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STEAM | September 2014 - Nice thread. Btw, Bayonetta 2 is out next month.

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Shadownet

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It can only go uphill for you now.
Wise words my friend.

what happen ?

I asked a guy from work on Sunday last week if he could cover my shift today because I have school stuff and I need to be out of town. I gave him the Ass. Manager number to call. He said he did and I was like awesome. I reminded him via text last night that he need to be at work tomorrow. The Ass. Manager text me 30 mins ago saying that I need to show up to work because the other guy can't make it. Well damn, I'm out of town. I don't even have my car and I won't make it back in time anyway. He said figure something out or don't bother coming to work again. So I told him then I guess I'll resign/ get terminated, whatever. I said my goodbye and stuff. Then I texted the manager and told him what happened and said goodbye. Feels kinda good to be out of that company though.
 

Ozium

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Once again, you're talking about "kinetic" novels. Visual novels are defined by having human input, or interactivity, by making choices.

Think of it as a video game equivalent to a gamebook/choose your own adventure book but generally with pictures, sounds, music, etc.

I know what it is.. I'm saying it's not a game.. and yes I'm tlaking about Kinetic novels since that was the game being discussed

unless you believe that Charles Dickens is a famous Victorian-era games designer.
 

Tellaerin

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What's wrong with reading a book with pictures and sound and controlling the pace?
That's still a game.

I don't see anything wrong with kinetic novels, but I wouldn't call them "games". That's not meant to put them down, though - it's just a matter of nomenclature. Classifying something as a "game" means there's some sort of challenge to overcome, and a win state for the player to strive for as an end goal. KNs don't really fit the definition of "game".

EDIT: I'm referring specifically to kinetic novels, not visual novels.
 

Ozium

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If you can interact and its on a game platform its a game in my eyes. I don't see gaming as having to be some crazy stuff.

Don't you consider the mountain a game?

The point is that this "game" advertises itself as having no interaction required.
Mountain is digital art imo, and it's more interactive than any VN I've played.
 
Not really I'm giving away my codes to friends.

Have I told you that I like you?

I always uninstall games when finished

Me too. Well, there are games that are never finished, but games with a campaign? Depends, I guess, on if I have 100% or am going for 100%, but yes. I uninstall as soon as possible to reclaim space. Having a 3TB drive with < 500gb is a great motivator to start clearing larger games from the backlog.

can you feel it

Not really.
 

Chariot

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lol... are you VN fans going to argue that VNs are games and not just really expensive fanfics with pictures to look at? also why ar they called "kinetic novels" when they require less movement than reading a book?

edit sorry for double post
Yes, yes they're games. Because you usually not just read a book, because even the most passive Visual Novels have choices. Now, that's not always true, some are straight books (Narcissu) or have only one insignificant choice (Sakura Spirit), but it can be, is what I'm saying. Plus, a lot of Visual Novels also have other elements like time management (Cherry Tree High, Long Live the Queen and a bunch of dating sims), puzzles (999, Phoenix Wright) or even conquest (Sengoku Rance).
Visual Novels is a wide genre and saying that all VNs are just books, is like claiming RPG's are turn-based adventures with freaky teenagers.
I asked a guy from work on Sunday last week if he could cover my shift today because I have school stuff and I need to be out of town. I gave him the Ass. Manager number to call. He said he did and I was like awesome. I reminded him via text last night that he need to be at work tomorrow. The Ass. Manager text me 30 mins ago saying that I need to show up to work because the other guy can't make it. Well damn, I'm out of town. I don't even have my car and I won't make it back in time anyway. He said figure something out or don't bother coming to work again. So I told him then I guess I'll resign/ get terminated, whatever. I said my goodbye and stuff. Then I texted the manager and told him what happened and said goodbye. Feels kinda good to be out of that company though.
Damn, what a fucking guy.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
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  • Radium (GL)
  • Elements:Soul of Fire (GL)
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  • Pirated Pirates (GL)
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DIG's system for receiving Steam keys is pretty archaic. Basically, unless the provided key is a Steam key, you have to send an e-mail to hello@dailyindiegame.com requesting one because the Desura keys it distributes are only good for the Desura version of the games (i.e. they don't include Steam keys even if the product listings on Desura say they're included). One Day for Ched, for example, should be a Steam key, but it isn't, so you're going to have to ask for one.
 
That feel when a PS1 game needed 15 blocks on your memory card though...just greedy.

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Tellaerin

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If there's challenge and consequence, it's a game.

If there isn't, it's not.

Kinetic Novel where you're just reading an illustrated story and flipping pages (or letting the program flip them for you)? Not a game.

Visual Novel where you need to consider your options and make the right choices to reach the "best" ending (whether in an absolute sense or just the one you want most)? Game. There's a challenge there, and the player needs to use skill to overcome it (in this case, reading and decision-making skills).


I asked a guy from work on Sunday last week if he could cover my shift today because I have school stuff and I need to be out of town. I gave him the Ass. Manager number to call. He said he did and I was like awesome. I reminded him via text last night that he need to be at work tomorrow. The Ass. Manager text me 30 mins ago saying that I need to show up to work because the other guy can't make it. Well damn, I'm out of town. I don't even have my car and I won't make it back in time anyway. He said figure something out or don't bother coming to work again. So I told him then I guess I'll resign/ get terminated, whatever. I said my goodbye and stuff. Then I texted the manager and told him what happened and said goodbye. Feels kinda good to be out of that company though.

"Ass Manager" is right. : / Hope you find something better soon.
 

Arthea

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you guys lied to me... RE6 complete is region locked too...
Also I still don't understand why search can't find it, complete I mean, in database.
 

A Fish Aficionado

I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
I know what it is.. I'm saying it's not a game.. and yes I'm tlaking about Kinetic novels since that was the game being discussed

unless you believe that Charles Dickens is a famous Victorian-era games designer.
Great Expectations point and click?


I do want a Victorian horror game or whaling Moby dick game.
 

Arthea

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I see we again have "VN aren't games" talk.
and I'll remind you again that language is nothing else than agreement, that we can understand each other, so if we call VN games, and you understand us, they are games ;)
Now if you were not, then we would be using this word wrong
 

Turfster

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I haven't played it. Are there any obstacles to your progress (figurative or literal) that you're forced to work around to get past? Anything that requires some form of player skill to overcome?
Do jumping puzzles, 'stealth' sections and enemies that steal parts of your scarf count?
(Journey is an awesome game)
 
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