you can play against similarly ranked opponents as opposed to random ones so the "pay-to-win" aspect can be avoided
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Steel Diver: Sub Wars |OT| Deep Deep Down
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you can play against similarly ranked opponents as opposed to random ones so the "pay-to-win" aspect can be avoided
All of you make very valid points, and I'm glad that this smaller title - made by just one of Nintendo's many, many teams, apparently is being enjoyed by some people.
Regarding the "being dramatic": I blame that on the post Nintendo Direct-hype at the time of posting. Not really an excuse but hey, I'm only human
Long and hard and full of seamen
RMS Gigantic
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The stylized historical submarines in the game's premium shop (for those wondering what's in the premium shop, the five historical-based submarines mentioned in the Nintendo Direct are all that's in there). The $1 price point for each is a bargain, as well: as far as I can see, all content currently in the game can be bought for around $16, including tax (premium version unlock for $10, 5 stylized historical submarines at $1 each, plus tax on all of the aforementioned).
For a F2P game, this is rather unheard of!
Something that I find interesting, though, is that the submarines in the shop have their release dates listed (February 14, 2014) and "NEW" designations, which leads me to believe that they might add more in the future.
For those who are using the free version but wonder what the five stylized historical submarines are, here's the in-game designations of each, and links to the Wikipedia article on each class:
Sen Toku I-400
Gato Class
Surcouf
Type VII U-Boat
HMS X1
I got myself an I-400 class, because it, historically, was a submarine aircraft carrier (Disclaimer: the I-400 does not launch planes in Steel Diver: Sub Wars)!
For a F2P game, this is rather unheard of!
Something that I find interesting, though, is that the submarines in the shop have their release dates listed (February 14, 2014) and "NEW" designations, which leads me to believe that they might add more in the future.
For those who are using the free version but wonder what the five stylized historical submarines are, here's the in-game designations of each, and links to the Wikipedia article on each class:
Sen Toku I-400
Gato Class
Surcouf
Type VII U-Boat
HMS X1
I got myself an I-400 class, because it, historically, was a submarine aircraft carrier (Disclaimer: the I-400 does not launch planes in Steel Diver: Sub Wars)!
Periscope is good if you're trying to find the supply ship or need a bearing on your surroundings.
If you're skilled you can move while using it without hindrance, although you can't see your sonar.
I just bought premium, I like the single player missions.
I don't really think it's that much of a pay to win, though, considering that if your good the power advantage from the higher class subs isn't too overwhelming. Just get Sub 2 and load up with some crew, and you should be good until people start unlocking some of the really late stuff.
The majority of players are f2pers anyway, with maybe 1 out of 10 having payed. Of course, that one will most likely be very good, but it's not that terrible.
If you're skilled you can move while using it without hindrance, although you can't see your sonar.
I just bought premium, I like the single player missions.
I don't really think it's that much of a pay to win, though, considering that if your good the power advantage from the higher class subs isn't too overwhelming. Just get Sub 2 and load up with some crew, and you should be good until people start unlocking some of the really late stuff.
The majority of players are f2pers anyway, with maybe 1 out of 10 having payed. Of course, that one will most likely be very good, but it's not that terrible.
RMS Gigantic
Member
I agree with everything stated here. In fact, I would say that even the late unlocks in the premium version are balanced against that second free sub: for example, a submarine that I have set as a goal for myself, the Super Cod, which is unlocked at level 31, has more HP than anything else in the game, but it's insanely unmaneuverable (even worse than the starter submarine) and its firepower could be better. The unlocked free sub, or even perhaps the starter sub, could run circles around it, it would just take a while to bring down (especially if the Super Cod has that +1 health crew member and the repair-on-the-surface crew member that I virtually always use). Even then, though, you can dodge its torpedoes, while it's going to have a far harder time dodging yours. And if your allies are wolf packed against that thing? Well, it doesn't stand a chance.
Don't get us wrong: you can by all means get by with just the starter sub, as you can easily end up in games of nothing but it, and, at least currently, anything more is fairly rare. However, all of its stats are rated 4, where as the upgraded free sub and all of the unlocks have stats that add up to be somewhere more.
RMS Gigantic
Member
I believe someone earlier in this thread, or the Sub Wars thread before this one, commented about how the five paid missions compare to the two free ones. I would recommend getting the free game and then seeing how you like the controls and the second free mission in particular (the first one has you drive through rings to reach the goal, but the second one has you engage in AI combat), and then find those remarks about the other five.
Also worthy of note, I feel, is that there's three difficulties on every mission. Between the three difficulties on the two free missions, if you beat four of them in under 5 minutes, you actually get a new submarine that you can use in any gameplay mode (single player, local multiplayer, online multiplayer) that's superior (granted a bit more specialized) than the starter submarine.
JimboJones
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AcademicSaucer
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RMS Gigantic
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--- .... how I hope this becomes a thing in this thread!
InsaneElite
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Surprisingly fun once I got the hang of it. Went ahead and bought the premium version since this seems like a nice title to pick up and play for a few minutes now and then.
OK, I'm going to try this later tonight -- I'll probably just dive straight into the premium version -- but I have to ask: Did they retain any of the simulation aspects from the original? I really liked having to micromanage the forward and reverse momentum, the rate of rising and diving, the pitch and yaw of the ship, etc, all by using levers and dials and switches on the touchscreen. Do they still have any of that, or is it all direct control now with the buttons and Circle Pad? Does it still play like the original Steel Diver, or does it play like... I dunno, Descent?
It's a first player submarine in 3d space unlike the original that played in 2d from the side. The levers are still there, in fact the pads (or Pad + X and B if you dont use a CPP) are used to change the position of the levers instead of using the touch screen (thouch screen controls are still there) so the levers will stay in whatever position you left them after moving the pads, and you really need to use both levers at the same time to get the best out of your sub, so its not likely you will use the touchscreen
It really is. Add in having to dodge a a few torpedoes at the same time and it's just a genuinely rewarding experience. I think part of the reason CoD style games never fully click with me is that losing never feels like my fault and winning feels almost completely random. Here you know when you've been out-played and when you've earned the win.
I don't get at all why they put this much effort into this game on the 3DS while the Wii U is languishing for titles and attention.I really don't. The 3DS is not hurting for games. It's not hurting for attention. Yet they have a home console that is and they put this game on the portable. *shakes head*
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
To be honest this game is very petite and looks pretty inexpensive to bring to fruition. With its modest graphics, it doesn't look too out of place on 3DS. Putting it on Wii U would require a much bigger investment for an untested idea.
They put a lot of tiny experiments like this on 3DS where the audience is large and the risk minimal. This game seems more like a free to play experiment rather than a multiplayer experiment. Put the same thing on the Wii U and I don't think it would really do any good for the console. Doesn't seem like the game that would convince the hardcore western console player to notice Wii U.
Yeah. This would have been a great timewaster for the Wii U.
Why not both?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Hung like a morse.
AcademicSaucer
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i jus might be able to learn morse just by playing this , and nintendo gets an easy award from the morse institute with this game
EmCeeGramr
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I've only run into one premium sub online so far, and he wrecked our team because he had insane health. Well, that and the last teammate on my side ran away and just kept missing opportunities to fire.
Also, the first day this was out there was a humorously/annoyingly high amount of friendly fire from people who saw a submarine and just started shooting.
Also, the first day this was out there was a humorously/annoyingly high amount of friendly fire from people who saw a submarine and just started shooting.
To add to the previous answer, it feels a lot like the first but some cotrols were switched. You don't pitch the sub, although that happens automatically when you're diving or surfacing. The same spin wheel control is now used to turn the sub left and right. And yes, there is still momentum to everything.
In place of lost controls you have a periscope and sonar. Persiscope allows for left-right camera movement independently from the sub movement--the first uses thumb pad and the other the cross pad--but your maps are obscured. Sonar pings nearby objects, but has a charge period and replaces the area map.
It's a gamer's game, skill skill based but maybe just 10% closer to resembling an ordinary fps due to a common perspective.
So last time I activated a weird 9 square blue map instead of the sonar, and could not ping anymore, any idea what happened there?
That is how the smaller sub worked in the original btw.
That is how the smaller sub worked in the original btw.
Just hold the cursor over your enemy and it locks if you have a homing torpedo. It takes a sec. After that just fire with your homing torpedo button.
That's the area map. I think it changes color if an enemy sub is in the same area. Keeps you from constantly pinging (since too many pings can help an enemy to home into your location)
Excellent analysis. I'm downloading it now.
Doctor Decimate
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well, i'd play multiplayer if the game didn't keep giving me error codes that i know are bullshit since it can connect to the eshop just fine.
I haven't started playing the actual game yet, but the menus look really slick in 3D. The inside of the sub (on the screen where you pick the game mode) seems to stretch really deep into the screen, and all of the individual instruments look super-solid. Nice sense of "place," and nice music so far.
I hope Nintendo adds a "Typhoon"/"Shark" class submarine as DLC.
And if they want to keep it close to the movie they should balance it for cloak gameplay
Let me guess: red team