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STEAM | October 2014 - Proper PC gamers buy a Wii U and Bayonetta 2
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MarcoZombieCannon
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I don't see why not being able to get new releases at half price means you're going to wait until they're $5, instead of waiting until they're half price.
electroflame
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Even under those circumstances, I'm still going to some place that has it less than full price (coupon, discount, etc.).
I never pay $60 on day one for a standard edition of a game. Especially if it's digital.
Personally, I would have skipped most of them at $60 too if consoles were the only option. Remove the discounts and you'll get less purchases from me. No impulse buys, no word of mouth, nothing. Maybe you (not you, but devs) don't care about one less purchase; if so, more power to you. We'll both live to make it to the next day either way, probably.
only that's not how it works, basically what steam (or better to say PC gaming) does it makes us buy much more games because they are cheaper, meaning we buy games we don't need all the time, because price is affordable and this way we spend more (and in fact much more) than we would if we only buy games we really want and will play, for full price. It maybe is worse for one separately viewed dev of very successful game, but it's actually better for a lot of them. That's why we get more not that successful games ported, everybody knows about it. Also you are conveniently forgetting hat PC games keep selling much much much much longer than console ones. So you trade big one time profit, for one smaller that keeps getting you some income for years.
When it finally it reaches half price:
-It no longers hold my interest to play it right away like a new release would
-When it reaches half price you don't really have to wait much more for the 5$/7.5$ to happen. At that point I will just get through my backlog until it reaches that price point.
edit: basically what iashman and corrosivefrost said.
This is NeoGAF either Russian prices or $5 sales.
Idk there are some exception where I would break that rule. Tales games on PC, .Hack// games or maybe AC:Unity and Dragon Age Inquisition.
Valve just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Steam culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is on Origin where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over on Steam you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the gaming public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase new Steam games, nor will they purchase any of Valve's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Valve has alienated an entire market with this move.
Valve, publicly apologize and cancel region locking or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Steam culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is on Origin where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over on Steam you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the gaming public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase new Steam games, nor will they purchase any of Valve's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Valve has alienated an entire market with this move.
Valve, publicly apologize and cancel region locking or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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~1 hour, got to the big grinding wheel boss (Papa Carlo) on my first run
No bullshit so far
MarcoZombieCannon
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Most people I've seen really talking about it aren't /s about this right now, which is great. I guess.
Maybe someone still doesn't have it 
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Jawmuncher
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Just got my Xcom key and played the tutorial mission.
Where is this coupon supposed to pop up?
Where is this coupon supposed to pop up?
I think you have to play for an hour at least. It should be in an email.
The Dear Leader
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About the only thing that will change for me is impulse buys, a $20 game that I can get for less than $10 via a trader is a good enough reason for me to try something I probably wouldn't have otherwise.
MarcoZombieCannon
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Looks like I cashed out just in time
to buy it all back at way less than I got for selling them
Jawmuncher
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What if I already have 2 hours accumulated?
So, uh, what's the current attitude regarding Steam DRM? It isn't required, of course, but I personally feel as though Steam DRM is basically the most minimal evil possible.
Truth is, developers DO get blasted pretty hard via piracy sometimes. Would I suffer a backlash just by including the standard "please have Steam open to run this game" stuff?
Truth is, developers DO get blasted pretty hard via piracy sometimes. Would I suffer a backlash just by including the standard "please have Steam open to run this game" stuff?
MarcoZombieCannon
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Supposedly we're supposed to get the coupon automatically or something? I dunno where or how it shows up though, so I'm kinda confused by the whole thing.
any DRM can be cracked so therefore any DRM is utterly pointless for pirates
Kurt Russell
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Publishers saying stuff like "we don't do PC ports because people want to buy our product at $20 instead of $60" forget that console games can usually be traded in or even sold second hand. We don't have that luxury.
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Games get their DRMs patched by pirates on the day they release, so I don't think putting Steam CEG on your game will have a meaningful impact on piracy. Though, the Steam CEG is a pretty bland and minimal DRM so I don't think there would be a backlash at all. Having your game being DRM-free might be a bonus for some people though.
Glass Rebel
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It seems that most people don't even know that this is an option and think that every game sold on Steam requires Steam to run. So I can't really imagine it impacting your game in any meaningful way.
Jawmuncher
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People don't remember when Splinter Cell Chaos Theory came out and it was a few months before anyone cracked it.
I recently got a 25% off Mordor season pass of them because I played Mordor. They sent a email with the code. I assume it will be the same here.
so you mean devs monitor for valve? You still need someone to coordinate, compile and analyze that and by someone I mean a lot of people and even then there sales outside of steam
I ran the game for an hour earlier (I'd had more than an hour of playtime already) and got an email with the voucher from GMG.
Well, it wouldn't have much of an effect on traditional torrent piracy. It still might have an effect on more the casual "here let me copy these files to a thumbdrive" type stuff, but then, do I really even want to eliminate that?
Not...the people pirating it?
A thing that doesn't happen 99% of the times though. Recent cases are like... Football Manager on it's first months I believe? A quick search through torrent sites seems to indicate that Steam CEG titles are not that well protected.
I think that the number of people that do that kind of thing are a very very very minimal portion, it would barely impact anything at all. (especially because they could just go and download it from a torrent). And as I said, it's a plus for people who prefer DRM-free and might want to play their games without starting Steam or ven playing it on their own devices that don't have steam installed.
Hate to break it to you, but in Valve's business, monitoring sales data is a lot more important than fussing about with greenlight.
It's important to you, it's important to a lot of small developers, but for Valve it's a lot of work for a small fraction of their business.
MarcoZombieCannon
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Thanks guys. Hmm, guess I'll play it or let it run a while and see what happens.
LurkerPrime
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Steam is so nebulous about which games work in which manner that most people probably won't notice. For example, I never notice until someone points it out. Maybe that's just because I only launch Steam games from the library, though.
That said, some people will notice and some of them will make a fuss about it. There will also be some people that are left in the cold by such decisions - there always is.
Just, please, never consider always-online, limited activation, or malware-esque DRM (those ones that mess with CD burners and stuff like that) and you'll get no complains from me. And remember that, ultimately, GOG is the future.
RavenValor95
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Legend of Korra Behind the Scenes Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cyix11wWNE&feature=youtu.be
Spoilers for the end of Book 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cyix11wWNE&feature=youtu.be
Spoilers for the end of Book 2.
I think having Steam actually makes people not want to pirate a game, of course it needs to be heavily integrated into the Steam eco-system such as friends, stats, achievements, cards and all that extra fluff to make people think twice about pirating it. You will still have that 5% who would prefer a DRM who in most cases would more likely pay full price for it rather than waiting for a sale, it's a mixed boat, you can either embrace Steam and sell thousands of copies in a flash sale and have a slow trickle or have a DRM free version that will get barely noticed but will have more buyers who actually play the game. You can please both crowds by just hosting a DRM free version, depending on bandwidth/cost.
At this time, if you don't have your game on Steam you might as well not bother making a game if you want to see a profit.
that post wasn't about greenlight though
Jawmuncher
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Resident Evil Revelations 2 is already up for preorder on PSN.
The steam page should be hitting soon then.
The steam page should be hitting soon then.
I'm not really that surprised when you put all the elements together. Primarily PC dev with good history on scalable engines (we'll let the Empire and Rome II launch issues slide), first person view point with the enviornement more of the focus than characters/AI meaning less variable resources and more focus on effects and slower paced gameplay isn't going to have you running from area to area streaming in masses of assets.
What I'm really surprised about is how a flipping primarily Strategy game dev can make one of the best movie franchise/tie-ins I've ever played with little to no experience in the concepts they have shown here. Sound design is spot on as is the atmosphere. Saying that I'm a big wimp and only playing it in small chunks so I don't scare myself shitless. Would be an awesome game to sell me on VR and the Rift but I think it might do me in.
AHA-Lambda
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arts&crafts
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It just said I will recieve an email within 24 hours with the key
He's asking about releasing the game on Steam and it being drm-free or using the steam ceg drm solution. You can release drm-free games on steam and still have steamworks features.
MarcoZombieCannon
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It's had a page for a while, but hopefully it'll have a price and be purchasable soon.
Glass Rebel
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Not...the people pirating it?
I'm not sure I get your question? I mean that most people just take Steam running in the background for granted and that disabling the requirement won't affect piracy one way or another.
i don't really mind, i was just gonna give it away here, but you know i feel i deserve something after voting in that silly thing
You don't have to be online for the vast majority of games. DRM is not required by Valve. It is completely up to the developer/publisher. Some games are truly independent, able to launch without even using offline mode. You can backup the entire folder to a separate hard drive, if you want to do something like reinstall your system without downloading all your games again. You can mod as you see fit. You can back up your physical saves if you want. It's not obnoxious or intrusive (uplay).
In the eventuality that Valve ever goes out of business and Steam goes offline, I can easily make my games playable with a little help from other PC users.
So I think it's perfectly fine.
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