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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!

NysGAF

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My math classes participate in the Stock Market Game. Last year one of my teams won 1st place in our region (about 330 teams) behind the strength of a pharmaceutical company (remember the ebola scare?). They were in 1st for the entire run (Sep-Apr). This year is much more tense. My best team was hovering at about 60th place until very recently when they invested in a different pharmaceutical company (zika virus). Now they're in 2nd and less than 1% profit behind the leader.

Here's my question... they're in deep with this one stock. They have no diversity and the game ends Friday. So if the stock does well we may win, but if it takes any sort of hit, we're out. Do they go for broke and invest in something else, or is it too late? The commission fee for each transaction is 1% and they have about $50,000 to play with. With only five days of trading left I told them to just hold for now, but I have no idea if that was good advice. It's probably not enough information to give me any advice, but I thought it couldn't hurt to ask.
 

Omiee

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Hi everyone,

I am very interessted to get into stocks. Any tips you could give me? Is there like a newb start guide. Do you guys use any specific program or service to trade stocks? which is the easiest to use for somebody who does not have a lot of time to check? A service that could send you alerts is very helpfull.

Also do you guys give each other tips which stock to buy or is it just that everybody just trades on their own.

very eager to get into it to be honest.
 
Hi everyone,

I am very interessted to get into stocks. Any tips you could give me? Is there like a newb start guide. Do you guys use any specific program or service to trade stocks? which is the easiest to use for somebody who does not have a lot of time to check? A service that could send you alerts is very helpfull.

Also do you guys give each other tips which stock to buy or is it just that everybody just trades on their own.

very eager to get into it to be honest.
Don't invest money you can't afford to lose and don't invest in risky stuff. At least that's what I do. No unknown small companies, no stuff with low volumes. Just normal companies like oil, cars, consumer products, finance, etc. I also stay clear of tech myself, but mostly because we have little of those in Europe. And I don't do companies that are not profitable. Might not make the big money this way, but whatever, I sleep better at night.

Also be a little patient. Multiple times already I set a certain target goal for myself, only to give in and have it reached a few days later. For example, had a sell order at a certain amount, caved yesterday and took a small profit, only to see it rise to my previous target this morning. Missed out on about 2% profit there.

As for services, I don't know the brokers in your country, but just look around and check the costs. Over here they vary a lot. Some charge a minimum of € 10 per transaction, one I'm at now only charges € 4 for example. Adds up if you do a few trades a week sometimes.

Don't know if there are any services that sent out alerts and such. Just watch the news wire on the stocks you follow and see that nothing sticks out in the negative. There are sites out there claiming to give the best stock tips and sell subscriptions, but that mostly seems like scams to me, so I'd stay clear.

Topic here is a little quiet, so not much tips and such going on sadly.

I'd just start with a small amount for a few months and slowly rise it with the amounts your comfortable with. Don't fall for hypes, don't panic and invest in solid companies you believe in. That's what I did when I started last year.
 

Melon Husk

Member
That invisible market ceiling.
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Gotta say that I agree with this, China's done edit: plunging, as in it's over

original_52827698.
 

vpance

Member
Outside of Activision, I wouldn't know which company is actually healthy long term in gaming at the moment.

Good day all around at the moment. Thank you China for the good numbers.

EA staying over $68 would be nice. But I think it trades similarly to ATVI anyhow, purely going by the look of their charts.

That invisible market ceiling.
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Gotta say that I agree with this, China's done edit: plunging, as in it's over

original_52827698.

Yeah, commodities rebounding supports that case.
 

massoluk

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Oh man, I beat the market so hard today with KMI (3.46%) and MON (4.84%), I hope I didn't make a mistake not bailing out of them when I had the chance.
 
Oh man, I beat the market so hard today with KMI (3.46%) and MON (4.84%), I hope I didn't make a mistake not bailing out of them when I had the chance.
Nice :)

Happy here also:

DAI 65.64 3.35%
BMW 83.07 3.31%

Very good day for German cars. See if it holds. Still a bit in the red on DAI, stop limit going with BMW. See if it holds tomorrow or pocket a bit and buy back if it goes back to 78-80 again.

Didn't go for Netflix. Afraid the Euro/Dollar will work against me anyway.
 

Ether_Snake

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Everything has been going too well recently, so I guess I'll see big dips soon /eyesroll
 
I'm wondering if FTNT will have some good earnings.
I'm doing more research for cybersecuirity stocks and so far the only ones I'm researching are FTNT and CHKP. Any stocks in this field that I should research?


If AAPL gets hit this earnings call, I will prob jump barring really bad news.

I also bought some BABA, so hopefully some good news this earnings call. Even if not, It's a long term investment.


I really like GOOG but don't have a position in it yet. If it comes down some I want to get in.

I'm following a bunch of stocks but I think most are priced too high at this moment compared to historical pricing. Maybe things have changed and higher PEs are becoming the norm.
 
I have about 75% of my SCTY stock on a limit order to sell at $38, I have a feeling it is going to have a good week with bad reports coming from non-renewable energy companies like Exxon, but I think it is going to drop back down quite a bit over the course of the summer. I would be taking quite a hefty profit away if it reaches $38. I am finally back up on the stock about 8% after being down significantly for most of the winter.

I have spread out most of the rest of my money into high yielding dividend stocks/ETFs like AT&T, SPY, WFC, and Coke. I sold Honeywell back about a week ago because I was up 20% and holding onto the little amount of stock I had in it for dividends was sort of peanuts in comparison.

Overall since I started last August I am up 16%, so I'm not sure if I am just super lucky or actually have a pretty good grasp of what is going on.

One last note, I am evaluating getting some NTDOY stock, I think with the prospect of more mobile games (especially ones that might have more aggressive IAP than Miitomo) and the NX around the corner that they could be undervalued right now. Definitely still a risky stock to go for, but it has a lot of upside right now I think.
 

Ether_Snake

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I have about 75% of my SCTY stock on a limit order to sell at $38, I have a feeling it is going to have a good week with bad reports coming from non-renewable energy companies like Exxon, but I think it is going to drop back down quite a bit over the course of the summer. I would be taking quite a hefty profit away if it reaches $38. I am finally back up on the stock about 8% after being down significantly for most of the winter.

I have spread out most of the rest of my money into high yielding dividend stocks/ETFs like AT&T, SPY, WFC, and Coke. I sold Honeywell back about a week ago because I was up 20% and holding onto the little amount of stock I had in it for dividends was sort of peanuts in comparison.

Overall since I started last August I am up 16%, so I'm not sure if I am just super lucky or actually have a pretty good grasp of what is going on.

One last note, I am evaluating getting some NTDOY stock, I think with the prospect of more mobile games (especially ones that might have more aggressive IAP than Miitomo) and the NX around the corner that they could be undervalued right now. Definitely still a risky stock to go for, but it has a lot of upside right now I think.

If you invested at the bottom in the S&P since last august, you would have made around 12-15%.

Don't read too much into your stock-picking gains, people fool themselves by not looking into how simpler broader strategies would have performed (fewer fees, less time spent tracking anything, dividends, etc.). Your time reference is too small to evaluate if you can beat the markets.
 
°°ToMmY°°;201910973 said:
That contract with the chinese government might be worth something
Worth 350 million if I'm reading it right.

I don't have a good feeling with AMD and not putting my money in it. Too high risk for me. But I don't know all their details either honestly.
 

massoluk

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God damn, I hope people are safe today. After hours trading for tech companies are brutal today, especially Apple and Twitter. Glad I bailed from Google earlier last week.
 

Ether_Snake

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I don't think Google and FB are really worrisome, Twitter yes and always was a bad pick.

AAPL is TBD, I think they have increasingly less markets for them. The phone is replacing everything, so eventually it will put them on risky grounds to have nothing else to rely on, already has really. They have to really take over the TV market pretty much by force, but I don't think they have the culture to do it, it would imply some huge buyouts like Netflix or Sony, whatever they can do to get a big jump start on the hardware and service. I don't see Tim Cook going for it until the company has really bled.

But once they do it, they could really start to merge everything together nicely. Your PC/tablet, your phone, your TV, all Apple; basically just three different monitors with some computing power.
 
Apple has some really lousy guidance for the next quarter -- much lower than analysts were expecting. I wonder if they are just playing it safe.

The iPhone 6 did really, really well in terms of the installed base upgrading their phone and I wonder if people just wanted the bigger screen. Now that they have that, will they be less willing to upgrade to the 7?


I'm thinking the price will to around $90 ish because their earnings call wasn't really encouraging.
Low guidance despite SE being released this quarter is also something that's bothering me. I guess they aren't making headway into China/India.

Tim Cook made it sound like they have something in the pipeline that we don't know about but that could just be my imagination.





FTNT did really well on their earnings, which I have to listen to as I'm curious as to what they said. I really need to familiarize myself with cyber security lingo.
 
Ouch for Apple stock and Twitter (well, are we really surprised by that last one?). Facebook and Google will be fine. Certainly Facebook can grow further I think. Apple will be a reliable stock for years to come, but don't expect any large growth like the last years. People will keep replacing their phones, but it seems the markets Apple is in are a bit maxed out for them. Can't really blame people either at those prices.

Most of my stocks are recovering again after a bit down. Oil a bit up, Unilever and AH (consumer goods) doing OK. Too bad about Daimler, why'd you have to mess with your emissions! -10% now.
 

vpance

Member
Must be those Rift sales, hehe. Forgot they were reporting. That dip today looked like a good buy.

Oil and FB to support the rest of the markets in the face of fails by AAPL, TWTR, GOOGL, NFLX, MSFT...
 
Great results from Facebook: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fa...es-proposal-for-new-class-of-stock-2016-04-27

I absolutely didn't expect FB, out of all the big tech stocks, to be the one acing their earnings.
Their mobile strategy is really, really working wonders. Damn. No wonder they want to lock people in their apps more. No way around the ads also that way, which is good for them.

Mobile advertising revenue – Mobile advertising revenue represented approximately 82% of advertising revenue for the first quarter of 2016, up from 73% of advertising revenue in the first quarter of 2015.
 

Ether_Snake

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Great results from Facebook: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fa...es-proposal-for-new-class-of-stock-2016-04-27

I absolutely didn't expect FB, out of all the big tech stocks, to be the one acing their earnings.

It kind of makes sense. FB has maximum "user penetration" (ok, I made that term up), in the sense that the user is at the core. Companies like Google have to knock on the door to try and peddle stuff to the users, Facebook is already in the house. It should theoretically also allow them to target users with more relevant adverts.

I'm guessing they're going to spend the cash to buy Snapchat eventually.
 
My oils stock finally in the black. Sold for a tiny profit (and got some dividend in between, so that's nice). See if it drops a few percent again and I'll start buying it back.

Really wished I had more money earlier this year to buy when it was 30% lower, but what can you do.
 

vpance

Member
Bought a little NFLX here.

Got out of my position in oil yesterday, market seemed a little dangerous, and still is.

AAPL at 85-86 could be worth a shot. Maybe by next week if the market keeps dumping, but that break of 91 will be nasty. Trying to hold for the 3rd time will likely fail.
 
Bought a little NFLX here.

Got out of my position in oil yesterday, market seemed a little dangerous, and still is.

AAPL at 85-86 could be worth a shot. Maybe by next week if the market keeps dumping, but that break of 91 will be nasty. Trying to hold for the 3rd time will likely fail.


What price did you get Netflix at?
I think I saw it at 89 at one point. I don't really know what price I should jump in.

I am hesitant to buy right now as I feel like the market might start swing downwards.
I'm also worried about the Euroexit vote in June, which can also be a catalyst for the market going down.
 
I am hesitant to buy right now as I feel like the market might start swing downwards.
I'm also worried about the Euroexit vote in June, which can also be a catalyst for the market going down.
Could go either way it seems. We just had some big gains over the past weeks again, so might be better to wait a bit. Although what is the alternative at the moment really. Interest rates are less then I would pay in taxes if I'd put money in savings at the moment, so stocks or funds are the only way to grow some money in this environment.
 

vpance

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What price did you get Netflix at?
I think I saw it at 89 at one point. I don't really know what price I should jump in.

I am hesitant to buy right now as I feel like the market might start swing downwards.
I'm also worried about the Euroexit vote in June, which can also be a catalyst for the market going down.

89.5 but I got out later on Fri, didn't feel comfortable holding over the weekend.

Seasonality is the big question now. Will sell in May apply again this year? I'm starting to buy some insurance again, since it's cheap anyways.
 
Man, I should have sold SCTY when I was up significantly. I think it still works out as a long term stock, but I could have made a pretty penny and then just reinvested it right back in with this drop.
 

Ether_Snake

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Ha, DDD, SCTY, and SSYS. Three stocks I own that usually all tank together.
 
Is there ever a situation where you should sell VBR or VTI index funds?

Even if the market is way way up?
Nope. Index funds like that are a long term strategy. You are holding on to these for at least a few years - for example to save up for a large purchase -, if not until retirement.

Look at the graph for VTI and you see that it is useless to sell in between. Unless you can predict a gigantic market crash like in '08, you'll probably end up losing out.

Even if you bought just before the '08 crash, by now you would have a 40% return on them. Just let it sit. At least that's what I'd do if I had them.
 

Ether_Snake

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Man Facebook really sucks. As much as I think they got user-access like no one has, I'm increasingly finding it to be pointless and I'm wondering if there isn't a pronounced downward slope ahead for the site. Not sure how the company might adapt to this. I'm all Instagram these days, and a bit of Snapchat.

Good thing they own Instagram, but FB itself I would think is about to go down now and it will become an issue for the company over the next two or three years if they don't offset that. Maybe growth in some other countries will help where cultures are a bit different, but I expect the next big thing to be something that allows users to connect on a more private level, something about actual close circles of friends.
 

Akira

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Man Facebook really sucks. As much as I think they got user-access like no one has, I'm increasingly finding it to be pointless and I'm wondering if there isn't a pronounced downward slope ahead for the site. Not sure how the company might adapt to this. I'm all Instagram these days, and a bit of Snapchat.

Good thing they own Instagram, but FB itself I would think is about to go down now and it will become an issue for the company over the next two or three years if they don't offset that. Maybe growth in some other countries will help where cultures are a bit different, but I expect the next big thing to be something that allows users to connect on a more private level, something about actual close circles of friends.

It's already here. It's just super fragmented in the form of WhatsApp, GroupMe, Line, Kik, etc. with their group messages.

Maybe it could be a screen or account sharing app that lets you share and watch Netflix/YouTube/browse sites together while chatting or talking.
 
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