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Street Fighter V |OT3| Frauds Among Us
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And lightning butt, air lightning butt.
Nemesis121
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Give Zangief his green hand back while you at it..
ThirtyPlus
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May I ask what your fighting game history looks like?
When did you start playing fighting games, what are your favorites, what types of characters do you play?
Secret Character
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I've learned that my character(s) and playstyle has major weaknesses. I'm trying to do better.
That being said, Sim does alright against Ryu. He certainly has answers for j.LK. He doesn't deal with corner pressure well, and his damage output is much much lower than Ryu's. I have a real hard time with the Necalli matchup too.
That being said, Sim does alright against Ryu. He certainly has answers for j.LK. He doesn't deal with corner pressure well, and his damage output is much much lower than Ryu's. I have a real hard time with the Necalli matchup too.
stn
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Dhalsim is a direct counter to Ryu, has been for practically forever. I watched some high level sets and it looks as difficult as ever, especially without a focus attack to randomly absorb a hit and pray you get in.
EDIT: I'm all for people ranting about bad matchups, its just the nature of it. But I feel like you have to be on the receiving end of ST Zangief v. Honda in order to truly appreciate how ugly a matchup can get. No focus attack, no V-trigger, no V-reversal, no ultra, no parry - no nothing. You either stand in a corner and mash cr. jab and hope you stuff a headbutt, or you walk forward into death.
EDIT: I'm all for people ranting about bad matchups, its just the nature of it. But I feel like you have to be on the receiving end of ST Zangief v. Honda in order to truly appreciate how ugly a matchup can get. No focus attack, no V-trigger, no V-reversal, no ultra, no parry - no nothing. You either stand in a corner and mash cr. jab and hope you stuff a headbutt, or you walk forward into death.
Secret Character
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It's a lot different with this game. Improper spacing and timing a single normal wrong can mean that Ryu gets to go in an do pretty heavy damage. In ST and all the way up to IV, Sim's normals generally covered a different range of space and had recovery that wasn't too bad. This game is very very different.
Edit: Oh god. The ST Gief x Honda matchup is super tough to deal with
Trickster
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Started around 2½ years ago with SF4. Outside of that and SF5 I haven't really enjoyed the other ones I've tried.
In SF4 I played a lot of different characters to various success, like T.hawk, Cammy, Seth, Ryu, Ken and Poison.
In SF5 I've been dedicated to Mika
Garrett Hawke
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Dhalsim
Rashid?
Secret Character
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In SFV, Chun, Necalli, Cammy.
I think bipson beats sim 6-4.
Only if Karin gets a divekick
stn
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Someone with an air attack. Someone with fast walk speed. Someone with ambiguous jumps. Straight-forward footsie characters have always been given trouble by 'Sim, its the fast-paced rushdown characters that have caused him grief.
See: ST Cammy, ST Vega, SF4 Yun, SF4 Yang, SF4 Akuma, SF4 Cammy, etc...
Can Ryu get a command grab? Lol
skLaFarebear
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Been asking for this since OT2.
Garrett Hawke
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only if Cammy gets a projectile
stn
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Cammy - she has a dive-kick and fast mixups.
Chun-Li - good pokes and fast walk speed
Necalli - dive kick, has that claw dash which can absorb one hit
I also wouldn't be surprised if Rashid has a slight advantage. He has an air flip, a dive kick, and his v-trigger tornado seems like a good counter to long-range pokes.
Secret Character
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His mobility options are actually stopped by a lot of good pokes. His v-trigger is a problem, but it doesn't vacuum in if you're airborne and teleporting away after a jump works against it.
The matchup is strong for Sim when he's playing a mid-range game, but as soon as Rashid is outside of poke range, it's a lot harder.
Mediking
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I had a REALLY good casual match against a Ryu today. It came down to us both having very small health but I pressed the wrong button and he caught me with me guard down. It was a great game. Too bad there isn't a way for me to tell whoever it was that it was a good game. The only way I tell people its a good game is having Cammy's default message which pretty much tells the other guy it was a good game when I win.
the_log_ride
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I'm not trying to be a cunt but...
Maybe chill with the "humble" brags breh
Damn, Garrett. I wasn't gonna say anything, but since you brough it up, you forgot the post below in response to me:
UcchedavÄda
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Keep in mind that Necalli's dash only absorbs one hit of projectile damage, so that characteristic is not so useful in this matchup, since only Sim's EX fireball goes horizontal and it hits twice. However, it does allow Necalli to punish Sim's regular fireballs at near full screen, getting you in at the same time.
can r mika have a teleport?
yeah but bison's gotta get a comboable overhead first
Vic-Rattlehead
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be godlike if she could throw the mic like a fireball
Nah make it a wired mic like scorpion's spear. +5 on block.
Secret Character
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Ucchedavāda;199209474 said:
His crouching jab also is lightning fast. If he's up close, like glue, he can stop most of what Sim is doing because of the speed of his normals.
UcchedavÄda
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Vic-Rattlehead
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Garrett Hawke
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WhoopsDamn, Garrett. I wasn't gonna say anything, but since you brough it up, you forgot the post below in response to me:
T for Teen!
Ideal Mika:
- Dhalsim teleport
- Ryu parry
- Projectile
- Dragon punch
- 1 frame command grab
direct_quote
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If you guys want a fireball you can have Ken's fireball. I'd trade that for a command grab..
the_log_ride
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I'll take ken's fb for sim. Here, you can have his crappy HP yoga fire in its place.
Have you checked out the VFrames app?
lucebuce12
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UcchedavÄda
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direct_quote
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Do I get a teleport and good normals then too?
lucebuce12
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If it makes you feel any better, I've been saying how good Necalli is pretty much since release even though I don't play him myself.
Man, the only way I have to play this game is on my roommates wifi connected PS4 on his horrible input lag having 6 year old Samsung TV. And his couch is really low, so playing with my arcade stick in my lap is super awkward. I would just buy a PS4, but the talk of a refresh makes that sound like a bad idea. Would be easier to swallow if PS4s weren't $350.
Oh well, guess I'll just be scrub tier for life 😭
Oh well, guess I'll just be scrub tier for life 😭
Garrett Hawke
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fwiw I think the "PS4K" stuff is nonsense. makes literally no sense for Sony to do that when the console is already selling fantastically + there's no way they'll get a GPU that can run any modern AAA games at 4K without it costing like $1000.
I'd bet like $10 that it's literally just a PS4 with 4K spec HDMI and somehow that's been miscommunicated down the pipeline of rumours.
sixteen-bit
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PS4K is a tight name tho
Garrett Hawke
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lucebuce12
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That would make a lot of sense if this didn't happen
Crab Milk Mickey
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Not really. In most Street Fighters it's always been an even-ish match-up that slightly favoured Dhalsim once you understood the nuances; the above is an overblown reputation largely because of the subtle intricacies at play that most people simply never bothered to pick up on.
Street Fighter V exemplifies this, and if anything Ryu has the (marginal) advantage now due to how the fireball game has changed for Dhalsim among other things.
Anyone with good corner carry, frame traps (plus subsequent mix-ups) and mobility. There are no hard counters in this game though, so in this case it just translates into Dhalsim having to be more deliberate.
Necalli's divekick is garbage against Dhalsim or just about any character with strong anti-airs, really.
What makes that match-up tricky isn't because of the reasons you outlined. Intelligent V-Skill usage coupled with Necalli's fast forward dashes, the up-close pressure he can apply in combination with the threat of a command grab as well as his SRK-esque attack rendering Dhalsim's Yoga Drill or instant-air Yoga Gale pressure less effective are the primary dangers to look out for. It's still not lopsided however, since both characters have to be meticulous in their approach against one another.
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