AHA-Lambda
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Yeah I hit that about then too. It doesn't really get better after then.
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Yeah I hit that about then too. It doesn't really get better after then.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Alternative reading: Blizzard removes sexy pose from character who has no in-character reason to do a sexy pose, keeps it for character that does have in-game reason to do sexy pose.
Phawx
Member
The crying cinches it.
Jawmuncher
Member
But what reason does anyone have to be sexy in Overwatch? But I get what you mean, I don't really care that it's gone. I just always fine the extreme reactions from both sides interesting. Not saying that yours is that. I don't even know what I'm asking.
Baron von Loathsome
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A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Overwatch is so lame, that was a dumb pose. This whole thing reminds me why the games industry is so childish.
This idea of calling it censorship is over dramatic.
Jawmuncher
Member
Both sides look ridiculous really
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well if it's out of character might as well change it to something more suitable.
I don't think either looks better than the other really.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Sure, which is why I called it childish. Overly reactive "tumblr" posts are just as bad as people calling censorship, or too PC.
But really, poses like that and other oversexualized characters are really something lame. Like pit girls in motorsports, just cringy nowadays.
ramoisdead
Member
If you don't buy the latest indie games or even some games from the big publishers, it's usually worth it. If you happen to own a lot of games in your library, then I would be a bit hesitant.
Phawx
Member
No one has any reason to be sexy in Overwatch. They should either be angst-ridden due to impending death in a gauntlet of killing or well, I guess emotionless because they are war-hardened. I'm not really sure of the emotional range for people put in the circumstance.
At a personal level, I don't subscribe to the notion of X in video games does Y to people. It seems like it will always be a fight. The violence one we won. The perceived objectification is a rather regressive stance and one that I don't follow. If there is one thing, regardless of the person's intelligence, people know when they are being pandered too.
It is surprising that this pandering image:
is considered to be more of a problem then this subversive image:
It literally has, 'Mama' and 'Kitchen' in the title.
Ultimately I don't care about this wave of "Won't somebody think of the children!". I don't play video games because the protagonist is a white male. I don't play video games because of pandering titties. I play them because they are fun or interesting or scary or etc.
Edit: I should probably add for anyone that feels because I am a white male that I've 'had-my-fill', so of course it doesn't matter to me. Just to be perfectly clear, I am completely A-Okay with games being diverse, non-offensive, whatever. A diverse, non-offensive, whatever game can still fill my criteria of 'fun, interesting, scary, etc'
Eh, without seeing it animated it just looks like the standard stupid Marvel cover po--
Oh, I see people have already pointed that out. Well...
LurkerPrime
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Why did they get rid of the cuddlies?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I'm someone who has never seen Overwatch besides the leaked Kotaku screenshots, has no interest in the garbage MOBA FPS genre, and hasn't played more than a few hours of a Blizzard game since about 2000. All of this is stuff I figured out by Googling over the last few minutes.
Widowmaker, according to the Overwatch wiki, is characterized as an amoral "living weapon", willing to do anything to get the kill. This is in keeping with the "femme fatale" character archetype which has a long cultural history, going back as far as Lillith in the bible. The temptress, the seductress, the Siren, Mata Hari. We have lots of cultural references for this: the use of outward sex appeal to deceive or manipulate, ruthlessness, violence. Widowmaker has an ass-pose on her victory screen.
Tracer, again according to the Overwatch wiki, seems to be inspired by Amelia Earhart. She wears a pilot bomber jacket and goggles. She's literally a test pilot in the game's canon. She appears to have a very light-hearted, goofy personality. Manic pixie dream girl, maybe.
The complaint argues (excerpting for length, not to change the argument):
Seems to me like the complainant, who again was successful so obviously the character designers themselves believe s/he has a point, has a similar understanding of the characters as what I was able to derive by checking on them.
This point was made at the time, which is one reason why Mama branched out (Camping Mama, Gardening Mama, Crafting Mama) and why the sequel included male characters.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Riot has a terrible art team, same with Blizzard. Something about that style rubs me the wrong way.
If Blizzard wanted to copy TF2, then take a lesson from their character design.
Thanks for your own views on the first two F.E.A.R games....I came straight from the Dead Space trilogy looking for something with a creepy element which is why the series caught my attention. That and it was mega cheap on Bundlestars! I actually had to look up a lot of the plot of the first game so I had a better idea of what went on.....I know for some people that would count as a plus for being multi-faceted, but a lot of what was supposed to have happened
(the attack on the water plant, i think?, I only got vague hints about that during the game)
I was actually hoping for more info about Point Man's background beyond being a failure at telepathic soldier control.
I'll let you know if and when I survive the experience.....
Jawmuncher
Member
Interesting. I didn't even know there was that much info on the characters out.
Phawx
Member
Agreed on the MOBA stuff. Just can't get into it. But you gotta try Hearthstone if you haven't. Really excellent digital card game.
At what time?
spindoctor
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I imagine one must live a charmed life if minor things like this can upset them (and I include both getting worked up by the pose and then getting annoyed that it's being changed).
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
At the time that Cooking Mama was at the peak of its popularity, selling multi-million units. The publisher is defunct now.
i think the second one looks tons better but neither of those are final. the second splash art is taken from the chinese version of the game and they're just using chinese splashes that look better than the western ones while they work on redrawing them for realsies
idk, asking myself the same question
i don't agree, league had a terrible art style on release but it's been forever since there's been bad champion designs and that's just a picture of an old character
these days specially they've been exploring the more whimsical and fairy tale aspect of the game and the characters just look amazing
then they redid the map which looks really clean and colorful and pretty imo, considering it runs on pretty much any toaster
(couldn't find any more pictures quickly)
like i understand not liking the art style but league's art team is super good
i can't speak much for blizzard but i'm a big fan of the character designs in overwatch. the characters look like modernized 90s cartoon action heroes which is totally awesome and now that tf2 isn't the only game that figured out silhuetting it's doing a lot of those same things (league does this too) with silhuetting, points of interest, posing and animation, color gradients and color design in general, etc.
so yea idk, i think you just don't like those designs, tf2 has a great and unique artstyle, but yeah i'm not accepting blizz and rito having bad art teams, that's just silly
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
I wasn't talking about technical skill. Just that everything looks the same regardless of their products.
Stallion Free
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League art still looks terrible.
i guess you don't mean league cos rito doesn't really have products lol
i mean, considering many of their games are on the same universe (warcraft-wow, hearthstone, hots and everything) it'd be kind of bad if it didn't
but overwatch at least looks pretty distinct from the rest. there's a few bulky dudes in armor but you have everything from ninjas to like monk robots to korean girls riding mechas to spawn to a gorilla scientist dude to cowboys etc.
i can entertain the idea of saying "not as good as doto" or whatever, but i think if you see those screenshots from the game and you think that's terrible then idk what to tell you
what's not terrible then
i mean, considering many of their games are on the same universe (warcraft-wow, hearthstone, hots and everything) it'd be kind of bad if it didn't
but overwatch at least looks pretty distinct from the rest. there's a few bulky dudes in armor but you have everything from ninjas to like monk robots to korean girls riding mechas to spawn to a gorilla scientist dude to cowboys etc.
compared to something or altogether?
i can entertain the idea of saying "not as good as doto" or whatever, but i think if you see those screenshots from the game and you think that's terrible then idk what to tell you
what's not terrible then
The Dear Leader
Banned
Bad Deviant Art the game.
-MD-
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Are we still trying to call Overwatch a MOBA? Is any game where your character has abilities a MOBA now?
Accurate.
Accurate.
texhnolyze
Banned
I'm not sure if Overwatch should be considered as a MOBA or not.
I think I should watch a newer trailer or two.
I think I should watch a newer trailer or two.
What "extreme reactions" did people even hear about the butt pose prior to removal? They got feedback, they removed it. There wasn't some twitter campaign or petition. There wasn't a thread here about it.
Not everything removed from a game is a reaction to some giant movement to take away your fan service.
Not everything removed from a game is a reaction to some giant movement to take away your fan service.
LurkerPrime
Member
League's art style succeeds at being recognizable, even if it started really bad and low-fi.
Does the loadscreen art finally match up with the models in-game? That was always the most unfortunate part of its art.
It's a team-based shooter like TF2.
But focused on the best TF2 mode, arena.
Does the loadscreen art finally match up with the models in-game? That was always the most unfortunate part of its art.
It's a team-based shooter like TF2.
But focused on the best TF2 mode, arena.
Considering the arguments presented and the character lore, that seems like a legitimate reason to remove that pose.
They could add that pose to Widowmaker and no one would bat an eye... Of course it's the internet,someone will assuredly be offended somewhere, regardless of logical reasoning.
They could add that pose to Widowmaker and no one would bat an eye... Of course it's the internet,someone will assuredly be offended somewhere, regardless of logical reasoning.
texhnolyze
Banned
Yes, that's what I remember as well. It's an arena FPS game like TF2, nothing like MOBA.
The main signature features of MOBA are the creeps and lines they're assigned to.
Anyway, speaking of which, apparently Paragon is doing quite well even in the current state.
I honestly didn't expect it. The game didn't quite get a good attention/reception on the initial reveals in the past few months. But people seem to enjoy the beta/early access.
Widowmaker has the pose already, and it was kept it for her, because it fits her.
http://i.imgur.com/BuAnvuY.png
Phawx
Member
How bout that. I just searched right now and I can't find anything. The only thing I've found is some PETA controversy with Cooking Mama (which I also didn't know happened as well as some people suggesting that the PETA controversy is why they branched out) I've never investigated the series personally, I've only ever had the cover art to form an opinion about it. My point still stands: Cooking Mama as the cover art (if reinforcing behavior is impactful through imagery alone) is the same as these images in shopping magazines:
I'll admit that I don't follow this wave too closely, but of all the video series on sexism in pop culture and LGBT being mentioned, (including a cursory google search just now) no one ever mentioned Cooking Mama. IMHO, out of all the media that can 'brainwash' people, I could at least understand the reasoning behind 'reinforcing' negative stereotypes through all of Cooking Mama's box art.
I personally think Cooking Mama box art is regressive. But it's also wholesome, PG, good-for-the-whole-family. And it's subversive that way.
But people only mention the bombastic stuff. /shrug
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Butt cleavage is hilariously bad. people think this looks good?
man i'm surprised people are so salty about league art
i don't get it, "bad deviantart" sounds like a really bad way of putting whatever you're trying to say
it's a fps with characters designed as if they were moba characters (as in, they have a passive, basic abilities and an ultimate)
for older characters and skins riot has been slowly changing the art so it better matches their current standards. new splashes and new models better match each other, and some characters are completely redesigned
i don't get it, "bad deviantart" sounds like a really bad way of putting whatever you're trying to say
it's not a moba
it's a fps with characters designed as if they were moba characters (as in, they have a passive, basic abilities and an ultimate)
yeah, the characters and skins released in the past 4 years or so have been like that.
for older characters and skins riot has been slowly changing the art so it better matches their current standards. new splashes and new models better match each other, and some characters are completely redesigned
Given how many people are super upset it was taken away from Tracer, I suppose so.
texhnolyze
Banned
Yes, that's the thing that actually pushed me away from LoL. I have a partial color-blindness.
You have to make your own profile in Inspector. Create a new profile, add the trails executable, then set like this:
Looks like Dark Souls 3 is the latest Steam Controller promo game:
http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/276/
90 bucks for DS3 + controller.
http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/276/
90 bucks for DS3 + controller.
Phawx
Member
Speaking of Overwatch, it really is unfortunate for the Monday Night Combat guys. Perhaps if they made the game F2P in the beginning it would have been a different story. But now all the new hotness are Overwatch, Paragon, Paladins.
MNC and SMNC just seemed to come out or pivot at the wrong times.
Edit: Unrelated but cool news, Contra is coming to Android:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQwT7U1XDdY
MNC and SMNC just seemed to come out or pivot at the wrong times.
Edit: Unrelated but cool news, Contra is coming to Android:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQwT7U1XDdY
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