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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
- Thread starter Reizo Ryuu
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ColonialHawk
Member
No character trailer or teaser?
So chuffed for this guy. He deserves it.
TheSpoiler
Member
To be fair I wouldn't show a teaser on that bootyhole internet
They shouldn't nerf DPs because your dumb ass can't play without jumping
why would you design a game with jumping if jumping is a bad move? that's just bad design overall
DPs now are invincible against air attacks. that's all they need
everything else was just a cheap get out of jail card
Rickenslacker
Banned
It's seriously unreal how hard they consistently shit the bed at managing this stuff. I like the game so much, but there are things that should have been quickly resolved months ago, hell, a week after launch, that we're still waiting on.
I could have swore Spoiler said there would be a reveal at CEO. mmm, maybe I'm wrong. He's always so certain. Reminds me of us nintendo fans randomly going "metroid at this year's E3! all the signs are there!!" with no fucking proof what so ever.
Anyways, that last page...the whole "the better you are at the game the more you hate it". I, and I'm not trying to shit on anyone's skill, generally believe that's true. When I hit Diamond, and started getting matched with higher and higher folks, I just...didn't like the game I was seeing. Shit ain't fun. Shit, I haven't played in 3 fucking weeks. It's just so much work can go into neutral only to get blown up by vtrigg...yada yada yada
Long story short, F Champ was spot on with "marvel with lag". And I'm not really down to keep playing marvel with none of the defensive options.
Anyways, that last page...the whole "the better you are at the game the more you hate it". I, and I'm not trying to shit on anyone's skill, generally believe that's true. When I hit Diamond, and started getting matched with higher and higher folks, I just...didn't like the game I was seeing. Shit ain't fun. Shit, I haven't played in 3 fucking weeks. It's just so much work can go into neutral only to get blown up by vtrigg...yada yada yada
Long story short, F Champ was spot on with "marvel with lag". And I'm not really down to keep playing marvel with none of the defensive options.
Yeah thats what im getting at, capcom is just doing a terrible job at getting us hyped for its anniversary. The ball was dropped, hard
He said sfv was like marvel with lag? If only..lol.
I think Capcom Japan really fucks up Capcom USA's management because seem to be holding most of the cards.
Jumping is not bad, it's just risky because the reward you get from jumping is high. That's good game design.
DPs were a get out of jail card in a game were you can eat 35% damage/50% stun combos? Yeah sure buddy.
spazchicken
Member
I just found out today that Gief's new counter grab works against Nash's MK.Sonic Scythe. That was one of three of my main tools against him and I'm at least 90% against all Giefs I have ever played. As crazy as it sounds, the match up is so bad, I'm confident my sorry ass could beat Snake Eyes' and Itazan's Gief.
Well I was. I'm not so sure now.
we were talking mostly about dps in earlier games, among them sf2
I mean, those games had some insane combos as well, AND dps were crazy powerful
again, the problem is not that much the AA but the rest of the properties. now they are ok
the new counter grab is a p hard read. snake eyes didn't use it actually that I saw in the last match
TheSpoiler
Member
Nah fam if you are gonna call me out like that you better have the post on deck
That was obviously a joke. Shit. I've always said that they aren't gonna show shit at CEO or any premier event. No need to get all angry with me because you misread something lel
One day they'll give Nash something else.
It'll be a new move. A new move so fast it'll leave the haters behind.
spazchicken
Member
You're talking about against Punk's Nash? I saw that match. I hope it's really difficult, as you say. It deals a lot of damage but at least it puts you at almost full screen.
So there's still hope. I need at least one character in the roster that I can breathe easy against.
lol, I rarely check this thread but when I do I swear you're always saying something like "They'll probably announce such and such this weekend followed by this on Thursday since such and such wasn't talked about last week. Maybe by tomorrow in the afternoon"
And I always see these post early in the morning as I'm heading to work thinking to myself "cool, some new sf info today..." only to be met with disappointment and another post from you saying "ok, since nothing was revealed today, probably next thursday since CEO/whatever is coming up and they have to reveal this before they talk about the next update..." and so on.
Not trying to bust your balls
too much
TheSpoiler
Member
Hey now, I can't control what Capcom does or how their marketing should work. Usually my assumptions are laced with hopefully and stark reasons why, and in typical Capcom fashion, they defy me. The only time you know for sure is if you check their Twitter and they throw up a hint. Don't listen to anyone else if you don't want disappointment.
If it makes you feel better, after E3, I'm letting the dice roll where they may. That way, I can be pleasantly surprised from now on, even if it's months late.
I was more talking about the full series of matches against punk; match was the wrong word
karin also has a couple of tundra-able kicks and -that I saw- SnakeEyes didn't grab them either
dunno. it's v possible every zangief player is feeling nervous about that move and ain't using it much. it may change during the year but my early impression is that it is p hard to actually use and opponents will only need to _slightly_ adjust their gameplan
spazchicken
Member
Megawarrior
Member
Where can I watch ANY of the top 8 or 16 today? I was so exhausted from work and missed everything. 😩
Also you guys should know Capcom Japan runs shit. They really remind me of SEGA before they finally got themselves together.
Also you guys should know Capcom Japan runs shit. They really remind me of SEGA before they finally got themselves together.
- No Classic Costumes
- No Chun-Li Costumes that were promised at EVO last year (maybe, I forget what they promised, but the ones they did release have sucked)
- Delayed Characters
The game is really bogged down in delays right now. It feels like they slashed the staff in half for Season 2 then decided to slash it in half again at some point.
Etrian Oddity
Member
5 ranked matches. 5 smurfs L+150 in profile and L+15 in character. Got knocked down a league, not even ashamed about being salty. Play in your league and don't punch below your rank, fuck every single one of you jabroni smurfs, smurfs are scumbags, and if you smurf eat a dick. I'm off for tonight.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Levels like that really don't mean anything. You can get to 250+ easily just going through the single player content for a character.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Their play indicated otherwise. Shit, I even encountered the inverse: Somehow a guy was L27 in his profile but L46 in his Mika. I don't know how that even mathematically adds up for how you need to level the character.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Contextualize this for me, what league was it, and what were they doing that indicated play outside of it?
I'm starting to think this game has a Destiny-like problem where the tool creation was so unwieldy it took ages for a glitch to be patched out, not to mention enemies got repurposed and expansions were considerably smaller than the leaked plans.
SFVI to use MTFrameworks? Capcom seems to have resurrected that engine.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Hi guys, what's goi ...
"God's Beard!"
Member
inarguable pre-evo tier list
I have been a big supporter of SFV, but it is dying for me. This is a big part of that. The lack of communication. The inability to follow through with, or capitalize on, potential momentum. The lack of engagement with the fanbase. In general, just the sense that they are happy keeping the community in the dark (or the growing sense that behind the scenes everything is on fire and the reason we hear nothing is because it is better than us knowing how messed up things are on the developer's side).
I think Street Fighter V is only a few adjustments away from being a game that could have some very, very long legs, but it seems like Capcom is deadly opposed to following through with any of it.
I guess my last hope is that a ton of effort is put into launching Season 3 in a very big way, but I have no faith that will be the case. If anything, it seems like communication will just continue to get worse and worse.
I have essentially lost all faith in the product. I am struggling to care about it. I hate what Capcom has become... I hate how they have failed to adapt...
KidA Seven
Member
https://twitter.com/BlaQnyc/status/830224406576242689
https://twitter.com/BlaQnyc/status/830226783547056129
Xian said in the past that forcing you to neutral more often means nothing due to the neutral tools that are present in SFV. He's right. The game encourages you to dash in due to normals having less range, input lag being higher than usual, slow walkspeed, and great dashes. Normals don't have as much active frames as in the past, are slower, etc...
That's not to say there isn't neutral or footsies. I just think the neutral game isn't as satisfying as in the past. I don't think there is an argument against this. Just look at the neutral tools and rate each game (ST, A2, A3, 3S, USF4, SFV, CvS2?) based on the following traits. I took a look at those games a while back and compared frame data and I'm pretty sure SFV had the lowest points for almost every category.
Walkspeed
Active frames
Range
Startup frames
Input Lag
Punishable sweep?
People like James Chen have come out to defend SFV by comparing whiff punishing not being present in ST, and he's right, but that's also ignoring the fact that ST has better normal tools in those categories than SFV. I actually think 3S has neutral tools most similar to SFV, but in that game you still had faster walkspeed, more range, and less input lag. So SFV always falls short once you take into account every thing that makes a neutral tool great or bad. Until SFV changes those neutral tools I just can't see the game really changing all that much. More supers and more vtriggers isn't going to change the core game.
TheSpoiler
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";241200261]inarguable pre-evo tier list
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This looks like a tier list from someone who's watched a lot of recent tournaments.
Also how you gonna let Necaili fly under the radar like that again. For shame.
This looks like a tier list from someone who's watched a lot of recent tournaments.
Also how you gonna let Necaili fly under the radar like that again. For shame.
lucebuce12
Member
Plateaued in terms of my understanding of the game and my character. Understanding my character in a few months was understandable but having fully figured out the system by a few months with nothing more left to discover? That just didn't sit right with me.
I had already realized by August/September that CCs were a busted mechanic, that "neutral" was non-existent and that rushdown was king. Reactive play didn't really matter and that fireballs and shoryukens (AAs in general) were clearly not a high priority.
I don't generally agree with the whole "this game is random" angle but if ever there was a game where this statement could KIND OF apply to, it's this game. Games like Marvel 3 at least have the advantage of more defensive options, movement options and just the fact that wackiness and difficult-to-react to situations in that game is sort of the point.
I don't mean plateau in terms of skill but that's mainly because skill ceased to matter after reaching a certain threshold (which was what a LOT of people have been complaining about). As a highly defensive and reactive player, my "skill" and understanding against the opponent didn't matter as most situations ultimately came down to way too many 50/50s for "skill" to make any difference. Again, this was the first SF I started to try and "git gud" at so when I started playing other fighting games more seriously, I started seeing what I was missing out on. Killer Instinct in particular is a game that stole my heart as it allowed for the type of play that I wanted WITH CHARACTER's THAT WEREN'T EVEN DESIGNED FOR IT.
I have said this MANY times before in the SFV OTs that all the problems I have with the game are things that they CAN fix. Sure the combos won't be long in this game, but at least have neutral situations matter more than who jumped in/dashed in first. Sure you're making almost every character offense oriented but that doesn't mean you remove defensive options from the game. But I just know that they aren't going to fix ANY of that because they've had two separate balancing opportunities now and in both of them, they removed/nerfed defensive options.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
for me I would like to see 2 things to make the game better (and I really like it but some things to irritate me).
Change crush counters somehow. Maybe only allow them on punishing certain moves. Leave them out of the neutral footsie game because that shit is just anoying as fuck. You end up with people spending the who game just crush counter fishing because when it does hit they get massive damage off you and instant set up for another one.
Add an addition defensive option with the V system. I have said it before but one idea could be to use 2 bars to allow a v-reversal while being hit. Allows you 1 - 2 chances a match to reset to neutral if you get hit by a bad combo but sacrifice v-trigger chances and normal v-reversals to do it.
something like those to me would help a lot. That or get rid of CC altogether and make sure everyone has an invisibile reversal. But I do like CC in at times. Just not how it rewards someone mashing random heavies in the foostis game making footsies a huge risk as some characters.
Change crush counters somehow. Maybe only allow them on punishing certain moves. Leave them out of the neutral footsie game because that shit is just anoying as fuck. You end up with people spending the who game just crush counter fishing because when it does hit they get massive damage off you and instant set up for another one.
Add an addition defensive option with the V system. I have said it before but one idea could be to use 2 bars to allow a v-reversal while being hit. Allows you 1 - 2 chances a match to reset to neutral if you get hit by a bad combo but sacrifice v-trigger chances and normal v-reversals to do it.
something like those to me would help a lot. That or get rid of CC altogether and make sure everyone has an invisibile reversal. But I do like CC in at times. Just not how it rewards someone mashing random heavies in the foostis game making footsies a huge risk as some characters.
Zombegoast
Member
nerf nash who is still considered a gief counter
e: so no abigail?
Guile, Ryu and maybe Chun is Nash only good match up.
Just because Nash has a boom doesn't mean he can zone like Batman or Deadshot in IJ2. Gief can jump
lucebuce12
Member
I see what you mean Spman2099. It also doesn't help that Capcom USA has literally no one to communicate to us with, as Haunts seems to have taken a back seat too. The only way we are receiving any sort of communication right now is through the blog posts and Sneakers on here, and although I appreciate them, I don't think it's enough for the fanbase in this day and age.
Fernando Fernandez
Member
Starting to feel that if you don't follow the e-sport part of SFV, Capcom just doesn't care about you </3
virtuoso88
Member
Gief players on discord feel the move is a nerf with how useless the move is and the input motion makes for mistakes. It's a dp with punches. If they switched it to kicks then it wouldn't be so bad.
lol I suppose we shall find out soon enough.
Zombegoast
Member
Copy and paste him into SFV and he will have the best projectile
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Snake eyez took ceo? Haha that's great, especially because he straight up said he would on the e3 twitch stream after taking that tourney.
CountBlack
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";241200261]inarguable pre-evo tier list
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see! he gets it
see! he gets it
They at least fulfilled the promised communication quota. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Count me in on the not liking SFV being 50/50 the game.
Vortex were already terrible in SFIV, not sure why they think it would be a good idea to make SFV based around a less broken version of it.
Every time I see somebody playing extremely solid taking a huge lead, losing in a flash due to 50/50 the game I can't help but cringe.
While there is still a skill gap between players, I kinda understand how Gamerbee feels.
TheSpoiler
Member
Nahhhhh you can't trick me Count Laura needs to go.