Steve Jobs Biography describes Jobs as hell bent on destroying Android

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dark10x said:
iOS and WP7 are both equally fluid. Both operate at a smooth 60 fps and deliver very responsive controls. I also greatly respect both of them as they each followed their own vision and delivered something new. WP7 is a triumph, as far as I'm concerned, as it did NOT attempt to copy the iOS model. It's quite unique and well designed.

Android, however, has always had that homebrew Linux feel to me. It's not polished at all and even the fastest hardware delivers an inconsistent experience. Definitely not a fan. Something like Android is well suited to a PC environment, but for a mobile phone I don't much care for it.
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which is frustrating, because what i'd actually like is an android approach with the attention to detail of WP7 or iOS. I.e customisable live informaiton on multiple homescreens.

I like how android does the widgets actually - no separate widgets, just have an app and the app enables a widget view, and fairly flexible grid based sizing. But they are often just clunky. I think you could port the general model across to ios pretty easily and know they'd do a better job of it.
 
dark10x said:
iOS and WP7 are both equally fluid. Both operate at a smooth 60 fps and deliver very responsive controls. I also greatly respect both of them as they each followed their own vision and delivered something new. WP7 is a triumph, as far as I'm concerned, as it did NOT attempt to copy the iOS model. It's quite unique and well designed.

Android, however, has always had that homebrew Linux feel to me. It's not polished at all and even the fastest hardware delivers an inconsistent experience. Definitely not a fan. Something like Android is well suited to a PC environment, but for a mobile phone I don't much care for it.
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I could not agree more. I love android, as it was my first touch OS, but I think sometime between Nov-April I will be moving to iOS.

The biggest reason I'm sticking to Android is because I'm working on a few apps, but after that I will keep my current phone as my dev phone and make the switch.
 
The_Technomancer said:
And GAF would have dogpiled on Jobs for "trying to patent a touchscreen, what an asshole"
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1) good luck with patenting something you didn't invent and exists plenty of prior art
2) since when did jobs even cared what GAF thought or even what his customers thought?
 
Guardian Bob said:
Well Google CEO Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board when they were developing the iPhone. I would be kinda pissed if he left and guess what, makes a rival phone OS.
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Android was an independent company working on a smartphone OS when they were bought by Google in 2005, two years before the unveiling of the iPhone.
 
Mael said:
1) good luck with patenting something you didn't invent and exists plenty of prior art
2) since when did jobs even cared what GAF thought or even what his customers thought?
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I know, I was mocking how so many people boiled the Samsung lawsuit down to "Apple is trying to patent the rectangle!"
 
Liu Kang Baking a Pie said:
Yep, great example. Sony rushed out an analog stick to compete for PS1, and then both Sony and Microsoft rushed to compete with motion controls years after Nintendo caught them out of nowhere.
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As far as this thread is concerned, though, I think the difference is we haven't heard about Satoru Iwata threatening to go thermonuclear over Move, or Shigeru Miyamoto dedicated to the death of non-DS touchscreen gaming.
 
The_Technomancer said:
I know, I was mocking how so many people boiled the Samsung lawsuit down to "Apple is trying to patent the rectangle!"
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Well it's pretty much what's happening, they're basically trying to effectively block a competitor by going to court.
I mean let's be real who would be clueless enough to claim he intented to buy an iphone and bought a Galaxy s2 by error? This kind of product come with a plan anyway, so you ARE notified specifically what you're buying at some point.
And if it was a patent dispute, instead of a trademark issue, it could have been settled by a licensing contract anyway.

Oozer3993 said:
Android was an independent company working on a smartphone OS when they were bought by Google in 2005, two years before the unveiling of the iPhone.
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Oops I guess Schmidt was smarter than Jobs in this case, if Apple's CEO can't follow the aquisition of its competitors....

JoshuaJSlone said:
As far as this thread is concerned, though, I think the difference is we haven't heard about Satoru Iwata threatening to go thermonuclear over Move, or Shigeru Miyamoto dedicated to the death of non-DS touchscreen gaming.
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And you forgot Nintendo suing everyone into oblivion for a patent dispute everywhere because they had a patent on "move something and results happen on screen".
 
The_Technomancer said:
I know, I was mocking how so many people boiled the Samsung lawsuit down to "Apple is trying to patent the rectangle!"
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well, it's hard to judge Apple's intentions from 10 feet away.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
As far as this thread is concerned, though, I think the difference is we haven't heard about Satoru Iwata threatening to go thermonuclear over Move, or Shigeru Miyamoto dedicated to the death of non-DS touchscreen gaming.
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or them failing spectacularly at it
 
Oozer3993 said:
Android was an independent company working on a smartphone OS when they were bought by Google in 2005, two years before the unveiling of the iPhone.
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Again, Android was different before the iPhone was unveiled.
 
B!TCH said:
Doesn't Microsoft get a cut of every Android phone sold (or from certain Android partners) in the form of a royalty check?

I guess that is pretty funny.
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In fact, I think they made more money from Android than Google. lol

fake edit: That's a lie. They make more money off of Andoird than wp7. Still funny.
 
brotkasten said:
Again, Android was different before the iPhone was unveiled.
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And the iPhone was different as well before Android introduced many new features. I don't understand the point.
 
dude said:
And the iPhone was different as well before Android introduced many new features. I don't understand the point.
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Hes trying to say Android would still primarily be those ghetto Blackberry-esque prototype devices if the iPhone never released.
were still bros, bro
 
“I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
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So I guess google won, huh?
 
dark10x said:
iOS and WP7 are both equally fluid. Both operate at a smooth 60 fps and deliver very responsive controls. I also greatly respect both of them as they each followed their own vision and delivered something new. WP7 is a triumph, as far as I'm concerned, as it did NOT attempt to copy the iOS model. It's quite unique and well designed.

Android, however, has always had that homebrew Linux feel to me. It's not polished at all and even the fastest hardware delivers an inconsistent experience. Definitely not a fan. Something like Android is well suited to a PC environment, but for a mobile phone I don't much care for it.
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Ehh... I'm a huge fan of WP7 and I have no problem with iOS (though I'm not a fan) - But each OS has something going for it - Android didn't just take the iOS model, it has this whole desktop-like homescreen thing going for itself and such. At first look, Android doesn't really look like iOS (and doesn't feel like it, either). though It's obvious many ques were taken from iOS.

And I don't know man, I've used Android extensivley and am yet to feel that anything close to "linux homebrew". It's running as smooth as any iPhone or Windows Phone I've ever held.


Jtwo said:
Hes trying to say Android would still primarily be those ghetto Blackberry-esque prototype devices if the iPhone never released.
were still bros, bro
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So? If Motorola didn't invent the modern mobile phone the iPhone wouldn't exist. If J-phone didn't release the camera phone than the iPhone might not have had a camera and if there was no Blackberry who knew what the iPhone would have been.
Android didn't "copy" more than Apple.
 
To be fair, the mouse cursor can show up from time to time.. I'm serious. Sometimes in Android a mouse cursor appears for a split second.
 
The thing that cracks me up about this now is that Apple has taken a few things that Android has now to improve iOS. If you ask me, having them both around is good for both user bases, because in the end it'll improve both products.
 
notsol337 said:
The thing that cracks me up about this now is that Apple has taken a few things that Android has now to improve iOS. If you ask me, having them both around is good for both user bases, because in the end it'll improve both products.
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Competition is great and I doubt Steve had much problem with it besides how it came into creation.
 
rezuth said:
Competition is great and I doubt Steve had much problem with it besides how it came into creation.
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lol

Steve Jobs don't have a problem with free market unless he's got competition putting his product on the sideline
 
I'm not sure I've ever seen the personal vitriol elsewhere that comes out against Jobs. Dude did some stuff, competed in the marketplace, let himself be portrayed honestly in a book, died of cancer. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
 
dude said:
And the iPhone was different as well before Android introduced many new features. I don't understand the point.
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Keeping up with the competition feature-wise is not the same thing as changing your entire product to base it around being as identical as possible to something your competitor is doing.
 
rezuth said:
Why would he hate what allows Apple to exist?
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Steve Jobs said:
“I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
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He sure did love Android.
And he sure did love MSFT no longer putting their software on his platform and being a competitor with Windows.
Heck he loved competition so much he allowed Mac OS X to be freely installed on other computers!
 
dude said:
So? If Motorola didn't invent the modern mobile phone the iPhone wouldn't exist. If J-phone didn't release the camera phone than the iPhone might not have had a camera and if there was no Blackberry who knew what the iPhone would have been.
Android didn't "copy" more than Apple.
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Yeah, we're saying the exact same thing. I was making fun of that guy.
 
Mael said:
He sure did love Android.
And he sure did love MSFT no longer putting their software on his platform and being a competitor with Windows.
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So in your mind he would have been happy with Apple not existing at all and we'll all be IBM slaves or something? Don't be daft. Hating how he got cheated is not the same as hating competition.
 
iapetus said:
Or, say, a notifications system that looks suspiciously similar to that used in Android...
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Yes, because a tiny feature of an OS is equal to the hardware design and entire user interface.


Jenga said:
i wondered if he stopped using apple when that whole foxconn incident occurred
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You mean the suicides?


Surely the people at Apple, halfway around the world, were responsible for that stuff. Not the cultural influences on those people who killed themselves, or bad family lives, or poor personal choices that led them down a bad path, or harsh bosses within certain departments, or living under a tyrannical government.

Yup, the blame goes to Apple, because surely someone is to blame. Surely.
 
Jtwo said:
To be fair, the mouse cursor can show up from time to time.. I'm serious. Sometimes in Android a mouse cursor appears for a split second.
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I have only seen a cursor in my android devices when I hook my keyboard and mouse up to my tablet. Are you using 1.5?
 
Kano On The Phone said:
Keeping up with the competition feature-wise is not the same thing as changing your entire product to base it around being as identical as possible to something your competitor is doing.
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Hmm... Maybe I don't understand the meaning of the word "identical"?

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Android behaves and works different than iOS, it looks and is designed different than iOS, it's built different than iOS.
Sure, there are some similarities, especially when it comes to the applications menu, but... that's kinda it.
 
Kano On The Phone said:
Keeping up with the competition feature-wise is not the same thing as changing your entire product to base it around being as identical as possible to something your competitor is doing.
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When something comes out and is a great hit, does it makes sense to keep doing what you're doing or to move to what is working for a competitor?

When someone is doing something better than you, such as notifications, does it make sense to ignore that or start to address the problem?
 
notsol337 said:
I have only seen a cursor in my android devices when I hook my keyboard and mouse up to my tablet. Are you using 1.5?
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Nah, I'm on Gingerbread and you're right it seems to have been fixed.
But it was still definitely a thing for the majority of the 2 years I've been an Android user.
 
rezuth said:
So in your mind he would have been happy with Apple not existing at all and we'll all be IBM slaves or something? Don't be daft. Hating how he got cheated is not the same as hating competition.
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Okaaaaaaaaaay, if you're intenting to spout PR lines I might as well bail out.
He didn't get cheated at all, he was well aware (or he was a moron which some say isn't possible) that Schmitd owned via Google Android. If he did his homework he would have seen it coming.
He didn't, case closed.
 
BruiserBear said:
Yes, because a tiny feature of an OS is equal to the hardware design and entire user interface.
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So you're saying it's okay to steal up to a certain percentage of the UI? What percentage exactly?
 
The_Technomancer said:
A specific example? No, I can't think of anything off the top of my head because it hasn't happened yet. They have a lot of money and a lot of power and if they felt like being dicks then they could. Is this really in dispute? Other companies have done similar things, hence my Microsoft example, since I thought you were disputing my general point. If you aren't, then you're argument is basically "Google is different"
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so you can't think of anything?
 
Mael said:
Okaaaaaaaaaay, if you're intenting to spout PR lines I might as well bail out.
He didn't get cheated at all, he was well aware (or he was a moron which some say isn't possible) that Schmitd owned via Google Android. If he did his homework he would have seen it coming.
He didn't, case closed.
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Hah, so because I'm trying to lighten up the mood I'm spouting PR lines?
How was he suppose to know that Google (allegedly) we're going to copy something that Apple made? They we're close partners and had people on the board for Apple.
 
andycapps said:
When something comes out and is a great hit, does it makes sense to keep doing what you're doing or to move to what is working for a competitor?

When someone is doing something better than you, such as notifications, does it make sense to ignore that or start to address the problem?
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When did I say it didn't make sense?

dude said:
Hmm... Maybe I don't understand the meaning of the word "identical"?
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I think the "as possible" is the part you're struggling with, actually.
 
rezuth said:
Hah, so because I'm trying to lighten up the mood I'm spouting PR lines?
How was he suppose to know that Google (allegedly) we're going to copy something that Apple made? They we're close partners and had people on the board for Apple.
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I thought you were a little more serious, you're right it's good to lighten the mood.
Google has not made a secret that they bought Android, so yeah they were bound to know that since Apple wasn't using Android they were bound to be competitors at some point.

And I fail to see the love of competition from Jobs, if they loved competition THAT much they would have allowed people to buy their computers were they want and get the OS from them.
 
Kano On The Phone said:
I think the "as possible" is the part you're struggling with, actually.
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I doubt it. Making it as identical as possible wouldn't have included the massive improvements that things like widgets brought. However much Android owes to iOS (and it does owe a lot to it), it also brings a lot of its own stuff to the table.
 
iapetus said:
So you're saying it's okay to steal up to a certain percentage of the UI? What percentage exactly?
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Tiny features deemed unimportant up to the point deemed important enough to include. Like copy and paste, or 3g, or tethering......
 
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