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[3N16MA]

Most amazing thing about this is that Apple now has $81 billion in the bank. Double the amount they had when Steve made this comment not too long ago.

 

[Cipherr]

The iTunes usb syncing restriction is low on the list of reasons why iOS is described as a walled garden... Am where did you get the impression that Apple is making the OS more open? If anything Apple keeps trying to lock it down more!

It may be low on the list for some, but it is progress. Progress worthy of recognition. Lots of people hate ITunes, with it not being so in your face now, that can be a plus for some. You dont need a computer anymore to pair with your Phone from what I understand.

Tabbed browsing, notifications and the like. Those features make me feel a little less queasy about the whole 'walled garden' thing. Its impressive improvement. I just think however, no matter what, there will always be people that will slam them for being so 'closed' no matter how much better they improve. Haters gonna hate.

 

[rezuth]

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3538913398421433687&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr



I don't think I said that. Xerox obviously did not win their lawsuit, however it is a fact that Apple did not license the ideas from Xerox (as was stated in the post I was replying to)

Thanks im gonna read it later when I get home

 

[bedlamite]

Tabbed browsing, notifications and the like. Those features make me feel a little less queasy about the whole 'walled garden' thing. Its impressive improvement. I just think however, no matter what, there will always be people that will slam them for being so 'closed' no matter how much better they improve. Haters gonna hate.

You're going to applaud Apple for tabbed browsing? Come on, alternative browsers like iCab have had it for years.

 

[3rdman]

It may be low on the list for some, but it is progress. Progress worthy of recognition. Lots of people hate ITunes, with it not being so in your face now, that can be a plus for some. You dont need a computer anymore to pair with your Phone from what I understand.

Tabbed browsing, notifications and the like. Those features make me feel a little less queasy about the whole 'walled garden' thing. Its impressive improvement. I just think however, no matter what, there will always be people that will slam them for being so 'closed' no matter how much better they improve. Haters gonna hate.

You mean I don't need iTunes anymore???

 

[Raitosaito]

For the people who really believed Android would somehow become a "Touch" base UI without iOS and the iPhone by looking at the prototype must be out of their minds. And if Ice Cream sandwich is any indication, Android is looking like iOS more than ever.

Android does take a different approach to it's OS, but the basics of how to use the phone, and the paradigm of how a smartphone should be use was set by Apple. People can cite how all these ideas are from fingerworks, or that this is natural technological progression. I think what people fail to understand is how technology doesn't progress in a straight path, but what the current paradigm is for that type of technology to function.For example, if a stylus base phone is considered the best and most precise way to use a touchscreen it will continue to be the most prominent type of smartphone, and technology will progress where that type of input becomes more efficient.I'm pretty sure we would still be using stylus today if not for Apple.

I am not saying Android should be blown out of the market as Steve implies, but Android shouldn't be herald as some kind of revolutionary original idea.

 

[goodfella]

As much as I resent this comment by Steve as a consumer, I respect the passion that he has and can absolutely identify with him.

 

[Blackhead]

It may be low on the list for some, but it is progress. Progress worthy of recognition. Lots of people hate ITunes, with it not being so in your face now, that can be a plus for some. You dont need a computer anymore to pair with your Phone from what I understand.

Tabbed browsing, notifications and the like. Those features make me feel a little less queasy about the whole 'walled garden' thing. Its impressive improvement. I just think however, no matter what, there will always be people that will slam them for being so 'closed' no matter how much better they improve. Haters gonna hate.

Well that's nice for you but tabbed browsing, cutting the usb cord and other such features is not progress towards freedom. Making their garden prettier is not progress. Yes Apple has gone scouting beyond the wall and brought some features back for you to enjoy but they are building the wall higher with new restrictions like the 30% rule. It's not a 'haters going to hate' scenario, the EFF and other like minds really aren't irrationally anti-Apple people.

 

[Man]

I'm super hyped for this book.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I'm super hyped for this book.

I'm starting to be.

I don't really understand people who outright diminish Jobs nor those who deify him. He's a fascinating guy who was both amazing *and* rerehensible in some ways.

I don't know if we'll see another like him in our lifetimes.

 

[KtSlime]

Well that's nice for you but tabbed browsing, cutting the usb cord and other such features is not progress towards freedom. Making their garden prettier is not progress. Yes Apple has gone scouting beyond the wall and brought some features back for you to enjoy but they are building the wall higher with new restrictions like the 30% rule. It's not a 'haters going to hate' scenario, the EFF and other like minds really aren't irrationally anti-Apple people.

Why shouldn't stores get a portion of the profit of the products they sell? 30% is a bit high maybe, but starting high gives you the ability to lower it if needed. Plus Apples competitors have adopted a similar cut.

As to the walled garden, the walls have gotten lower. You are free to use whatever language you want, pretty much whatever IDE, whatever 3rd party APIs, etc. They even let apps that compete for the most part. I think the 30% cut for the IAP is a bit high, but the market can determine that. If it hurts Apple more than helps they will change their stance. Pretty much the only things I can't sell on the store are things that rip off others IP - unlicensed emulators, and pornography.

They should have have a default app selector so people can chose 3rd party apps rather than the Apple ones. But even that isn't too bad, and in many cases is pointless since 3rd party apps can partner up to include shortcuts to other 3rd party apps, and apple include an 'open in...' option in many of their apps now.

'Apple's walled garden doesn't let users x'' is just propaganda by the competitors.

 

[VariantX04]

I'm starting to be.

I don't really understand people who outright diminish Jobs nor those who deify him. He's a fascinating guy who was both amazing *and* rerehensible in some ways.

I don't know if we'll see another like him in our lifetimes.

For serious. As much of an asshole as he was, he really is a fascinating man.

 

[Blackhead]

Why shouldn't stores get a portion of the profit of the products they sell? 30% is a bit high maybe, but starting high gives you the ability to lower it if needed. Plus Apples competitors have adopted a similar cut.

As to the walled garden, the walls have gotten lower. You are free to use whatever language you want, pretty much whatever IDE, whatever 3rd party APIs, etc. They even let apps that compete for the most part. I think the 30% cut for the IAP is a bit high, but the market can determine that. If it hurts Apple more than helps they will change their stance. Pretty much the only things I can't sell on the store are things that rip off others IP - unlicensed emulators, and pornography.

They should have have a default app selector so people can chose 3rd party apps rather than the Apple ones. But even that isn't too bad, and in many cases is pointless since 3rd party apps can partner up to include shortcuts to other 3rd party apps, and apple include an 'open in...' option in many of their apps now.

'Apple's walled garden doesn't let users x'' is just propaganda by the competitors.

As to the walled garden, the walls have gotten lower. You are free to use whatever language you want, pretty much whatever IDE, whatever 3rd party APIs, etc. They even let apps that compete for the most part. Pretty much the only things I can't sell on the store are things that rip off others IP - unlicensed emulators, and pornography.

That's about the only thing you said relevant to the discussion I was having with Cipherr. I disagree that adding 2 ft to a wall then removing those bricks (the programming language restrictions that Apple introduced then abolished months later) means that the wall has gotten lower. Again, Apple might be letting more features, more apps into their garden (hey, new flash light apps) but that doesn't mean the wall...

I'm going to stop there as I don't have the patience to respond to you. *shrug* carry on.

 

[sangreal]

Why shouldn't stores get a portion of the profit of the products they sell? 30% is a bit high maybe, but starting high gives you the ability to lower it if needed. Plus Apples competitors have adopted a similar cut.

I don't think anyone cares that apple wants to take a 30% cut on app store purchases/subscriptions/etc. The problem was forcing app developers to use the app store for these sales (and therefore taking the 30% cut even if the developer doesn't want to use the app store to sell books/subscriptions/etc). Further, they originally had a rule that developers couldn't charge more on the app store than elsewhere to account for the 30%

 

[Deleted member 17706]

That's about the only thing you said relevant to the discussion I was having with Cipherr. I disagree that adding 2 ft to a wall then removing those bricks (the programming language restrictions that Apple introduced then abolished months later) means that the wall has gotten lower. Again, Apple might be letting more features, more apps into their garden (hey, new flash light apps) but that doesn't mean the wall...

I'm going to stop there as I don't have the patience to respond to you. *shrug* carry on.

Damn, people like you annoy the shit out of me. Why are you even taking the time to reply to someone if you're going to belittle them, half-ass a response, which you prematurely end with a 'not worth my time' quip.

Jackass.

 

[KtSlime]

That's about the only thing you said relevant to the discussion I was having with Cipherr. I disagree that adding 2 ft to a wall then removing those bricks (the programming language restrictions that Apple introduced then abolished months later) means that the wall has gotten lower. Again, Apple might be letting more features, more apps into their garden (hey, new flash light apps) but that doesn't mean the wall...

I'm going to stop there as I don't have the patience to respond to you. *shrug* carry on.

What do you want to sell in the store that Apple doesn't permit? A native app for xxxbighooters.com, or a game boy advance emulator, maybe some spyware so you can grab email addresses from people's address book so you can send them some emails about penis enlargement?

Tell me how the wall stops you from doing what you want to do. I'll give you a freebie, the inability to sell apps that interpret code sucks, however I bet even if Apple permitted it (I think they do permit it in special circumstances already) you'd still be bitching about the wall.

 

[dream]

Charred, would you agree that, for the vast majority of end users, there are more benefits to using a walled garden product than an "open" one?

 

[Marty Chinn]

Charred, would you agree that, for the vast majority of end users, there are more benefits to using a walled garden product than an "open" one?

No, just look at the Mac.

 

[Ermac]

my book shipped!

 

[Sinoox]

So business was very personal for him. You guys see his reasoning for wanting to destroy Android as being based on inflating his ego and being an ass, but that doesn't really sound like the case. He was angered by the striking similarities of the Android; like an artist who had his work stolen.

I just find it interesting how he approached his work. Looking forward to that book too, it should be an interesting read.

 

[AAK]

Imagine if Steve Jobs made Super Mario bros.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I just find it interesting how he approached his work. Looking forward to that book too, it should be an interesting read.

Was Jobs actually designing Apple's shit, or was he more like a producer who just green-lit stuff his peons made? Serious question.

 

[rezuth]

Was Jobs actually designing Apple's shit, or was he more like a producer who just green-lit stuff his peons made? Serious question.

He made up concepts and had input on stuff he didn't like or liked. It could be anything from what the screen the iPod should use to the gradient on the Google logo for iOS being the wrong kind of yellow, (yes, he really did call them up and complained about it... on a sunday).

 

[Angelus Errare]

Anyone still use the app "Classics" for iPad?

 

[andycapps]

For the people who really believed Android would somehow become a "Touch" base UI without iOS and the iPhone by looking at the prototype must be out of their minds. And if Ice Cream sandwich is any indication, Android is looking like iOS more than ever.

Android does take a different approach to it's OS, but the basics of how to use the phone, and the paradigm of how a smartphone should be use was set by Apple. People can cite how all these ideas are from fingerworks, or that this is natural technological progression. I think what people fail to understand is how technology doesn't progress in a straight path, but what the current paradigm is for that type of technology to function.For example, if a stylus base phone is considered the best and most precise way to use a touchscreen it will continue to be the most prominent type of smartphone, and technology will progress where that type of input becomes more efficient.I'm pretty sure we would still be using stylus today if not for Apple.

I am not saying Android should be blown out of the market as Steve implies, but Android shouldn't be herald as some kind of revolutionary original idea.

I'm going to assume you haven't seen ICS or seen video of it if you think it looks the most like iOS.. Or that it ever really has.

 

[Raitosaito]

I'm going to assume you haven't seen ICS or seen video of it if you think it looks the most like iOS.. Or that it ever really has.

I've seen it in action plenty of times, and I watched the keynote for the galaxy nexus live.

I'm assuming you haven't used iOS enough.

 

[sangreal]

I've seen it in action plenty of times, and I watched the keynote for the galaxy nexus live.

I'm assuming you haven't used iOS enough.

I give Apple plenty of credit. Not only for their marketing, but also for the distinctive iOS touchscreen gestures, consistent interface, and overall design. That said, the features you are citing were not new when the iPhone was launched. See the LG Prada for example, which had a full (capacitive) touchscreen interface. Would Android have gone this route? Probably not -- they were clearly going for a BB clone at the time. Once the iPhone forced them to switch to a touchscreen, however, the rest of the design did not really come from Apple (aside from the gestures, which I don't believe the first android phones supported).

 

[nib95]

For the people who really believed Android would somehow become a "Touch" base UI without iOS and the iPhone by looking at the prototype must be out of their minds. And if Ice Cream sandwich is any indication, Android is looking like iOS more than ever.

Android does take a different approach to it's OS, but the basics of how to use the phone, and the paradigm of how a smartphone should be use was set by Apple. People can cite how all these ideas are from fingerworks, or that this is natural technological progression. I think what people fail to understand is how technology doesn't progress in a straight path, but what the current paradigm is for that type of technology to function.For example, if a stylus base phone is considered the best and most precise way to use a touchscreen it will continue to be the most prominent type of smartphone, and technology will progress where that type of input becomes more efficient.I'm pretty sure we would still be using stylus today if not for Apple.

I am not saying Android should be blown out of the market as Steve implies, but Android shouldn't be herald as some kind of revolutionary original idea.

You honestly have a very jaded and Apple tinted view on such things. Android actually uses many of the basic functions used in mobile phones and operating systems for generations. The only real difference that compelled change in this instance was the touch interface, but Androids use of it is actually more traditional than Apple's (Home screen with basic or popular apps, an actual separate applications page , widgets etc, compared to apple's more non traditional (but more simpleton) version which is to have all the apps on the main page(s). Ironically, these days it is actually Apple that is becoming more Android like, or should I say 'traditional', than the other way around. As they add more and more functionality that others either acknowledged long ago, or started to before Apple.

The basics of how a smartphone should be used, from texting, to predictive texts, camera, apps, themes, folders, home pages, icon launchers etc, pretty much everything, came way before Apple did it. Apple just did a touch, user friendly version of it with it's own little innovations here and there that Android has done just as much of.

 

[Kapsama]

"Clunky, Laggy and Unresponsive" will be used to describe Android until the end of its days. It will never go away, it was much more valid long long ago. Much less so now. But itll never go away.

"Walled garden, restrictive as hell, only good for the technically challenged" is something people will always say about iOS, never going to go away, now matter how much more freedom from the iTunes the latest OS brings, no matter how much more they open it, refine it, It will never go away.

doesn't make it any less ridiculous. android has improved immensely with froyo and direct comparison tests between the iphone 4 and nexus s which both had identical hardware showed that the nexus s was faster and snappier.

Most amazing thing about this is that Apple now has $81 billion in the bank. Double the amount they had when Steve made this comment not too long ago.

whats even more amazing is that since stevey vowes to destroy android it has become the #1 mobile os and has twice the iphone's marketshare in the us.

It may be low on the list for some, but it is progress. Progress worthy of recognition. Lots of people hate ITunes, with it not being so in your face now, that can be a plus for some. You dont need a computer anymore to pair with your Phone from what I understand.

Tabbed browsing, notifications and the like. Those features make me feel a little less queasy about the whole 'walled garden' thing. Its impressive improvement. I just think however, no matter what, there will always be people that will slam them for being so 'closed' no matter how much better they improve. Haters gonna hate.

the lack of tabbed browsing or notifications never had anything to do with the wallex garden. a walled garden approach means that anything you do with the phone has to go through apple. want to buy music? see apple. wanna see a movie? apple. want to download apps? see apple. besides a few exceptions here and there ios is as closed and restrictive ever.

For the people who really believed Android would somehow become a "Touch" base UI without iOS and the iPhone by looking at the prototype must be out of their minds. And if Ice Cream sandwich is any indication, Android is looking like iOS more than ever.


I am not saying Android should be blown out of the market as Steve implies, but Android shouldn't be herald as some kind of revolutionary original idea.

1. typical apple fanboy megalomania. windows mobile had both touch technology and large screens years before the iphone. its apple who stole from microsoft and palm.

2. android users aren't prone to such delusions. only applemania does this on a regular basis.

Why shouldn't stores get a portion of the profit of the products they sell? 30% is a bit high maybe, but starting high gives you the ability to lower it if needed. Plus Apples competitors have adopted a similar cut.
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because apple is forcing its own store as the only option?

if your car manufacturer forced all makers of accessories, parts and supplies to sell exclusively through their dealers, would you think that's fair as well?

was angered by the striking similarities of the Android; like an artist who had his work stolen

the problem is that a) it exposes his huge hypocrisy and b) he had no right to those feelings unless he was that emotionally invested in a technology he bought from someone else. (multitouch)

 

[1-D_FTW]

I miss the hippy roots that Woz sprung from.

 

[bionic77]

1. typical apple fanboy megalomania. windows mobile had both touch technology and large screens years before the iphone. its apple who stole from microsoft and palm.

2. android users aren't prone to such delusions. only applemania does this on a regular basis.

I don't understand people who act like the iPhone wasn't a big deal when it was released.

I was a heavy WM user before switching to BB and then the iPhone. I ditched WM because it was horrible at everything (though powerful) but it was nothing like using an iPhone. You used a stylus and it was basically trying to give you PC functionality on a phone, though everything came out shitty. The iPhone was a totally different experience from day 1 to anything else I or anyone else had ever seen before on a phone.

People who act like the iPhone was nothing special when it was released are just as annoying and crazy as those who act like Apple is their religion. And to be fair, both are equally pathetic getting so emotional and attached to what are a disposable consumer devices.

 

[Enco]

Most amazing thing about this is that Apple now has $81 billion in the bank. Double the amount they had when Steve made this comment not too long ago.

That's just inefficient and silly.

What a waste of money that they could easily re invest.

 

[badcrumble]

No, just look at the Mac.

Given that the Mac is not a walled garden product, I'm not sure what you mean here.

 

[bionic77]

That's just inefficient and silly.

What a waste of money that they could easily re invest.

Wish they would invest more money and time into the computer OS. It feels like Apple doesn't care as much about it anymore.

These mobile OS wars are taking Windows and OS X in an area where I don't want them to go. I don't want my Mac or PC to share anything with my phone or tablet.

 

[DrForester]

I don't know if Android would have still been a success, but Apple going ATT exclusive and giving up that market share created the environment for Android to succeed.

 

[twinturbo2]

I miss the hippy roots that Woz sprung from.

Speaking of Woz, that episode of The Big Bang Theory where he cameoed in was on last night. Just sayin'.

 

[bionic77]

I don't know if Android would have still been a success, but Apple going ATT exclusive and giving up that market share created the environment for Android to succeed.

Google has to be given A LOT of credit.

They reacted so quickly and changed course fast enough to react to the iPhone and it has led to where their mobile OS is today. Contrast that with how slow everyone (in particular MS and RIM who laughed at the iPhone concept) reacted. That is the difference between a great CEO and a shithead (i.e. Ballmer).

i understand why Jobs is pissed, but rarely does the innovator or inventor enjoy the monetary gains from their concept. Usually it is the 2nd guy that comes along and changes something or fixes the one thing that was holding it back. In this case Google had more hardware and more carriers and got there much faster than Apple.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Given that the Mac is not a walled garden product, I'm not sure what you mean here.

That's the point. It's not a walled garden and one of the selling points is its ease of use. So no I don't see the need to create a walled garden for a device to benefit the end user when you can look at the Mac and see an example where things can be streamlined, made easier to use, but still offer the freedom without the walled garden.

 

[DrForester]

Google has to be given A LOT of credit.

They reacted so quickly and changed course fast enough to react to the iPhone and it has led to where their mobile OS is today. Contrast that with how slow everyone (in particular MS and RIM who laughed at the iPhone concept) reacted. That is the difference between a great CEO and a shithead (i.e. Ballmer).

i understand why Jobs is pissed, but rarely does the innovator or inventor enjoy the monetary gains from their concept. Usually it is the 2nd guy that comes along and changes something or fixes the one thing that was holding it back. In this case Google had more hardware and more carriers and got there much faster than Apple.

Oh no doubt, but I still do wonder if Android ever would have been that popular if iPhone had been on all carriers from the start.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Oh no doubt, but I still do wonder if Android ever would have been that popular if iPhone had been on all carriers from the start.

Price still would have helped Android gain traction.

 

[badcrumble]

Oh no doubt, but I still do wonder if Android ever would have been that popular if iPhone had been on all carriers from the start.

Unlikely, but Apple had to go carrier-exclusive to get some things that were really important to Jobs (no carrier logos on the phone, carrier has zero control over the phone's software and isn't allowed to hobble it so they can sell the features back to you, et cetera). People forget how standard those things used to be.

 

[Angst]

What do you want to sell in the store that Apple doesn't permit? A native app for xxxbighooters.com, or a game boy advance emulator, maybe some spyware so you can grab email addresses from people's address book so you can send them some emails about penis enlargement?

Tell me how the wall stops you from doing what you want to do. I'll give you a freebie, the inability to sell apps that interpret code sucks, however I bet even if Apple permitted it (I think they do permit it in special circumstances already) you'd still be bitching about the wall.

I've give you something else. Magazines that want their apps on the App store need to sign a contract were they agree to certain rules, for example "no nudity". Sounds good?

Guess what, normal newspapers might run stories about an art exhibition where the might be nude art etc. And that is a violation of the agreement. An artist in Sweden wanted to release an app with his art, he didn't make it through because some of his art featured "nude" content.

You might not care about things like that, but to me the rule of freedom of speech and expression is pretty damn important. And I do not want someone to decide what art I can view or not.

Nudity doesn't have to be porn and it doesn't have to be bad. But it's still not allowed on the White Picket fence App Store.

 

[rezuth]

I miss the hippy roots that Woz sprung from.

What? Woz was far from a hippy.

 

[Draft]

I wonder if the vengeful ghost of Steve Jobs now haunts Google headquarters, chained to this mortal coil until his obsession is satisfied.

 

[Mrbob]

Price still would have helped Android gain traction.

Quality foresight looking into the future of mobile is helping Google as well. Android smart phones are now making a big push into the prepaid market in the usa, so Android market share is going to continue to dwarf iphone. It is amazing how fast and how far Google has flown past Apple in market share.

 

[Raitosaito]

1. typical apple fanboy megalomania. windows mobile had both touch technology and large screens years before the iphone. its apple who stole from microsoft and palm.

2. android users aren't prone to such delusions. only applemania does this on a regular basis.

Well, you clearly are prone to these delusions. It's pretty obvious by your answer.

I never diminish Android's accomplishments, I'm just saying what it has now become is likely due to the success of iOS and the iPhone.

I never held some kind of loyal devotion for any company, because they are just that. A company. Fanboy sentiments generalizing how "Android" users are somehow superior definitely show you are not here for a discussion but just to prove a product superiority.

You honestly have a very jaded and Apple tinted view on such things. Android actually uses many of the basic functions used in mobile phones and operating systems for generations. The only real difference that compelled change in this instance was the touch interface, but Androids use of it is actually more traditional than Apple's (Home screen with basic or popular apps, an actual separate applications page , widgets etc, compared to apple's more non traditional (but more simpleton) version which is to have all the apps on the main page(s). Ironically, these days it is actually Apple that is becoming more Android like, or should I say 'traditional', than the other way around. As they add more and more functionality that others either acknowledged long ago, or started to before Apple.

The basics of how a smartphone should be used, from texting, to predictive texts, camera, apps, themes, folders, home pages, icon launchers etc, pretty much everything, came way before Apple did it. Apple just did a touch, user friendly version of it with it's own little innovations here and there that Android has done just as much of.

Is this just a longwinded way of saying you've never used "Donut, Eclair and Froyo" in succession? Because the approach to all those features you listed made Android become like Apple base on each new version.

Also I have a Nexus S and I enjoy it very much, but I am not going to live under a rock and pretend Apple made no contributions that largely impact the Android OS. Also the analogy of all those apps existing before the iPhone is a valid one. But email has existed before the iPhone, and hell even voicemail. But the underlying approach to how they work on phones today was set by iOS. Also the claim that the UI on the iPhone being a "simpleton" product is ridiculous. Wasn't the point of the original GUI to make computing easier? iOS has a different philosophy than Android, and I never said it was better. It's just about giving credit where credit is due, and if Android becomes a superior product so be it.

 

[Deku]

I wonder if the vengeful ghost of Steve Jobs now haunts Google headquarters, chained to this mortal coil until his obsession is satisfied.

You should totally do a fanfic of this plot.

 

[Kapsama]

I don't understand people who act like the iPhone wasn't a big deal when it was released.

I was a heavy WM user before switching to BB and then the iPhone. I ditched WM because it was horrible at everything (though powerful) but it was nothing like using an iPhone. You used a stylus and it was basically trying to give you PC functionality on a phone, though everything came out shitty. The iPhone was a totally different experience from day 1 to anything else I or anyone else had ever seen before on a phone.

People who act like the iPhone was nothing special when it was released are just as annoying and crazy as those who act like Apple is their religion. And to be fair, both are equally pathetic getting so emotional and attached to what are a disposable consumer devices.

No need to put words in my mouth. Obviously the iphone had a big impact. It brought the smartphone to the American masses among with the Blackberry.

and due to the iphone multi touch and capacitive screens are standard on smart phones today. Apple also designed the first usable on screen keyboard.

However these are all evolutionary steps. Ask these rabid apple fanboys and they'll tell you that the iphone was the first smartphone period.

I don't know if Android would have still been a success, but Apple going ATT exclusive and giving up that market share created the environment for Android to succeed.

How would you explain Android's success in Europe then?

Well, you clearly are prone to these delusions. It's pretty obvious by your answer.

I never diminish Android's accomplishments, I'm just saying what it has now become is likely due to the success of iOS and the iPhone.

I never held some kind of loyal devotion for any company, because they are just that. A company. Fanboy sentiments generalizing how "Android" users are somehow superior definitely show you are not here for a discussion but just to prove a product superiority.



Is this just a longwinded way of saying you've never used "Donut, Eclair and Froyo" in succession? Because the approach to all those features you listed made Android become like Apple base on each new version.

Also I have a Nexus S and I enjoy it very much, but I am not going to live under a rock and pretend Apple made no contributions that largely impact the Android OS. Also the analogy of all those apps existing before the iPhone is a valid one. But email has existed before the iPhone, and hell even voicemail. But the underlying approach to how they work on phones today was set by iOS. Also the claim that the UI on the iPhone being a "simpleton" product is ridiculous. Wasn't the point of the original GUI to make computing easier? iOS has a different philosophy than Android, and I never said it was better. It's just about giving credit where credit is due, and if Android becomes a superior product so be it.

Android users are not superior per se. But they don't go around calling Android God's gift to mankind either.

And lol at claiming to not be a deluded Apple fanboy and then in the same post claiming that Apple reinvented mobile email. You can't make this shit up.

 

[Jadedx]

The author's claims make Jobs seem like a douche.

He was a douche, a hypocrite and a douche.

 

[Technosteve]

He was a douche, a hypocrite and a douche.

You mad?

Spoiler

Really?