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[Monroeski]

You mean the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation might have an ego and a dark side?

I'm shocked, I say. SHOCKED. I just assumed that since so many people liked his products that he was like an angel come to earth.

 

[choodi]

There is a reason you can't copyright ideas. It stifles innovation and competition.

Apple blatantly copies the ideas of plenty of other businesses. If it didn't, we wouldn't have ever had the iPod.

Competition is good. Monopolies are bad. Anti-competitive business practices are bad.

 

[BruiserBear]

This thread is a perfect example of why it's kind of a waste of time to try and have serious discussions on certain topics on this forum. You've got too many people that just have no clue what the hell goes on in the real world, and how things work.

Almost any business person in the world would read these Jobs quotes and think nothing much of it. Just a business man being able to speak freely, as he was writing the biography of his life as he was dying.

Then we've got dozens of people in this thread displaying outrage and shock at the quote.


lolz

 

[dark10x]

He (was) mad. Wp7 and Android offer so much more in fluidity and customization respectively. That said, his vision for the iPhone and is apparent in android and WP7.

iOS and WP7 are both equally fluid. Both operate at a smooth 60 fps and deliver very responsive controls. I also greatly respect both of them as they each followed their own vision and delivered something new. WP7 is a triumph, as far as I'm concerned, as it did NOT attempt to copy the iOS model. It's quite unique and well designed.

Android, however, has always had that homebrew Linux feel to me. It's not polished at all and even the fastest hardware delivers an inconsistent experience. Definitely not a fan. Something like Android is well suited to a PC environment, but for a mobile phone I don't much care for it.

 

[bionic77]

Billg used his position to ask Obama to spend more helping the vulnerable. What a bastard, always trying to make Jobs and Apple look bad.

What Bill is doing with his money now is something special and probably better than anyone on this board will ever do.

But it is funny when people talk about Bill Gates now its like they forgot about the 80s and 90s. The guy was a ruthless mofo back then who often abused MS's monopoly powers to crush their competition.

Not everything has to be black and white.

 

[Barrett2]

OP quote sounds about right for a man who was by all accounts a ruthless CEO.

 

[Kurdel]

Sure, every touch interface after iPhone was in some way inspired by what it did. But saying they are outright stealing the ideas is a stretch. After iPhone launched it was necessary for any mobile OS to go the touch interface route.

Android at least in the last year I have been using it has got a lot of features iPhone doesn't have. So now if iPhone gets widgets does it mean they stole it from Android?

And no one can say Apple has never been inspired something others did...

At the end of the day, Jobs did great work at Apple, visionary and all that. He was also big Narcissist and a classic example of one and that is NOT a good thing.

Wow. Just relax dude. I know this topic is very important for people who accord an absurd amount of energy defending their platform or choice, so I prefer to maintain a more neutral position to not incite more flipping out. We both agree on the same thing: the iPhone changed the mobile space. Jobs' rage can be justified when we see how much Android did take from Apple.

A good video is the Jan 2007 first demo of the iPhone. We can really see how mind bending such simple things we take for granted today were in 2007.

And I am glad he didn't succeed in destroying Android. We need a sophisticated, stable OS for our immediate future. Android powered smart fridges, smart ovens, smart houses, smart TVs, ect. A unified OS will be a good thing for sure, when it comes to the future of cloud computing and managing our daily lives.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Wow. Just relax dude. I know this topic is very important for people who accord an absurd amount of energy defending their platform or choice, so I prefer to maintain a more neutral position to not incite more flipping out. We both agree on the same thing: the iPhone changed the mobile space. Jobs' rage can be justified when we see how much Android did take from Apple.

Sorry, wasn't trying to attack you, just piggybacked on your post to make my point.

 

[Sharp]

Get out of here with that common sense logical thinking! No one talks about destroying the competition in the business world. Everyone wants harmony and peace, and they're happy and grateful when the competition apes their design ideas and products. It's just better for consumers to have more choices, even if the choices are hack job replicas of the original!

You misunderstand me. I didn't say Jobs was right, only that every business owner has to think that way in order to be successful. You can't do the best you can to sell your product if you don't absolutely believe that it is the best product on the market and that all similar products are just imitators. That's true in every business and is probably necessary to be successful. Doesn't make Droids "hack jobs" :jakncoke

 

[Jenga]

Billg used his position to ask Obama to spend more helping the vulnerable. What a bastard, always trying to make Jobs and Apple look bad.

he's a genius

he's anticipated the adverse reaction to corporate meddling years in advance

 

[The Faceless Master]

Yes he was...

 

[Jenga]

What Bill is doing with his money now is something special and probably better than anyone on this board will ever do.

But it is funny when people talk about Bill Gates now its like they forgot about the 80s and 90s. The guy was a ruthless mofo back then who often abused MS's monopoly powers to crush their competition.

Not everything has to be black and white.

ah so bill gates became ghandi while jobs secretly supported ron paul

an eye opener for sure

 

[brotkasten]

What's your point? That HTC finally released their own old design four years later? Congrats?

 

[LCfiner]

iOS and WP7 are both equally fluid. Both operate at a smooth 60 fps and deliver very responsive controls. I also greatly respect both of them as they each followed their own vision and delivered something new. WP7 is a triumph, as far as I'm concerned, as it did NOT attempt to copy the iOS model. It's quite unique and well designed.

Android, however, has always had that homebrew Linux feel to me. It's not polished at all and even the fastest hardware delivers an inconsistent experience. Definitely not a fan. Something like Android is well suited to a PC environment, but for a mobile phone I don't much care for it.

I could not agree more.

 

[Takuan]

Jobs is a well-documented asshole. He was a visionary, a genius, and his impact to the mobile communications & personal computing industries will not be forgotten - but he could also be an asshole. You almost have to be an egomaniac to accomplish the things he did, and bouts of assholism are part and parcel of that personality.

Android, however, has always had that homebrew Linux feel to me. It's not polished at all and even the fastest hardware delivers an inconsistent experience. Definitely not a fan. Something like Android is well suited to a PC environment, but for a mobile phone I don't much care for it.

As an owner of a Galaxy S2, I agree entirely with these comments. "Inconsistent" best describes the Android experience for non-power users, absolutely. I love the phone, but it is nowhere near perfect.

 

[polyh3dron]

The technology icon also revealed he stopped going to church at age 13 after he saw starving children on the cover of Life Magazine, the AP cited the book as saying

 

[BruiserBear]

iOS and WP7 are both equally fluid. Both operate at a smooth 60 fps and deliver very responsive controls. I also greatly respect both of them as they each followed their own vision and delivered something new. WP7 is a triumph, as far as I'm concerned, as it did NOT attempt to copy the iOS model. It's quite unique and well designed.

Android, however, has always had that homebrew Linux feel to me. It's not polished at all and even the fastest hardware delivers an inconsistent experience. Definitely not a fan. Something like Android is well suited to a PC environment, but for a mobile phone I don't much care for it.

I often find myself agreeing with you, and you couldn't have said that any better.

I own an iPhone, but I fully respect what Windows has done with WP7, and if I were to own another smart phone it would be a Windows Phone for all the reasons you cited.

 

[ckohler]

iOS and WP7 are both equally fluid. Both operate at a smooth 60 fps and deliver very responsive controls. I also greatly respect both of them as they each followed their own vision and delivered something new. WP7 is a triumph, as far as I'm concerned, as it did NOT attempt to copy the iOS model. It's quite unique and well designed.

Android, however, has always had that homebrew Linux feel to me. It's not polished at all and even the fastest hardware delivers an inconsistent experience. Definitely not a fan. Something like Android is well suited to a PC environment, but for a mobile phone I don't much care for it.

My thoughts exactly. If I didn't own iOS I would own WP7 for the reasons you mention.

 

[The Faceless Master]

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/fairs...eport-googles-alleged-anticompetitive-conduct

if people don't like the search results that Google provides, they will switch to another, better search engine. i mean, that's how Google got to where they're at... better results!

 

[The Faceless Master]

iOS and WP7 are both equally fluid. Both operate at a smooth 60 fps and deliver very responsive controls. I also greatly respect both of them as they each followed their own vision and delivered something new. WP7 is a triumph, as far as I'm concerned, as it did NOT attempt to copy the iOS model. It's quite unique and well designed.

Android, however, has always had that homebrew Linux feel to me. It's not polished at all and even the fastest hardware delivers an inconsistent experience. Definitely not a fan. Something like Android is well suited to a PC environment, but for a mobile phone I don't much care for it.

this right here is exactly why i switched from WM6.5 to Android and didn't even consider iOS or WP7.

 

[B!TCH]

Jobs was definitely a better visionary/salesman than Gates, but this is why Gates was the better businessman.

Gates didn't just talk about killing his competition, he would actually go out and put them down. If Gates was in charge of Apple he would have destroyed Android the same way he destroyed Netscape. It is probably a good thing for the tech industry in general (but bad for MS shareholders) that he is using his genius for humanitarian causes now.

You must have missed the part where Microsoft declared war against Google? Bill Gates probably hates Google more than Jobs did. Steve Ballmer himself famously said he was going to "kill" Google.

 

[The Technomancer]

if people don't like the search results that Google provides, they will switch to another, better search engine. i mean, that's how Google got to where they're at... better results!

Assuming Google wouldn't leverage they're power in an anti-competitive way, sure. That's the problem with pure capitalism: it assumes that all endeavors succeed and fail on their own merits without accounting for the fact that sometimes a really good service or product fails because someone in power didn't like it.

 

[Mael]

There is a reason you can't copyright ideas. It stifles innovation and competition.

Apple blatantly copies the ideas of plenty of other businesses. If it didn't, we wouldn't have ever had the iPod.

Competition is good. Monopolies are bad. Anti-competitive business practices are bad.

Woah someone on GAF understand what free market is?
Time to get the champaigne!

And lol at describing Linux (or even Unix) as an inconsistent experience, seriously that's like the trademark of Windows (bu bubut when you configure and use it well it works! guess what happens when you configure and use well a Linux?).

Assuming Google wouldn't leverage they're power in an anti-competitive way, sure. That's the problem with pure capitalism: it assumes that all endeavors succeed and fail on their own merits without accounting for the fact that sometimes a really good service or product fails because someone in power didn't like it.

They're investigated right now by EU and to tell the truth they're in no way the same amount of trouble as Microsoft.

 

[Dina]

It's truly fitting. A techno-deity worthy of his subjects.

ding ding ding

edit: in fact, this entire statement is beyond ridiculous. Apple was made big by copying ideas of others. karma is a bitch, job. too bad your karma didn't save you from pc in the end.

 

[bionic77]

You must have missed the part where Microsoft declared war against Google? Bill Gates probably hates Google more than Jobs did. Steve Ballmer himself famously said he was going to "kill" Google.

Ballmer is a clown though with no vision. I don't think Google (or Apple or any of their competitors) has much to be worried about from him.

 

[The Faceless Master]

There is a free iPhone with contract. What cheaper Android phone is there? If someone's paying me to have an Android device, I'm all for it.

yeah, you can get a 2 year old iPhone 3GS for free with a contract... OR a dual core Android phone with 720p/1080p video recording, a 5-8mp camera and who knows what else that was released this year...

 

[The Faceless Master]

Assuming Google wouldn't leverage they're power in an anti-competitive way, sure. That's the problem with pure capitalism: it assumes that all endeavors succeed and fail on their own merits without accounting for the fact that sometimes a really good service or product fails because someone in power didn't like it.

like?

 

[brotkasten]

this right here is exactly why i switched from WM6.5 to Android and didn't even consider iOS or WP7.

Android is pretty much the successor of Windows Mobile in many ways, with all it's pros and cons and that's not a bad thing.

 

[reggieandTFE]

You mean the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation might have an ego and a dark side?

I'm shocked, I say. SHOCKED. I just assumed that since so many people liked his products that he was like an angel come to earth.

Exactly, the other details coming out paint him very similar to any other American CEO: ego big enough to think Obama should call him personally to request a meeting, whining about how America needs to gut environmental and worker regulations to be more like China and blaming teachers' unions for the problems in the education system. For such a visionary, his economic policies strongly echo the dominant social paradigm.

 

[rezuth]

According to Mr. Isaacson, Mr. Jobs was one of 20 people in the world to have all the genes of his cancer tumor and his normal DNA sequenced. The price tag at the time: $100,000. The DNA sequencing that Mr. Jobs ultimately went through was done by a collaboration of teams at Stanford, Johns Hopkins, Harvard and the Broad Institute of MIT. The sequencing, Mr. Isaacson writes, allowed doctors to tailor drugs and target them to the defective molecular pathways. A doctor told Mr. Jobs that the pioneering treatments of the kind he was undergoing would soon make most types of cancer a manageable chronic disease. Later, Mr. Jobs told Mr. Isaacson that he was either going to be one of the first “to outrun a cancer like this” or be among the last “to die from it.

Is this the right thread for this?

 

[The Technomancer]

like?

I'm not going to say Microsoft straight up killed Netscape Navigator (they started falling behind the curve at the end), but they sure dealt some serious blows.

 

[B!TCH]

Ballmer is a clown though with no vision. I don't think Google (or Apple or any of their competitors) has much to be worried about from him.

Doesn't Microsoft get a cut of every Android phone sold (or from certain Android partners) in the form of a royalty check?

I guess that is pretty funny.

 

[Mael]

I'm not going to say Microsoft straight up killed Netscape Navigator, but they sure dealt some serious blows.

Everyone and their dogs know about the misdead of MSFT, he probably asked for Google.

 

[iapetus]

Android at least in the last year I have been using it has got a lot of features iPhone doesn't have. So now if iPhone gets widgets does it mean they stole it from Android?

Or, say, a notifications system that looks suspiciously similar to that used in Android...

 

[bionic77]

Doesn't Microsoft get a cut of every Android phone sold (or from certain Android partners) in the form of a royalty check?

I guess that is pretty funny.

Yeah that is correct and funny. But it doesn't change the fact that Windows Mobile was there first (compared to BB, iOS and Android) and Ballmer let this new market just slip through his finger and didn't react until it was way too late.

Gates would have never let something like that happen.

 

[The Technomancer]

Everyone and their dogs know about the misdead of MSFT, he probably asked for Google.

Ah, in that case yeah, Google hasn't turned evil...yet. Maybe they won't at all. I thought he was talking about my broader "competition fixes all" point.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Android is pretty much the successor of Windows Mobile in many ways, with all it's pros and cons and that's not a bad thing.

yep.

*looks at XDA now*

*looks at XDA 3 years ago*

 

[Mael]

Ah, in that case yeah, Google hasn't turned evil...yet. Maybe they won't at all. I thought he was talking about my broader "competition fixes all" point.

He's right though competition fixes all.
Netscape died and we had that shitty monopoly with the rises of malwares with them and then just like that IE got shafted and we got Firefox and Chrome as a result (Safari is a joke...even on a mac).
Without monopoly we get stuffs like Linux and its serverside OS which are way better than anything a single company could provide (in short, lol Sun, lol MSFT and lololol Apple).
Google isn't abusing its power so they're pretty much ok in my book.
You're right though sometimes free market is lame as in the energy sector (still beats the hell out of a private monopoly....looking at you Enron).
I think Google is the only case one can have that shows that a private monopoly is not always downright evil for the consumers and people at large.

 

[killakiz]

*adds thread to reading list*

 

[The Faceless Master]

I'm not going to say Microsoft straight up killed Netscape Navigator (they started falling behind the curve at the end), but they sure dealt some serious blows.

wait... what???

we were talking about GOOGLE

you said they could use their power

i was expecting an example of what Google could do

 

[Azih]

Yeah that is correct and funny. But it doesn't change the fact that Windows Mobile was there first (compared to BB, iOS and Android) and Ballmer let this new market just slip through his finger and didn't react until it was way too late.

Gates would have never let something like that happen.

I don't know even 90s era Gates needed to get to revision 3 software to really put their foot on competitor throats and step down.

 

[The Technomancer]

wait... what???

we were talking about GOOGLE

you said they could use their power

i was expecting an example of what Google could do

A specific example? No, I can't think of anything off the top of my head because it hasn't happened yet. They have a lot of money and a lot of power and if they felt like being dicks then they could. Is this really in dispute? Other companies have done similar things, hence my Microsoft example, since I thought you were disputing my general point. If you aren't, then you're argument is basically "Google is different"

 

[iapetus]

Bye Bye

The day he was perma-banned was a great day.

 

[Mael]

I don't know even 90s era Gates needed to get to revision 3 software to really put their foot on competitor throats and step down.

He's right though, HTC and co would never have been able to sign anything with Android anyway that IS the Gates way of doing business.
You kick them out of the market without needing to go to court or even the market really.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

Doesn't Microsoft get a cut of every Android phone sold (or from certain Android partners) in the form of a royalty check?

I guess that is pretty funny.

They make more money off of Android than they do off of Windows Phone 7 at the moment lol

 

[Jenga]

The technology icon also revealed he stopped going to church at age 13 after he saw starving children on the cover of Life Magazine, the AP cited the book as saying

i wondered if he stopped using apple when that whole foxconn incident occurred

 

[Guardian Bob]

Well Google CEO Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board when they were developing the iPhone. I would be kinda pissed if he left and guess what, makes a rival phone OS.

 

[Emerson]

It's common knowledge that Steve Jobs was an asshole. The fact that he's dead doesn't change that. He was a genius and a visionary, and in classic genius form was egotistical and short-tempered.

 

[Mael]

i wondered if he stopped using apple when that whole foxconn incident occurred

lol

Well Google CEO Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board when they were developing the iPhone. I would be kinda pissed if he left and guess what, makes a rival phone OS.

To be fair unless if Jobs had any beef about that he could have taken the issue before a judge. It's a free country after all.

 

[The Technomancer]

To be fair unless if Jobs had any beef about that he could have taken the issue before a judge. It's a free country after all.

And GAF would have dogpiled on Jobs for "trying to patent a touchscreen, what an asshole"