Top 10. She ain't top 5.
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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
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Top 10. She ain't top 5.
Who do you think is top 5, then?
In my opinion, losing the +1 elbow and whatever the hell they were thinking with cr.LK is not nearly enough to remove her spot as one of the best characters in this game.
CountBlack
Member
laura's top 20 at best imo
OmnipotentO
Member
She really wasn't.
Rog performance so far have been comparable/better than S1 Chun even though only two notable players are using him. Urien just won a super stacked tournament this past weekend and the first Tobanga SFV, it's not the character's fault if the one top player using him doesn't travel much.
Like, who are people expecting to win stuff with Urien in the US, LI Joe or Gootecks?
I was looking at my "Respect" tab on CFN, to see what my most viewed replay was. Decided to check out what it was, and it was something like October 2016, me playing Balrog and the opponent playing Chun-Li.
Every other moment, the opponent would be using air legs. Watching older videos really puts into perspective what was messed up in S1.
That works. But I'd personally replace Ibuki with Laura. It is very important to remember that Laura has a 2-bar V-Trigger, and she has 1k health. She can activate V-Trigger twice in a single round.
I'd say this was the top 5 even before the update. Still might be the case.
Yeah. I think the update just put it in stone.
TheSpoiler
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No, that's not my point. Those characters still have problems. Nobody can refute that. But in terms of how dominating the top tiers are, it's not consistent with the claims that Top 8s would only just have those three characters (guest starring a few more) and how things turned out in reality.
That's the other side of my point too. I can only think of Idom and Strider for Laura, and Brian F and Smug for Rog. The latter did really well recently, and Smug does well at NLBC, but he still gets bodied from time to time so it's not always a blow up. In terms of results, Smug has placed in Top 8s the most, but there are dozens of other players doing that more than him I think.
Just seeing one Rog as opposed to like seven is better than most people thought SFV would turn out this year.
Again, we didn't see a mass of people rushing to Urien after all those cute combos. Things rarely ever go as predicted in terms of calling what character is going to show up in a Top 8.
If you told me Nash would be winning anything, or even getting within Top 8, I'd call you crazy. But here we are. That isn't to discount Bonchan or anything. Just that shit always plays out weird in fighting games.
Shadoken
Member
Wow damn you are correct. Damn that is literally every SF series getting a rep this season. Pretty cool.
That was because of the big lack of SF3 characters in the base roster.
But honestly I dont think there are many Alpha characters left besides Sakura. Rose might be represented via Menat. And Dan is well Dan , Dont thin Adon is coming back either. FF chars might have their own season , since they have Alpha,SFIV and SF3 characters within themselves anyway.
I am surprised that Fei Long hasnt hit yet , hes the only popular SF2 character left. And his style is not represented at all.
Urien still has to "play fair" and rely on a bunch of stray hits for a big bulk of his damage despite having a great V-Trigger. He doesn't have that chain-potential outside of it that makes Laura/Balrog so annoying.
TheSpoiler
Member
Guess we need to
Buff
Urien
Buff
Urien
CountBlack
Member
st.HP
Why would you even do that to yourself
TheSpoiler
Member
Fun dudes in both games man. But I might drop the Tekken one and go with someone else. Don't have the time.
Hey, it's not +3 on block.
If that Season 3 list is accurate, I wouldn't be surprised if Fei Long was in Season 4. As you said, he's the last popular SFII character left to add (assuming that Sagat makes Season 3).
lucebuce12
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Tradeoff: dash up cr.hp into fireball into tackle guaranteed, regardless of range.
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Plus I would argue that needing to play "fair" doesn't necessarily preclude from being the best, or one of the best characters in the game. Guile probably needs to play fairer than Laura, and he doesn't have that sort of explosive damage that she has, but I wouldn't hesitate to say that he's a better character than her.
Urien has amazing normals, great anti-airs that lead to mixups or big damage combos, an invincible reversal, high health/stun, good specials, easily one of the best V-Triggers and a fairly useful V-Skill. He has all the makings of a great character, so of course Capcom had to take it a step further in S2 by giving him a +2 cMK, even more health and an EX move that gets him in free.
Is it really a trade off if Rog can still get comparable or even more meterless damage. 🤔
Just glad they didn't touch st.HP cc though.
My argument more is that Urien, like Guile, is really good but that it's fine because he isn't miserable to play against.
sixteen-bit
Member
Early 2017 left SFV behind
That I can definitely agree with.
katsubento
Member
I never thought she needed the nerfs.
lucebuce12
Member
She needed nerfs lol, but Capcpom in their infinite wisdom, punched her in the face when a stern talking to would've gotten the job done.
Making the air legs minus and adding more recovery to the st.hp alone would have made her a very fair but still decent character.
Shadic7700
Member
I know this is a joke but as a Urien player I love buffs, but I'd much rather have more costumes!
katsubento
Member
Sorry, I meant as to what she got as to what she should have gotten.
Except Street Fighter 1. There is like 5 characters that never made the jump to Alpha, after all.
And if FF counts as a series to rep I want my Saturday Night Slammasters rep.
Where the cold shit are all my bad guy costumes. Lotta bad guys missing costumes
Shadic7700
Member
I want to see a Roman Emperor outfit for Urien that would be SICK with the wreath on his head and the cape!
Birdie, Ken, Ryu. All SF1.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Man, I'm not sure how I feel about offline modes anymore.
Been playing through tekken story/arcade, and the input reading bs AI is just so frustrating with their perfect answer to everything you do.
The final secret boss took me nearly an hour because it's just nigh impossible without relying on gimmicks that only work on AI.
Treasure battle is ok because the AI isn't as turned up and even if you lose you don't have to fight the same character again anyway, it's just an endless stream of random fights, plus the rewards are cool.
I would really enjoy something like it in SFV, but I think I would just straight up ignore arcade mode when/if they release it, I'm tired of the game deciding that I'm allowed to get a hit in now.
Been playing through tekken story/arcade, and the input reading bs AI is just so frustrating with their perfect answer to everything you do.
The final secret boss took me nearly an hour because it's just nigh impossible without relying on gimmicks that only work on AI.
Treasure battle is ok because the AI isn't as turned up and even if you lose you don't have to fight the same character again anyway, it's just an endless stream of random fights, plus the rewards are cool.
I would really enjoy something like it in SFV, but I think I would just straight up ignore arcade mode when/if they release it, I'm tired of the game deciding that I'm allowed to get a hit in now.
Steam has now caused my controller on my pc to stop working with this game, and have alternate functionality I asusme trying to navigate my entire desk top instead.
If this doesn't work, I wont be able to play street fighter
and I will have wasted a fuck ton of money on a game that the thing, that allows me to play it has fucked it up.
And I don't think they will refund me
FUUUUCK MMMMEEEEE
If this doesn't work, I wont be able to play street fighter
and I will have wasted a fuck ton of money on a game that the thing, that allows me to play it has fucked it up.
And I don't think they will refund me
FUUUUCK MMMMEEEEE
you cant use joy2key or something?
Edit: through round about fuckery, I now have parts of the controllers I have working. its as weird as it sounds.
I'm going to have dig it and figure out what the fuck steam did to the controlers.
Edit: GOT IT
Figured out the problem for anyone else this happens to, SFV uses the Steam PC Desk top controls and the steam specific game controls. Why I don't know capcpom. I guess anywho, yeah mess with both of them. Also bonus I can now use that ps3 stick I like with the jiggly trigger because I moved the sensitivity down
I'm going to have dig it and figure out what the fuck steam did to the controlers.
Edit: GOT IT
Figured out the problem for anyone else this happens to, SFV uses the Steam PC Desk top controls and the steam specific game controls. Why I don't know capcpom. I guess anywho, yeah mess with both of them. Also bonus I can now use that ps3 stick I like with the jiggly trigger because I moved the sensitivity down
The post I was quoting was referring to the S2 cast.
Shadow_Lord
Member
Finally got a hang of piano-ing with Ed on pad. Still far from being consistent but I'm definitely finding my rhythm. It is a pain in the ass especially with my button config.
That's basically how I feel. It's why I've never been too bothered by SFV being comparatively light on SP content. At this point in life, fighting anything other than another person feels, at best, like a waste of time, and at worst it's straight up irritating. The gimmicky stuff you see in NRS games like modes that let you fight without arms or whatever doesn't interest me either.
paolo11
Member
Man, you really have an amazing Ken. It will be sad if you have it up. I do understand how you feel thought. I main Ryu haha
Assuming that the S2 & 3 leaks are accurate, the representation split would be...
SFV would still outnumber the others in reps, unless you get technical and list Kolin, Ed, & Zeku as SFIII, IV, & Alpha respectively.
- SFI: Ryu, Ken, Birdie, Sagat
- SFII: Chun-Li, Guile, Dhalsim, Zangief, M. Bison, Balrog, Vega, Cammy
- SFA: Charlie Nash, Karin Kanzuki, Rainbow Mika, Sakura
- SFIII: Alex, Ibuki, Urien, Oro, Necro, Q
- SFIV: Juri, Crimson Viper
- SFV: Rashid, Necalli, Laura, F.A.N.G, Ed, Kolin, Abigail, Menat, Zeku
SFV would still outnumber the others in reps, unless you get technical and list Kolin, Ed, & Zeku as SFIII, IV, & Alpha respectively.
I'm down with this.