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STEAM | March 2016 - This thread is badass

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spindoctor

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TheAutomator said:
Right. Other services don't even have features like marketplace/trading so it's only fair Valve takes them away forever for the people who are bitching. They don't deserve it.
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Your post sounds bitter but yeah, kind of. Nobody deserves the right to trade or sell stuff on the market. It's an optional feature that Valve provides that is starting to cause lots of problems for them. They've tried several solutions which have all made their community unhappy and have apparently not worked either, because they keep coming up with new ones. Now they've settled on two factor authentication and the 1, 3, 7 and 15 day holds are all to accommodate those who can't or won't do it.

If it were me I'd do things differently. For one, I'd get a Windows phone app up immediately because it's ridiculous that those users simply have no option to use the authenticator. Ideally though they should have just used the Google authenticator which would have been a much better solution in my opinion. The $3 limit below which authentication is not required also needs to come back. I still think it's a bug that they're making us confirm every single listing. Maybe they can reconsider the authentication requirement on all trading cards, but some foils do have a high value... so maybe all trading cards except foils can go through without any hassle. I'm sure there are other, better ideas than what I have that can help make this nuisance less of a problem.

I also think some people should stop and consider just how big trading and the market is to actually understand what kinds of problems Valve is running into. I live in a poor country so my first job out of college was $400 a month. There are CSGO knives that are worth ten times as much as that. This means there are people who can (and do) make a living out of Steam trading and scamming. Getting Valve to duplicate one knife worth $500 is more than some people can earn in a month in some places around the world, so people absolutely will do whatever they can to exploit the system. This includes scamming people, pretending to be scammed and especially credit card fraud, which is a catastrophic outcome for Valve. Credit card providers will start to blacklist merchants who have a high rate of chargebacks. Imagine how bad it is from Valve's perspective if Visa or Amex stopped supporting payments on Steam. That's half of the credit cards in the world that stop working on Steam. And all this risk for what? That 5% cut they take on market trades? I think this is why they are trying to stop scams from happening in the first place.

someguyinahat said:
What's happening is the vast majority of people who don't use the mobile authenticator have ceased trading entirely because there's no point in selling 10-cent cards when you have to wait over two weeks. So naturally most of the traders are authenticated.
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To be somewhat pedantic, there's a difference between trading and using the marketplace. That 95% number refers to trading which is the direct transfer of items from one account to another. It doesn't refer to how many market users are currently using the authenticator.
 
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Simon says gleam shit is the worst, especially when it is for a random game and you already own most of the outcomes:
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Dr Dogg

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I can just see the credits now.

Serious Sam 4: They Seriously Still Making These?

Made possible by FIG, the sole contributor morningbus and funded by free cable credit promotions. By the money morningbus saved us on our cable bills we had enough to carry out his game design from our own money and watch 'free' tv too.
 
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Hektor

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The walking speed is too slow.
There is too much waiting involved.
The game didn't told me that upgrading my watering can means i won't be able to water my plants for the next few days and now my entire farm is fuckin dying.

I think that was it for me and stardew valley. Oh well.

€: Wait a minute, plants don't die when i don't water them for a day? GAMECHANGER
 
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TheGamingBox

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so i want to get the dlc for skyrim, dragonborn and dawnguard, already own hearthfire,

if i were to gift myself the legendary edition, would i be able to giveaway the main game and hearthfire?
 
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Arthea

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spindoctor said:
The authenticator works like any other. If you install it on new hardware you have to use a recovery code to synchronize the app with your account. It's not hardware locked.

I do wonder what Valve should do moving forward. Unless they lied in their blog post, 95% of trades are now authenticated by the app. I was honestly not expecting the number to be this high. So the number of people who aren't happy about this trading change is now a small minority. We have to see now if marketplace users will accept the change as well.

Valve has been implementing all kinds of half assed measures to keep trading and the market open for everyone for well over a year now. I remember it started with making Dota 2 items untradable for 3 months, then trading holds happened, the one week restriction on reselling market purchases and now finally market holds. Each of these changes irritated and annoyed the community every time they were introduced because of the inconvenience.

I reckon if Valve can get enough people using the authenticator for both trading and the market then they might stop enforcing all these strange cooldowns and simply shut down trading and market access to people who don't want to use it. Give maybe two months notice for everyone to get rid of their inventory items and then lock the whole thing down.
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I had to answer this because it's frankly ridiculous.
lemme ask you couple of questions:
were we given the choice to us to use MA and market or not to use. You could say we were given if you believe that waiting 15 days to sell a card worth 3 cents is sensible or using MA to sell 10 3 cents cards increasing clicking tenfold and making it even more of a chore than it was is sensible. But let's face the facts, there was no choice given, either way we lose, if we accept MA or if we not. That's not a choice. That's killing the market.
How many people don't use market after this change? Yeah, all that didn't accept MA. So all who accepted it use market, surprise surprise! Those 95% mean absolutely nothing, it's 95% of people usually not spending much time on the market activities anyway.

Seriously? you think they haven't done enough, they plain have to stop people from buying stuff too when they already stopped them from selling? seriously?


As if you people don't know anything about propaganda, human history and corporate politics, never heard "it's for your own good" or "for your own protection" before and don't know what that entails in most cases.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's only a market, we'll survive just fine without it as far as our access to our games is not under question. But seeing how Valve behaves last three or so years, do you really believe it'll stop here?

Ask me in one year time, I might say you that me moving from gog to steam was worst gaming related decision I made in my life, I'm very close to admitting it.



unrelated edit: what's fig? it doesn't look like you are talking about a fruit


Hektor said:
The walking speed is too slow.
There is too much waiting involved.
The game didn't told me that upgrading my watering can means i won't be able to water my plants for the next few days and now my entire farm is fuckin dying.

I think that was it for me and stardew valley. Oh well.

€: Wait a minute, plants don't die when i don't water them for a day? GAMECHANGER
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you should turn on run in options and keep it that way. Nobody walks in this game.
 
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pantsattack

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rhophiehalul78 said:
The idea behind the Yeti being different from the portrait is this: At the monster town, he looks exactly like the portrait, shades and all because he's just being himself. During battle, they change their looks to be more natural looking or more monster like as they are acting up for the heroes. I think that might not be the best decision after all. Here is our Yeti during town:

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Also, our animator for the town is different for the animator in battle so their style is different. We thought FF7's Cloud's exploration model is different from Cloud's battle model so maybe we can also do that and it will be acceptable.

Lastly, Yeah I think we will hire a UI art specialist because right now all we have are placeholders. Thanks for the feedback.

On the other hand, what do you guys think about Hotline Miami's art? I can stand Papers Please art but not Hotline Miami. :(
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If they change to be in character maybe you can show the transformation, like in MASK. The hero alarm goes off on the wall and the monsters drop their day to day props and then put on the work clothes. It can be a gag where three monsters in a row do the change and then the yeti takes off his chain and looks in his work locker and it's empty, pause/wide shot/silence. Or give him a skull or club or sharper dentures.
 
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someguyinahat

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spindoctor said:
To be somewhat pedantic, there's a difference between trading and using the marketplace. That 95% number refers to trading which is the direct transfer of items from one account to another. It doesn't refer to how many market users are currently using the authenticator.
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Oh, even better. As soon as the authentication thing went up, lots of traders immediately refused trades from people who weren't authenticated, because they don't want to wait a few days. So the number is that high because non-authenticated people are essentially shut out of the trades.
 
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Ludens

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I can't pass Frozen Area 1 in Sonic Lost World. I reach a zone in which, no matter what, I end up on looping between two possible screens. I tried to take alternate routes, but I always end here.
 
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Parsnip

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Valve giveth, Valve taketh away.


Also has the dev of Stardew said anything about improving the gamepad controls? Moving a mouse cursor around with the sticks is a bit pants.
 
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Uraizen

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Red Hood said:
Oh that's a shame, great art "wasted" on a fighting game (never played it, maybe it's a good one at that). I was hoping for an RPG or exploration based game.
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I wouldn't want it "wasted" on an RPG or exploration game. Garou deserves the same eye candy treatment 3s gave us.
 
Haunted

Haunted

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Wait, is the Steam store actually the only way I can get a Steam Controller right now? (Germany)

I feel weird ordering hardware on Steam.
 
jediyoshi

jediyoshi

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Rayge said:
All I know is when I contact customer service at Origin I get a live person to chat to. That right there alone shits on EVERYTHING Valve has done in the last 13 or so years with STEAM.
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How is this contingent on a client?

Enter the Dragon Punch said:
Yeah, put words in my mouth, why don't you?

It's okay that you like the Steam client. It doesn't change that Origin runs a whole lot better, regardless of tacked on features or community. And I included BPM because it, like Steam normally does, runs poorly. It doesn't matter there isn't an equivalent on Origin.
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Why wouldn't it matter? How is something non-extant better than something that runs poorly for you. What is the use case in which you're running Origin, are unable to launch a BPM equivalent, and then say this has been a better experience fulfilling that function by virtue of not existing?
 
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sheaaaa

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Rayge said:
All I know is when I contact customer service at Origin I get a live person to chat to. That right there alone shits on EVERYTHING Valve has done in the last 13 or so years with STEAM.
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If this isn't sarcasm it's an almost unbelievable opinion.
 
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Dr Dogg

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dex3108 said:
There is no more Tier 2 EU :p
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Microsoft definition of Country Tiers. As in select regions get the goods on lauch day while the pauper nations get to look on at the guilded ones playing with their new toys not knowing when they get to play other than 'at a latter date'.
 
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Sch1sm

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Stallion Free said:
21 years of gaming.
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So, you hate any pixel art games? From Gunpoint to Papers, Please? Rogue Legacy? Nidhogg, Mercenary Kings? Super Meat Boy, FEZ, and Terraria?

I don't see what the problem with 8/16 bit games is, really. Sure, I haven't been gaming for 21 years since I'm only now 21, but I've never had any strong feelings either way for it.
 
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spindoctor

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Arthea said:
I had to answer this because it's frankly ridiculous.
lemme ask you couple of questions:
were we given the choice to us to use MA and market or not to use. You could say we were given if you believe that waiting 15 days to sell a card worth 3 cents is sensible or using MA to sell 10 3 cents cards increasing clicking tenfold and making it even more of a chore than it was is sensible. But let's face the facts, there was no choice given, either way we lose, if we accept MA or if we not. That's not a choice. That's killing the market.
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See this is what I mean by them implementing all sorts of strange half measures to keep the market open and still upsetting their customers. It's a lose-lose situation. If you think they've effectively killed the market anyway, why shouldn't they go ahead and actually kill it for people who don't want to jump through their hoops?

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating that this is what they should do. It just seems like one of the paths that is open to them because of how surprisingly high adoption of the authenticator seems to be.

Arthea said:
How many people don't use market after this change? Yeah, all that didn't accept MA. So all who accepted it use market, surprise surprise! Those 95% mean absolutely nothing, it's 95% of people usually not spending much time on the market activities anyway.
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Like I said in my previous post, I think that 95% they were referring to was for direct trades and not market trades. The post went up before they enforced the market cooldown. I reckon they are gathering data right now to see how much it affects the revenues and transactions in the market to see what their next step should be.

Arthea said:
Seriously? you think they haven't done enough, they plain have to stop people from buying stuff too when they already stopped them from selling? seriously?
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They haven't stopped anyone from doing anything. They've made it inconvenient to use an optional feature of the service they provide. Everyone makes their own personal judgement on whether the inconvenience is too much for them.

Arthea said:
As if you people don't know anything about propaganda, human history and corporate politics, never heard "it's for your own good" or "for your own protection" before and don't know what that entails in most cases.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's only a market, we'll survive just fine without it as far as our access to our games is not under question. But seeing how Valve behaves last three or so years, do you really believe it'll stop here?
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Yeah dude I don't know what to say to any of this.

someguyinahat said:
Oh, even better. As soon as the authentication thing went up, lots of traders immediately refused trades from people who weren't authenticated, because they don't want to wait a few days. So the number is that high because non-authenticated people are essentially shut out of the trades.
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That blog post also said that trade volumes were as high as ever. So either authenticator users started trading much more to cover the gap or a majority of people who trade are activating the authenticator on their account anyway.
 
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