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[DarkFlow]

Also everyone always forgets about the very first smartphone, the IBM Simon. Apple invented shit. It even had a touchscreen!

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Mobile fax machines blow my mind. I have to get one.

 

[Raitosaito]

Also everyone always forgets about the very first smartphone, the IBM Simon. Apple invented shit. It even had a touchscreen!

I can't even begin to....

 

[Deleted member 22576]

That baby had one of these ancient things built in.

 

[neorej]

And I thought Apple-fanboys were bad... their CEO is even worse!

 

[Adamm]

Look, as a consumer I'm torn. I love google maps and directions for free on my wifes Desire and we use it all the time, but where does that leave all the other mapping companies? First off they stole all the best ideas of how to implent mapping and then abused their position by a) subsidising it off their search/advertising revenue business and b) promoting it through their search monopoly as the number 1 solution.

How is that stealing?
The only online map services before google maps were extremely basic that offered no where near the features google maps did. Other services have been playing catch up ever since.
Google maps isnt the most popular because of thier search monopoly, its the most popular because its the best

 

[kame-sennin]

I dont have anything against Apple other than me personally not liking their current business model. Im one of the people that think that Apple sells at the price it does because of brand recognition, and that it directly affects me as a customer since i (as many) cant afford one of their products, let alone keep upgrading at the rate they do. I dont like that whole Apple religious thing that grew around the companies latest outings and i think it just hurts the overall consumer.

I agree with you on the price and competition points, but the bold is just flat wrong. Apple couldn't break beyond 6% market share in PCs before the iPod launched. Where was their brand strength then? Apple built their brand strength, and just like Sony, GM, Nintendo, IBM, Blockbuster, or a hundred other companies, they can loose that strength if they don't continue to put out great products.

It's easy to say that a product sells because of brand or advertising. It doesn't take a lot of analysis, and most people will agree that consumers can be manipulated. That's why people use this backhanded complement against any popular product that they don't like. But the reality is that advertising alone can only create a short term hit. Hype can create a flash-in-the-pan product that sells great in its launch window, but only a great product can have the sustained sales of the iPod, iPhone, or iPad. Apple commands the mark-up they do because of the craftsmanship of their products and because of their focus on ease of use.

 

[Salsa]

I agree with you on the price and competition points, but the bold is just flat wrong. Apple couldn't break beyond 6% market share in PCs before the iPod launched. Where was their brand strength then? Apple built their brand strength

totally agreed. Wasnt trying to imply otherwise.

Im mostly talking about the certain following that will now buy anything with an apple on the back, and every single revision for the sake of it and wouldnt even actively discuss its short comings. Mostly because they see other people with phones with apples on the back and that's whats cool, and they wouldnt settle for other phones/laptops/tablets (even if better).

I mean, i have a couple friends like that (who directly try to argue when i say you could buy about twice as powerful of hardware for the same price if you bought something else that wasnt apple), and if the internet is anything to go by that audience does exist, but besides that i have no way of knowing how far off i could be.

 

[Wiktor]

Apple couldn't break beyond 6% market share in PCs before the iPod launched.

They still can't. Which shows that people buy their other products because they like them, not just because of the brand.

 

[wrowa]

I absolutely respect his achiements, but I always got the impression that he as a person was rather a self-righteous ass. This just reinforces that impression.

 

[Synth_floyd]

Well he sure was passionate. Maybe he realized that when he created Mac OS, Windows just copied it and then went on to get 95%+ market share and didn't want the same to happen with iOS and Android.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Implying Apple didn't use anyone elses ideas, ever.

Kind of a dick thing to say, Steve.

Jobs quoted Picasso once and said, "Good artists copy; great artists steal." I think Apple And Android both fall into that latter camp. They ended up taking things from each other.

 

[Windu]

he would have destroyed android like he destroyed windows.. Oh wait.

 

[TheDrowningMan]

As of plenty of other successful CEOs wouldn't react angrily in similar situations. The Apple search image was great. Schmidt, Page and Bryn would have just sat there and said "no harm done!" if Google board member Steve Jobs unveiled that in an alternate 2008. You become successful for a reason.

I'd also like to point out that Larry Page stated that Jobs, by this time months away from death, took time to reach Out and offer advice on his becoming CEO of Google. Too many kids buy into this black / white scenario and look at everything in very simplistic terms and therefore offer simplistic judgment and opinion on the matter.

 

[akira28]

And I thought Apple-fanboys were bad... their CEO is even worse!

It's truly fitting. A techno-deity worthy of his subjects.

 

[Angst]

Well he sure was passionate. Maybe he realized that when he created Mac OS, Windows just copied it and then went on to get 95%+ market share and didn't want the same to happen with iOS and Android.

Just like MAC OS copied what the guys at Xerox did?

 

[UnblessedSoul]

Hes just jelly cause their competitors offer superior phones with cheaper prices

 

[kame-sennin]

They still can't. Which shows that people buy their other products because they like them, not just because of the brand.

Actually, their market share is steadily growing.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...market-share-in-us-lenovo-climbs-globally.ars

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/12/apples-share-of-u-s-pc-market-leaps-to-12-9-in-3q-2011/

But you're right in that it's nothing compared to their iOS growth. The idea that people will buy anything with the Apple logo on it is just false.

 

[Wiktor]

Actually, their market share is steadily growing.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...market-share-in-us-lenovo-climbs-globally.ars

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/12/apples-share-of-u-s-pc-market-leaps-to-12-9-in-3q-2011/

But only in US. Worldwide they still can't break 5%. Apple has enjoyed very steady growth in USA, but the growth of others worldwide is so big that Apple's market share has pretty much stayed the same in the last few years.

 

[dude]

This is what Motorola could produce when given an Apple asset:

We would still have touchscreen smartphones without Apple but I cringe to think how shitty they would be.

And think how shitty phones would be without Android or any other competitor Apple has had in the mobile market. Competition works like that.

 

[LCfiner]

well, Android is a total ripoff and Eric Schmidt was on their board so I could see why he’d be pissed.

the quote still seems a bit much.

 

[Keylime]

I guess he's been dead long enough to start letting your real feelings out.

...why would anyone be surprised to hear Steve say this?

 

[[Nintex]]

Wouldn't surprise me, for some reason Jobs hated things with a passion. Take IBM for example, he hated IBM to the bone and I don't think anyone really knew why.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Haha

Well I knew he didn't have love for Android, but now GAF can legitimately bash Steve Jobs and not get banned!

 

[Blackface]

I love how Jobs thinks everything is stolen. Yet almost everything Apple has put out, was out before in some form of fashion. They just made it more trendy and simple. Even the DSC documentary, which was overly biased on the side of Apple, said this.

 

[mrklaw]

what did android steal from apple? The idea of a touch based OS? Palm etc did that years ago. The layout of the device and how you interact is fundamentally different from Iphone - flexible live widgets etc vs basic app grid.

And aren't both based on Unix at the core?

both got fucked over for not paying their dues on the actual telephony patents too.

 

[mrklaw]

I like how you reduce the iPhone to "touchscreen phone with app store."

yeah, reduce even further - it didn't have an app store for the first couple of years.

"touchscreen phone with a youtube app built in"

 

[hyp]

this book is gonna sell like crack. these are obvious leaks to drum up some pre release hype. day one baby! jobs is the fuckin man, love the bluntness of the quote.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

what did android steal from apple? The idea of a touch based OS? Palm etc did that years ago. The layout of the device and how you interact is fundamentally different from Iphone - flexible live widgets etc vs basic app grid.

And aren't both based on Unix at the core?

both got fucked over for not paying their dues on the actual telephony patents too.

Linux != Unix

 

[rezuth]

Remember that Eric Schmidt was on Apple's board while the iPhone was being created. He probably felt pretty betrayed.

This is what I was going to post. After Google unveiled Android for the first time Schmidt was pretty much forced out of the room whenever the iPhone was going to be discussed.

 

[Zzoram]

Android being sluggish kind of destroys itself. Even the new flagship Nexus Prime looks sluggish compared to the iPhone 4S.

 

[rezuth]

I love how Jobs thinks everything is stolen. Yet almost everything Apple has put out, was out before in some form of fashion. They just made it more trendy and simple. Even the DSC documentary, which was overly biased on the side of Apple, said this.

Don't be an idiot, Google CEO was on the board of Apple. You'll notice Steve talks about Android and Schmidt not anyone else like Windows Phone, Nokia, Symbian etc. He clearly believed that Schmidt used the intel he got to make a competing product by using the ideas Apple had at the time.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Android being sluggish kind of destroys itself. Even the new flagship Nexus Prime looks sluggish compared to the iPhone 4S.

Absolute nonsense.

 

[rezuth]

And think how shitty phones would be without Android or any other competitor Apple has had in the mobile market. Competition works like that.

This is not about competition but about Steve feeling betrayed that he was taken advantage off... AGAIN. He went through it once with Microsoft and now with Google. Is it so surprising that he hated it?

 

[SonnyBoy]

To get to the top of anything you have to have a killer instinct... This is gaf, 95% of the population here doesn't have that trait.

"If you're not first, you're last." - lmao

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Is it so surprising that he hated it?

From OP's quote it sounds like he went full Captain Ahab on Android, which is what I believe most people are "surprised" about.

 

[BruiserBear]

Apple created the best phone the world had ever seen and it rethought what people expected from a cell phone. If I had created such a device, I'm pretty sure I'd be highly irritated by any clones that started showing up. Nothing odd about this IMO.

 

[SonnyBoy]

I'm surprised someone hasn't called him a bully yet. LOL

 

[Londa]

I'm just shocked that people weren't aware that he wanted control of the mobile market.

 

[Ark]

People are surprised at this?

 

[dude]

This is not about competition but about Steve feeling betrayed that he was taken advantage off... AGAIN. He went through it once with Microsoft and now with Google. Is it so surprising that he hated it?

Oh please... "Taken advantage of"? How is this, in anyway or form taking of advantage of Steve Jobs?
Did Steve Jobs take advantage of Martin Cooper of Motorola when he created the iPhone? Did he take advantage of the Blackberry or of Nokia? Let me let you in on a secret - A lot of what was in the iPhone wasn't invented by Apple. This is how competetion works.

He can hate it all he wants as long as he understands that's how it works and doesn't use monopolistic strategies, which he did (like banning the Samsung Galaxy in Germany.)
I also find it amusing that Steve Jobs trying to maintain a monopoly is "dedication", but when Microsoft did it in the 90's...

 

[Ghost]

Really hyped for this book to come out on Monday, Kindle version has text to speech too so it's walk to work approved!

Oh please... "Taken advantage of"? How is this, in anyway or form taking of advantage of Steve Jobs?
Did Steve Jobs take advantage of Martin Cooper of Motorola when he created the iPhone? Did he take advantage of the Blackberry or of Nokia? Let me let you in on a secret - A lot of what was in the iPhone wasn't invented by Apple. This is how competetion works.

He can hate it all he wants as long as he understands that's how it works and doesn't use monopolistic strategies, which he did (like banning the Samsung Galaxy in Germany.)
I also find it amusing that Steve Jobs trying to maintain a monopoly is "dedication", but when Microsoft did it in the 90's...

How is taking legal action against 1 phone in a market of dozens monopolistic?

There's plenty of ways Apple have tried to control digital music and cell phone markets over the years, the App Store and iTunes are EU court cases just waiting to happen, but the Galaxy is a rip-off and Samsung deserve every legal case they get into over it, same goes for the Tab.

 

[RJT]

Remember that Eric Schmidt was on Apple's board while the iPhone was being created. He probably felt pretty betrayed.

This, people. There's a difference between improving a formula (something every successful tech company does) and secretly plotting to compete with a company you happen to be a board member of.

It's Official: Eric Schmidt Is Pathological

 

[gutter_trash]

what this thread has taught me is that competition is more beneficial than patent lawsuits and fanboyism

 

[DodgerSan]

I'm sure the developers of Camera+ find this particularly ironic.

 

[Malvolio]

"It's not where you take things from - it's where you take them to."

- Jean-Luc Godard

 

[BruiserBear]

I'm just shocked that people weren't aware that he wanted control of the mobile market.

That logic is so lol worthy. I don't even...

 

[crazy monkey]

There is a old saying that thief is always worried about other thief. No disrespect to anyone.

 

[liger05]

Go Android!!

 

[BrettXNA]

What a jackass.
The day he died was a great day.