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ElFly

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I don't know about the difference between 3k and 3p lariats.

On one hand, it'd be useful, particularly if they made one of them to hit crouched people. I'd abuse more the one that avoided low kicks.

On the other hand, I'd rather remove 3P lariat and transform it into a fireball motion. Maybe a tatsumaki motion. I know I don't use Lariat outside of combos right now, and that I have better ways to deal with fireballs anyway; Snake Eyes seems to be using Lariat as antiair, but I am seeing more success with cHP anyway.

AlphaDragoon said:
I'm sick of Capcom taking away the donkey kick. Just give it back to Ryu, he only has three specials. You're not exactly breaking the game by giving him a fourth.
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I don't care too much about donkey kick, but maybe it'd be good so Ryu has more incentive to risk the HP shoryuken, if donkey kick only comboed after it.

CrackpotDesert said:
I like Psycho Crusher as Bison's most powerful attack. That's as it should be.

I'm expecting his Aegis Reflector to be his V Trigger.
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I find weird that Dictator's signature move became scissor kicks instead of psycho crusher.

Gotta agree on Aegis.
 
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Skilletor

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CountBlack said:
Yes I know all of this, I'm just saying for future characters I don't expect them to have all they had in their original games. I hope that they add more to them instead of taking away though.

I don't expect Urien to have all his tools he had in 3s. Something will probably be missing, either his ability to change the trajectory on his projectiles or no headbutt or something.

I can't imagine Yun making it into this game with anything close to his toolset in 4. Palm/Shoulder/Dash punch/Upkicks/command throw/genei jin. He'll be lucky to make it out with just genei jin and dash punch lol
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I think they did this with the intention of adding things over time. Hopefully they get to.

I think it's easier to add things for balance them so things are useful rather than giving characters tons of tools and trying to do the same thing.
 
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Garrett Hawke

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Are there any option selects left? Cus they're taking out a few in the next patch, right? Wonder if they'll just keep removing them as they find them.
 
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lucebuce12

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ElFly said:
I don't know about the difference between 3k and 3p lariats.

On one hand, it'd be useful, particularly if they made one of them to hit crouched people. I'd abuse more the one that avoided low kicks.

On the other hand, I'd rather remove 3P lariat and transform it into a fireball motion. Maybe a tatsumaki motion. I know I don't use Lariat outside of combos right now, and that I have better ways to deal with fireballs anyway; Snake Eyes seems to be using Lariat as antiair, but I am seeing more success with cHP anyway.
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Snake eyes does use lariat as an anti-air too, but only if they're directly above him/about to cross up. It's a little slow, but it gets the job done.
 
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Whales

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CountBlack said:
Yes I know all of this, I'm just saying for future characters I don't expect them to have all they had in their original games. I hope that they add more to them instead of taking away though.

I don't expect Urien to have all his tools he had in 3s. Something will probably be missing, either his ability to change the trajectory on his projectiles or no headbutt or something.

I can't imagine Yun making it into this game with anything close to his toolset in 4. Palm/Shoulder/Dash punch/Upkicks/command throw/genei jin. He'll be lucky to make it out with just genei jin and dash punch lol
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Well, Necalli does have a DP, a charge move, a command throw, the stomps and a ''projectile'' ( his vskill)

But yeah, giving every char too many tools is annoying IMO.

It already feels like there's waaay too many chars with command throws now.
 
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Garrett Hawke

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ShogunDarius said:
Was there any differences rather than design between the Shadaloo, the Ryu and the Chun Li fight sticks?
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Dunno about Shadaloo but the fight sticks are a little mislabelled in the OP, I'll have to fix it when I get to my computer later. Apparently the Ryu is the TE2+ and the Chun is just the TE2, which is why it doesn't have a touchpad.
 
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Trickster

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Seriously, and I says this with every fiber of my being. Fuck cammy, may anyone who plays that bitch die a horrible death
 
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IntelliHeath

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CountBlack said:
Yes I know all of this, I'm just saying for future characters I don't expect them to have all they had in their original games. I hope that they add more to them instead of taking away though.

I don't expect Urien to have all his tools he had in 3s. Something will probably be missing, either his ability to change the trajectory on his projectiles or no headbutt or something.

I can't imagine Yun making it into this game with anything close to his toolset in 4. Palm/Shoulder/Dash punch/Upkicks/command throw/genei jin. He'll be lucky to make it out with just genei jin and dash punch lol
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Unfortunately, I'm going to expect Urien to be less crazy in SFV.
 
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Shito

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Garrett Hawke said:
Are there any option selects left? Cus they're taking out a few in the next patch, right? Wonder if they'll just keep removing them as they find them.
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They left the most common form of option selects: two in ones that do nothing if the first normal whiffs.
For example, VRyu made me realize that Laura had a very good option at mid-distance, outside of the range of zoning characters: st.LK xx LP or EX elbow
If the light kick whiffs, nothing comes out, you're just whiffing a light kick at a safe distance. If the light kick catches a poke, though, it gets cancelled to the elbow for the combo and then you're in their face.
 
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ElFly

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CountBlack said:
Yes I know all of this, I'm just saying for future characters I don't expect them to have all they had in their original games. I hope that they add more to them instead of taking away though.

I don't expect Urien to have all his tools he had in 3s. Something will probably be missing, either his ability to change the trajectory on his projectiles or no headbutt or something.
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I think Urien will make it more or less intact, special wise. I really doubt headbutt will be lost, I'd be more fearful for the knee drop. That or making all fireballs horizontal. Maybe his fireballs will be arced.

Dunno about his CAs tho. Gonna guess the charges will be his CA and stand by Aegis being the V-Trigger. It'd be interesting if they gave him both V-Trigger and CA as Aegies, to replicate his double Aegis setup, but doubt it will happen.
 
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CountBlack

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Whales said:
Well, Necalli does have a DP, a charge move, a command throw, the stomps and a ''projectile'' ( his vskill)

But yeah, giving every char too many tools is annoying IMO.

It already feels like there's waaay too many chars with command throws now.
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Yea Necalli has reminded me the most of Yun and the fact that he was a divekick as well.

That's why I laughed off when somebody said Necalli was the worst character in the game when he has an amazing kit for most situations.


Skilletor said:
I think they did this with the intention of adding things over time. Hopefully they get to.

I think it's easier to add things for balance them so things are useful rather than giving characters tons of tools and trying to do the same thing.
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I'm hoping they change up characters at the end of each season. Not just balance changes but adding more moves and such. Probably a bit too much but eh.
 
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Garrett Hawke

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Hyun Sai said:
They stated they wanted get rid of them, so I suppose they will stand by their word.
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LakeEarth said:
I'm sure more will spring up. And Capcom will nerf them once they become noticed.
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tbh... I don't mind that. Makes things feel a little clearer.
Shito said:
They left the most common form of option selects: two in ones that do nothing if the first normal whiffs.
For example, VRyu made me realize that Laura had a very good option at mid-distance, outside of the range of zoning characters: st.LK xx LP or EX elbow
If the light kick whiffs, nothing comes out, you're just whiffing a light kick at a safe distance. If the light kick catches a poke, though, it gets cancelled to the elbow for the combo and then you're in their face.
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huh, didn't know that one either.
Trickster said:
Seriously, and I says this with every fiber of my being. Fuck cammy, may anyone who plays that bitch die a horrible death
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lucebuce12

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Trickster said:
Seriously, and I says this with every fiber of my being. Fuck cammy, may anyone who plays that bitch die a horrible death
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I'm noticing a bit of a pattern.

Seriously what do you against Fang? I cannot for the life of me tell when, if ever, his standard combo's are punishable. They just continue until he's like "now let me just back off and do more poison shit"
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Man a decent Vega just owns Mika's soul I guess. Can't do shit lol
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How do you actually fight Rashid? I don't understand, catching him is impossible, and he seems to have a million safe bullshit moves
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Skilletor

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lucebuce12 said:
I'm noticing a bit of a pattern.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197316467&postcount=12119
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197310299&postcount=12038
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=196959299&postcount=8898
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hahahahahahaha

AgentOtaku said:
Seriously.... Why does everyone hate SFIV now?

Like, I'm legit asking as I thought everyone loved it

Thanks SFGAF
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Personally, the game never felt right to me. Jumps were weird, frame data felt weird...too easy to upper in blockstrings, or use a reversal, so that it always felt like a guessing game when i was pressuring. I hate being able to FADC moves on block to make them safe. I hated invincible backdashes. I hated OS stuff.

I just hated the game. It didn't feel right to me. I love watching high level SF4, but I rarely enjoyed playing the game.
 
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HeartlessNobody213

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While I didn't care too much for Ultra's in SFIV, Ryu having his donkey kick special would have been perfect in that game. Can you imagine doing an ex donkey kick into metsu shoryuken??

Shit would be hype as hell.
 
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Secret Character

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AgentOtaku said:
Seriously.... Why does everyone hate SFIV now?

Like, I'm legit asking as I thought everyone loved it

Thanks SFGAF
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SFIV is probably my least favorite mainline game in the entire series. Things like jab combos, invincible backdashes, and FADC into bullshit are the reasons the game should stay dead.
 
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Garrett Hawke

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I like the idea that some of you are just keeping receipts of shit posts to pull up on an occasion like this lmao

like just a text document full of links
 
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7DollarHagane

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ElFly said:
I don't know about the difference between 3k and 3p lariats.

On one hand, it'd be useful, particularly if they made one of them to hit crouched people. I'd abuse more the one that avoided low kicks.

On the other hand, I'd rather remove 3P lariat and transform it into a fireball motion. Maybe a tatsumaki motion. I know I don't use Lariat outside of combos right now, and that I have better ways to deal with fireballs anyway; Snake Eyes seems to be using Lariat as antiair, but I am seeing more success with cHP anyway.



I don't care too much about donkey kick, but maybe it'd be good so Ryu has more incentive to risk the HP shoryuken, if donkey kick only comboed after it.



I find weird that Dictator's signature move became scissor kicks instead of psycho crusher.

Gotta agree on Aegis.
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Psycho crusher never made much sense as an attack that goes through the opponent. There's no other rushing forward attack like that in the game. Boxer's punches, honda's headbutt, blanka's roll, etc all push the opponent back on block or hit.

It really can't serve any purpose other than a combo end special because if he isn't vulnerable on block it's OP, if he is, it makes no sense. The scissor kick makes it redundant.
 
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"God's Beard!"

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AgentOtaku said:
Seriously.... Why does everyone hate SFIV now?

Like, I'm legit asking as I thought everyone loved it

Thanks SFGAF
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SF4 is a very good game, but many people including myself only played it because it has the most competitition. There's a lot of annoying stuff in that game.

ElFly said:
I don't know about the difference between 3k and 3p lariats.

On one hand, it'd be useful, particularly if they made one of them to hit crouched people. I'd abuse more the one that avoided low kicks.

On the other hand, I'd rather remove 3P lariat and transform it into a fireball motion. Maybe a tatsumaki motion. I know I don't use Lariat outside of combos right now, and that I have better ways to deal with fireballs anyway; Snake Eyes seems to be using Lariat as antiair, but I am seeing more success with cHP anyway.
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Lariat has upper body invincibility. You're anti airing too early if you think cFP is more reliable.

There is 0 advantage to making Lariat a motion. Even if you're extremely fast, it adds several frames to your reaction time.
 
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Stone Ocean

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Donkey kick is the most superfluous move ever, specially since thos game doesn't really have wallbounces sans one move
AgentOtaku said:
Seriously.... Why does everyone hate SFIV now?

Like, I'm legit asking as I thought everyone loved it

Thanks SFGAF
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It was a fun game but extremely flawed. Now that I have a better SF game to play I have no reason to ignore those flaws anymore.
 
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CountBlack

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Shito said:
They left the most common form of option selects: two in ones that do nothing if the first normal whiffs.
For example, VRyu made me realize that Laura had a very good option at mid-distance, outside of the range of zoning characters: st.LK xx LP or EX elbow
If the light kick whiffs, nothing comes out, you're just whiffing a light kick at a safe distance. If the light kick catches a poke, though, it gets cancelled to the elbow for the combo and then you're in their face.
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I don't think buffering OS' is something they'd ever take out. That option for Laura is pretty good though, just wish the st.LK has more range.

AgentOtaku said:
Seriously.... Why does everyone hate SFIV now?

Like, I'm legit asking as I thought everyone loved it

Thanks SFGAF
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its a cycle. In 2026 when SFVI is about to launch everyone will hate SFV for how complicated it became and SFVI will be their time to shine.
 
SkylineRKR

SkylineRKR

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AgentOtaku said:
Seriously.... Why does everyone hate SFIV now?

Like, I'm legit asking as I thought everyone loved it

Thanks SFGAF
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I was surprised that it got so much love. I could understand vanilla, the franchise comeback etc. But I started to find SFIV very dull after a few months of intensive play. I disliked FADC from day one. I cheered when SF3 OE was announced... to find out it was rather shit and was sad that the superior SF3 GGPO was killed for it, haha.

SFIV has almost always been boring to me.. though an SF release at all was more than we could hope for at that time. I guess it got a huge free pass. And yea it IS rather balanced imo.
 
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ElFly

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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";198148879]SF4 is a very good game, but many people including myself only played it because it has the most competitition. There's a lot of annoying stuff in that game.


Lariat has upper body invincibility. You're anti airing too early if you think cFP is more reliable.

There is 0 advantage to making Lariat a motion. Even if you're extremely fast, it adds several frames to your reaction time.[/QUOTE]

I know about the frame thing but...zangief is kind of unique on that command move. I find it a weird move right now, certainly aint using it to go through fireballs which was the original intent.

Too...early? that's interesting. Gotta try that.
 
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mbpm1

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Garrett Hawke said:
I like the idea that some of you are just keeping receipts of shit posts to pull up on an occasion like this lmao

like just a text document full of links
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Frauds among us

And yeah, Lariat has upper body inv for a bit, so it should work most of the time or at least trade in most ranges
 
TacosNSalsa

TacosNSalsa

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AgentOtaku said:
Seriously.... Why does everyone hate SFIV now?

Like, I'm legit asking as I thought everyone loved it

Thanks SFGAF
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It's what the game evolved into.Hard knock down was way to easy to get in the game allowing for the set play to dominate at almost all level . Also if you had meter and a move that you can FADC you can just say fuck it and throw it out there without much care.
 
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