoke 5 packs a day.
Nice littlerouguetetris-like. The blocks come in fewer shapes but are made of five different colour pieces that join together. Once you get an exploding block, all the coloured blocks linked together explode clearing the field. 17 or so peeps on my friends list have it and many have "idled" but judging on the in game tables no one has actually played it, you should!
I think it's still available in one the bundlestars bundles.
Nice little
I think it's still available in one the bundlestars bundles.
Welp, dodged that bullet then.
I present... A Valley Without Wind (aka, Programmer Art: The Game)
A Valley Without Wind 2 (basically a Director's Cut to try and salvage the game) wasn't much better.
dude that's yusuke from yu yu hakusho
man watching band of brothers sure got me in the mood of a new brothers in arms game
i feel like i might be the only person in the world that absolutely loved that series but i so wish it was back
this is how it's showing for me at least
should all games be pretty? is "aesthetically pleasing" a sign of quality?
cos like, i raise you undertale to that
here you have stuff like bad pixelart, disparately used fonts, whiny colors, random abstract ui, etc., but how can anyone argue that ugly art is not the best way of saying what undertale has to say (or at least it does a fine job at it)?
so like while i can see what you mean i don't think a detailed pixelart style with lots of antialiasing and a less drab color palette and higher iq characters would make papers please work better. there's a dehumanizing aspect to papers please look, from the muddy and bleak and depressing color palette to the blurry id card picture look of its characters, i just can't imagine that game looking any other way
i feel like i might be the only person in the world that absolutely loved that series but i so wish it was back
It's AUD$17, which I'm guessing means it's USD$15, which is also the Steam price.
this is how it's showing for me at least
i mean, you get into some complicated stuff when you use the word ugly
should all games be pretty? is "aesthetically pleasing" a sign of quality?
cos like, i raise you undertale to that
here you have stuff like bad pixelart, disparately used fonts, whiny colors, random abstract ui, etc., but how can anyone argue that ugly art is not the best way of saying what undertale has to say (or at least it does a fine job at it)?
so like while i can see what you mean i don't think a detailed pixelart style with lots of antialiasing and a less drab color palette and higher iq characters would make papers please work better. there's a dehumanizing aspect to papers please look, from the muddy and bleak and depressing color palette to the blurry id card picture look of its characters, i just can't imagine that game looking any other way
i think stardew valley looks pretty good and it's pleasing and appropriate and everything
but it's not too special
edit: btw if they made another brothers in arms i'd love it to be drab and brown and bleak and everything
no more fancy schmancy colorful crap like in hells highway
but it's not too special
edit: btw if they made another brothers in arms i'd love it to be drab and brown and bleak and everything
no more fancy schmancy colorful crap like in hells highway
rhophiehalul78
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Art.. art.. art... as a small developer it's a tricky thing to handle. When me and my team started outsourcing for art and seeing the results, we were very happy and amazed. We thought "yes, this is good let's go with this look". When our game (or at least part of it since it is still in development) were showcased to other users the main thing being criticized was our art and it left a bad feeling that maybe we chose incorrectly and that our money was wasted paying for many of these art assets. We are currently trying to think of other ways to improve our art without overhauling or starting from scratch because frankly we spent a huge amount of our savings on them. Here are some art from our game:
I guess we are currently banking on the game's concept to carry the weak art (we were very encouraged by Undertale's success). Our game puts you in control of the monster as you battle the heroes and give them exciting battles while at the same time following standard RPG rules (like reacting on critical hits, dropping them loots, reacting to elemental weaknesses etc.).
The game was just recently greenlit on steam too. How do you find our art?
More importantly, how do you think we can improve our art?
This is our greenlight page: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=630899391
P.S. Stardew Valley looks sweet! You guys are crazy!
I guess we are currently banking on the game's concept to carry the weak art (we were very encouraged by Undertale's success). Our game puts you in control of the monster as you battle the heroes and give them exciting battles while at the same time following standard RPG rules (like reacting on critical hits, dropping them loots, reacting to elemental weaknesses etc.).
The game was just recently greenlit on steam too. How do you find our art?
More importantly, how do you think we can improve our art?
This is our greenlight page: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=630899391
P.S. Stardew Valley looks sweet! You guys are crazy!
Crimsonclaw111
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Stardew is growing on me a bit. The intro is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
Momodora: RUtM looks really nice-
looks like cave story
TheAutomator
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it looks neatArt.. art.. art... as a small developer it's a tricky thing to handle. When me and my team started outsourcing for art and seeing the results, we were very happy and amazed. We thought "yes, this is good let's go with this look". When our game (or at least part of it since it is still in development) were showcased to other users the main thing being criticized was our art and it left a bad feeling that maybe we chose incorrectly and that our money was wasted paying for many of these art assets. We are currently trying to think of other ways to improve our art without overhauling or starting from scratch because frankly we spent a huge amount of our savings on them. Here are some art from our game:
I guess we are currently banking on the game's concept to carry the weak art (we were very encouraged by Undertale's success). Our game puts you in control of the monster as you battle the heroes and give them exciting battles while at the same time following standard RPG rules (like reacting on critical hits, dropping them loots, reacting to elemental weaknesses etc.).
The game was just recently greenlit on steam too. How do you find our art?
More importantly, how do you think we can improve our art?
This is our greenlight page: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=630899391
P.S. Stardew Valley looks sweet! You guys are crazy!
idk if you're allowed to do a bit of advertising like that but considering how many times dusk golem's done it (tho his games are free so idk?)
of ur game, i feel like it mostly needs a personality injection. a desert can't be just yellow sand and green cacti, it needs more. a forest can't just be trees and grass, etc. backgrounds end up looking generic if they don't look distinctively like they're from ur game and no one else's. the characters have a similar problem, they just need a bit more of a unique look
like fancy skeleton and chill vampire from ur gif look awesome, i think that's the standard you should look into for the rest of ur characters
it's bad feedback but game needs to look more 'interesting'
i played a little bit of momodora 3 todayMomodora: RUtM looks really nice-
it was ok, i didn't get really into it cos it seemed hard enough even on easy to have to put in some serious commitment to it and i'm not really sure i'm gonna go for that
it did look pretty tho, i love the colors
Momodora 3 looked like Cave Story:
Momodora: RUtM is actually a huge improvement in visual fidelity of the spritework over its predecessor.
Not that looking like Cave Story is a bad thing.
Art.. art.. art... as a small developer it's a tricky thing to handle. When me and my team started outsourcing for art and seeing the results, we were very happy and amazed. We thought "yes, this is good let's go with this look". When our game (or at least part of it since it is still in development) were showcased to other users the main thing being criticized was our art and it left a bad feeling that maybe we chose incorrectly and that our money was wasted paying for many of these art assets. We are currently trying to think of other ways to improve our art without overhauling or starting from scratch because frankly we spent a huge amount of our savings on them. Here are some art from our game:
I guess we are currently banking on the game's concept to carry the weak art (we were very encouraged by Undertale's success). Our game puts you in control of the monster as you battle the heroes and give them exciting battles while at the same time following standard RPG rules (like reacting on critical hits, dropping them loots, reacting to elemental weaknesses etc.).
The game was just recently greenlit on steam too. How do you find our art?
More importantly, how do you think we can improve our art?
This is our greenlight page: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=630899391
P.S. Stardew Valley looks sweet! You guys are crazy!
I just saw an highlight for your game today while I was going through some week old kickstarter activity. Feels like it's such a small world.
(From the little I can see) I think the character art in your game is fine but at the same time I feel that it lacks personality. A bit because of the way the character animate, a bit because of the difference between how they look in the portraits and how they look in game, a bit because I feel there is a certain lack of little details.
It's only about an hour long game though...
rhophiehalul78
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This is very good feedback. Your critique about personality injection is spot on. Thanks. A lot of our criticisms come from it looking like a Flash game.
Tizoc
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Naruto 4 sitting on 70k owners, sf5 is nearing 130k owners
Saint seiya is sadly sitting on 8k owners :/
Saint seiya is sadly sitting on 8k owners :/
These ancient dragons and their loli fetishes.....
LurkerPrime
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Style eternal.
I think this was the exact moment I realised Cave Story was special.
The first thing that comes to mind is "flash game" because of the low-detail character models, especially contrasted with the portraits. The UI also isn't helping things--it's too plain for modern tastes. Lampooning retro aesthetics is one thing, but I find that in most cases it just looks cheap. The frantic animation looping is also kinda budget. Basically, Mediocre Monsters is living up to it's name, I guess.
Artistically, and purely as a potential customer, I'd just recommend syncing up the character portraits with the models a bit more, like give the yeti glasses or drop it. I like some of the character art, like vampire guy and the goblin, but please give vampire guy a better shirt--his current one is like nothing at all, at least on first glance. And finally do something for the UI, to give it some flair beyond "we finished this last."
As far as gameplay, the idea has potential, but like zky says, it needs more personality beyond "classic JRPG." Make this game your own and don't rely on nostalgic references or mechanics to carry it--people have seen that before. And I'll be blunt--4th-wall breaking "players" spewing insipid jokes is tired, well-worn ground. I'd recommend looking at something like Paper Mario 64/Thousand Year Doors to look for inspiration on giving JRPGs a humorous tilt, with interesting enemies and clever writing.
But yeah, cool idea for a game. Good luck in your development, KS, and release!
I think this was the exact moment I realised Cave Story was special.
Art.. art.. art... as a small developer it's a tricky thing to handle. When me and my team started outsourcing for art and seeing the results, we were very happy and amazed. We thought "yes, this is good let's go with this look". When our game (or at least part of it since it is still in development) were showcased to other users the main thing being criticized was our art and it left a bad feeling that maybe we chose incorrectly and that our money was wasted paying for many of these art assets. We are currently trying to think of other ways to improve our art without overhauling or starting from scratch because frankly we spent a huge amount of our savings on them. Here are some art from our game:
I guess we are currently banking on the game's concept to carry the weak art (we were very encouraged by Undertale's success). Our game puts you in control of the monster as you battle the heroes and give them exciting battles while at the same time following standard RPG rules (like reacting on critical hits, dropping them loots, reacting to elemental weaknesses etc.).
The game was just recently greenlit on steam too. How do you find our art?
More importantly, how do you think we can improve our art?
This is our greenlight page: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=630899391
P.S. Stardew Valley looks sweet! You guys are crazy!
The first thing that comes to mind is "flash game" because of the low-detail character models, especially contrasted with the portraits. The UI also isn't helping things--it's too plain for modern tastes. Lampooning retro aesthetics is one thing, but I find that in most cases it just looks cheap. The frantic animation looping is also kinda budget. Basically, Mediocre Monsters is living up to it's name, I guess.
Artistically, and purely as a potential customer, I'd just recommend syncing up the character portraits with the models a bit more, like give the yeti glasses or drop it. I like some of the character art, like vampire guy and the goblin, but please give vampire guy a better shirt--his current one is like nothing at all, at least on first glance. And finally do something for the UI, to give it some flair beyond "we finished this last."
As far as gameplay, the idea has potential, but like zky says, it needs more personality beyond "classic JRPG." Make this game your own and don't rely on nostalgic references or mechanics to carry it--people have seen that before. And I'll be blunt--4th-wall breaking "players" spewing insipid jokes is tired, well-worn ground. I'd recommend looking at something like Paper Mario 64/Thousand Year Doors to look for inspiration on giving JRPGs a humorous tilt, with interesting enemies and clever writing.
But yeah, cool idea for a game. Good luck in your development, KS, and release!
oh that's good to know
might push a bit longer then and finish it up
it does look like a flash game because of the shading and animation, tho i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
i think basically u always want ur game to stand out, even if it's not gonna have the highest quality ever. it's not easy to come up with something that looks unique and is also doable on a low budget but you gotta be crafty, that's just how it is
like i think rpg monsters going to an office to work and having to answer to a manager and stuff is pretty cool but if it's just gonna be a regular office and a regular manager suit that's not very interesting, so maybe push the monster-y angle some more or something
cave story looked like an awesome game for someone other than meStyle eternal.
I think this was the exact moment I realised Cave Story was special.
i like the characters and art and stuff but too hard for my bones
Cave Story really isn't that hard. Unless you are going for the true ending, in which case you pretty much need to follow a bunch of spoilers all the way through the game, and fuck that shit. I still haven't gone back to do that.
rhophiehalul78
Member
The idea behind the Yeti being different from the portrait is this: At the monster town, he looks exactly like the portrait, shades and all because he's just being himself. During battle, they change their looks to be more natural looking or more monster like as they are acting up for the heroes. I think that might not be the best decision after all. Here is our Yeti during town:
Also, our animator for the town is different for the animator in battle so their style is different. We thought FF7's Cloud's exploration model is different from Cloud's battle model so maybe we can also do that and it will be acceptable.
Lastly, Yeah I think we will hire a UI art specialist because right now all we have are placeholders. Thanks for the feedback.
On the other hand, what do you guys think about Hotline Miami's art? I can stand Papers Please art but not Hotline Miami.
what makes you think we don't know
Black Soma
Member
That is why it's on my wishlist.
Tizoc
Member
The fact that non of y'all bought or played it to talk about it :v
i think everyone got cave story when it was in a bundle or something
i tried the free game they released after cave story and it was pretty hard
ramoisdead
Member
Daisuke is great. Glad he dealt with AGM Playism for Kero instead of Nicalis.
well like my mom likes to say i should've come with an instructions manual
was really hard for me at least :T
also the "losing ur gun powers on taking dmg" mechanic was really frustrating for me. not like ragequit frustrating but made the game not so much to play
LurkerPrime
Member
Yup, Kero Blaster (full game) , Pink Heaven (Kero Blaster Demo), and Pink Hour (Pink Heaven Demo) are all from Studio PIXEL, the First Indie Dev.
Ah, that makes more sense. I guess the question should be, is the UI something the heroes see or no? Like, just how deep is this game-within-a-game charade going? It could be all Monsters Inc where it's a whole industry, or Toy Story where it's just... how things are. Really depends on what sort of thing you're going for.
And personally, I've never liked Hotline Miami's look. I just don't like that perspective, ever since I played Mission: Impossible on the NES. The unrepentant goriness and frenetic speed are both neat, though.
The idea behind the Yeti being different from the portrait is this: At the monster town, he looks exactly like the portrait, shades and all because he's just being himself. During battle, they change their looks to be more natural looking or more monster like as they are acting up for the heroes. I think that might not be the best decision after all. Here is our Yeti during town:
Also, our animator for the town is different for the animator in battle so their style is different. We thought FF7's Cloud's exploration model is different from Cloud's battle model so maybe we can also do that and it will be acceptable.
Lastly, Yeah I think we will hire a UI art specialist because right now all we have are placeholders. Thanks for the feedback.
On the other hand, what do you guys think about Hotline Miami's art? I can stand Papers Please art but not Hotline Miami.
Ah, that makes more sense. I guess the question should be, is the UI something the heroes see or no? Like, just how deep is this game-within-a-game charade going? It could be all Monsters Inc where it's a whole industry, or Toy Story where it's just... how things are. Really depends on what sort of thing you're going for.
And personally, I've never liked Hotline Miami's look. I just don't like that perspective, ever since I played Mission: Impossible on the NES. The unrepentant goriness and frenetic speed are both neat, though.
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