STEAM | September 2017 - Summer Ys Ending

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Stumpokapow said:
i don't like people who make money getting theatrically angry about shit that doesn't matter while standing surrounded by walls of nerd garbage. that's kind a non-negotiable moral value i have and i apply it universally.
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Jim doesnt make money from his yt videos iirc
For the most part he has a paetreon account
 
Tizoc said:
Jim doesnt make money from his yt videos iirc
For the most part he has a paetreon account
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He does, the only videos that are not monetized are the Jimquisition episodes.
The patreon is also specifically for the Jimquisition show, so saying he doesn't make money from those videos is a bit silly.
 
Pixieking said:
Honestly, why not both? A couple of paragraphs about the game, and a disclaimer-style sentence saying there's DRM, and that negatively affected enjoyment. Or reverse it, and have the DRM warning as the first thing someone sees.

So many reviews are just four lines - three about the DRM, and one simple "Game is good" about the game. I get that the game has DRM, but is it otherwise a good game? If so, why did you like it? If you bought it just to leave a review about the DRM, say that. The publishers are going to know anyways.

It's just so infuriating. I literally don't bother reading reviews for games I know have DRM, because there's just no value to them, for me.
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I agree completely! People should be as thorough as possible when leaving reviews for games and honestly I would prefer to hear about all aspects of the game: purchase, redemption (if applicable), installation, DRM, and yes even the game itself and your thoughts.

Rhaknar said:
so you dont recomend games to your friends, you recomend products.

or do you say "great game, but be warned, it has X drm"?
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I feel like I'm more uniquely qualified to definitively answer this since Enhanced Steam literally warns hundreds of thousands of users every month about the potential pitfalls of included 3rd party DRM. I've played a few really great games on PC that have really shitty DRM. Other times the game is pretty "Meh" and the publisher's choice of DRM is the deciding factor that puts it into the "would not recommend" category for me. Obviously, I feel people should have all of the facts about their purchase up-front.

someguyinahat said:
Let's keep in mind Steam requires purchase (or installation if a free-to-play game) before one is allowed to write a review. Thus, you can't chime in without purchasing and say "I played this game on my PS4 and it's good." You're reviewing the Steam version only. That requirement lends credence to the "product review" idea.
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This is also a good point, unlike other sites like Amazon or Newegg that let you review products without a verified purchase, Steam requires one. They're even further segmenting these reviews by lumping the "Steam Purchasers" and "Other" categories and giving more weight to those who purchased directly on Steam.

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The bottom line is that DRM doesn't always make or break a product's reviews. Life is Strange: Before the Storm currently has 1,288 positive reviews and only 50 negative ones even though it includes Denuvo DRM whose disclosure is hidden at the very bottom of the product EULA and isn't even mentioned on the store page and was withheld until the day before release.
Note to self: expand Enhanced Steam's DRM check to check the product's EULA for keywords so publishers don't get away with this kind of shit.

I glanced through most of the "relevant" reviews presented to me and didn't see anyone talking about Denuvo or DRM at all. This could just be ignorance on the part of users (since it's relatively unobtrusive under normal operating conditions if implemented correctly) but it's probably also just the fact that people really enjoy the game and feel an emotional connection to it so they want to evangelize it to others.

For the record, I think "review bombing" is only a problem because it seems to be the only way we as consumers have of telling publishers that we collectively don't agree with their business practices in a way that actually has the ability to affect their bottom line. If publishers listened to customers on these types of decisions before making them, it wouldn't be necessary.
 
i think review bombing is perfectly fine, aggregate scoring is useless...

only positive thing about reviews in steam is they allow people to voice discontent and gives them power to pressure publishers that would otherwise not give a shit about them

if anything, people need more tools like this to fight back against bullshit

sadly more often than not it gets used for mostly pointless stuff like denuvo instead of all the actually rotten things publishers do
 
Knurek said:
It's a harem anime.
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BernardoOne said:
He does, the only videos that are not monetized are the Jimquisition episodes.
The patreon is also specifically for the Jimquisition show, so saying he doesn't make money from those videos is a bit silly.
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Hmmm dunno if pAtreon counts since it is up to the viewer if theyd want to pay to firther support that youtuber, for example.
Though if by 'given money' falls into the same category as making money in this cAse, eh i would see what u mean
 
Tizoc said:
Jim doesnt make money from his yt videos iirc
For the most part he has a paetreon account
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this is like saying that a casino doesn't make money from people playing cards because people enter, exchange cash for chips, and then bet chips while playing cards.

there's not a version of this conversation that ends with me respecting people who spend their lives recording rant videos while standing next to piles of nerd detritus, and there's not a version of this conversation where adding money to the equation doesn't make it even more gauche than it already is. i'm in my thirties, i'm married, and i'm well past the point in my life where i find epic booyas coming from a dude in a trenchcoat to be worthy of admiration.
 
Review Bombing is fine, even if its because of draconian DRM.

Remember the time you were only allowed to install games 5 times?
Denuvo itself in Sonic Mania seems to be "always online" for now.
 
So I was here hoping for a sale on the Steam controller, seems I didn't have to wait long.:D Just ordered one. Been playing a bit with my new computer and just using the trackpad is still little weird in games like Civ 6, so I think the Steam controller might be better even for games like that.
 
Stumpokapow said:
this is like saying that a casino doesn't make money from people playing cards because people enter, exchange cash for chips, and then bet chips while playing cards.

there's not a version of this conversation that ends with me respecting people who spend their lives recording rant videos while standing next to piles of nerd detritus, and there's not a version of this conversation where adding money to the equation doesn't make it even more gauche than it already is. i'm in my thirties, i'm married, and i'm well past the point in my life where i find epic booyas coming from a dude in a trenchcoat to be worthy of admiration.
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it's weird you find him being surrounded with nerd shit so insulting tho...
 
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i guess it's meant to be darkly humorous or something but it is kind of disturbing how delighted la noire seems to be about sending people to the gas chamber

specially when the game makes sure to let you know that yeah, none of these people are guilty and the zodiac or whoever is the actual murderer. this is not really a spoiler, it's the pervasive idea the game very explicitly communicates to you that all these confessions and all this condemning evidence are nothing more than red herrings set up by the real killer

and while this suits a noir detective story, it makes for a really strange feeling in a videogame in which you're supposed to be actually investigating these cases

and you close these cases oftentimes with impossible to challenge evidence, you usually find the murder weapon or the victim's belongings at a suspect's apartment and game then takes over and sends them to death row

and i love the movie zodiac, i think trying to investigate a case like that and from a game's perspective is probably fascinating but this is such a strange way to go about it, specially cos you just keep sending these people to literally hang, with absolute certainty they're all innocent, but you know, this is the evidence the game gave me. i mean, all those husbands did indeed have the bloody hatchet sitting next to their bedside cabinets

it's weird

also i've begun to use intuition a lot and do sidequests just to get more detective points so i can intuition out of sticky situations more often. that's actually kind of a neat system, if only those side missions weren't complete shit
 
I'm not paying for sex. I'm paying them to leave.

Officer, please. I need to be up at 3AM Pacific to get my figma order in.
 
Took a look at Grimoire's reviews, which are fairly predictable. I thought perhaps there was a chance it might be okay. On the other hand scrolling down reveals not everyone is completely disappointed by it (only one review users though?).
 
NeoRaider said:
I just started Life is Strange: Before the Storm on Steam and i saw Unity logo... wasn't original LiS UE3? I know that this is done by different team but... why Unity??
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Huh, weird.
But I guess that means that Denuvo will be cracked even faster only proving how utterly pointless it was to add it in in the first place.
 
Parsnip said:
Huh, weird.
But I guess that means that Denuvo will be cracked even faster only proving how utterly pointless it was to add it in in the first place.
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*checks /r/crackwatch
"Life Is Strange : Before the Storm Episode 1 partially cracked by Steam006"
submitted 7 hours ago
 
Who else reads out loud what is being said, and makes a girly voice when Estelle speaks and a boy voice when Joshua speaks? Basically who else changed up their voices depending on who speaks in Trails in the Sky?

I'm in love with Estelle.
 
Aaron D. said:
But...you posted support repeatedly in that thread suggesting everyone should Review Bomb any devs who have Denuvo DRM attached to their games.
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that's not the position i posted in that thread (by contrast, i do remember your weird "entitlement generation" post),.. and i'm not making rant videos about the position i did actually have in that thread... and i don't have walls of wrestler figurines... and your strawman version of my position there is not really connected with my position here... and if the positions were the same it wouldn't undermine my position here... and it wouldn't be relevant anyway because i'm not asking for anyone to respect or like me for posting on a message board (and certainly not to pay me, jeez, in fact i think i've made a net $-200 or so posting on gaf)... but yes apart from those things, A+ comparison
 
Pachimari said:
Who else reads out loud what is being said, and makes a girly voice when Estelle speaks and a boy voice when Joshua speaks? Basically who else changed up their voices depending on who speaks in Trails in the Sky?

I'm in love with Estelle.
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Every true GAF member is in love with Estelle.

Estelle is love. Estelle is life.
 
To finally be able to play Civilisation VI, I actually felt genuine joy haha. Though I already feel that I might get little to crazy with it, all that "just one more turn" is real.
 
Stumpokapow said:
that's not the position i posted in that thread (by contrast, i do remember your weird "entitlement generation" post),.. and i'm not making rant videos about the position i did actually have in that thread... and i don't have walls of wrestler figurines... and your strawman version of my position there is not really connected with my position here... and if the positions were the same it wouldn't undermine my position here... and it wouldn't be relevant anyway because i'm not asking for anyone to respect or like me for posting on a message board (and certainly not to pay me, jeez, in fact i think i've made a net $-200 or so posting on gaf)... but yes apart from those things, A+ comparison
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This reminded me of that old Johnnyram post about being too important to post on GAF for free.
 
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Lain said:
What if the Steam and Windows Store and X1 versions have Denuvo?!
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I actually wanted to have the Steam version be DRM free as well, but I also wanted Steamworks integration (achievements and whatnot), so...yeah. It's Steamy.

But the GoG version is DRM free.

I'm not actually sure which version Humble is getting (DRM free or Steam)...I should look into that.
 
So I never finished Divinity Original Sin because playing it with a pad on PS4 was a bit of a pain. A lot of stuff just took too long. Is the sequel independent from the first one story wise?
 
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