allenpergallon
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No need to revive SFIV when FADC's are going to live on forever if Ryu in Smash and Akuma in Tekken is anything to go by.
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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
- Thread starter Reizo Ryuu
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Rice-Eater
Member
He'll get turned into a motion character and lose one of his specials, either machine upper or dread kicks
Yesterday I watched a ton of SF4 matches again. One of them being Bonchan vs Dieminion. Man, remember when fireball characters fought each other in a long grueling war of attrition? Nowadays it may start that way, but once someone gains a knockdown it can be GG's very quickly. I wish SFV was better at showing a clash of different styles instead of everyone turning into the same character when they gain a knockdown.
Someone should start a weekly "great sfiv match" thing if we're that nostalgic.
My submission: infexious vs reiketsu
Hugo vs poison looked fucking impossible but he somehow made it work
My take on sfiv vs sfv is that playing sfv made me realize all the bullshit I hated in sfiv. But then I played sfv some more and realized all the bullshit I hated about sfv. Now I don't play either
My submission: infexious vs reiketsu
Hugo vs poison looked fucking impossible but he somehow made it work
My take on sfiv vs sfv is that playing sfv made me realize all the bullshit I hated in sfiv. But then I played sfv some more and realized all the bullshit I hated about sfv. Now I don't play either
CountBlack
Member
How about a daily great sfiv match
lucebuce12
Member
That is a core problem of V and one of the reasons watching it isn't as interesting. If I remember correctly they said they wanted to move away from setplay early on with this game, but this is often what it turns into. Throw/shimmy/meaty with every character is just so incredibly boring. You get these 80% comebacks and it's not exciting at all, because there's not that much skill involved after the first knockdown or whatever.
But that's not exactly easy to fix, they would need to change the game a lot to address this.
This. Please.
stn
Member
Just playing devil's advocate here but... wasn't that the case in SF4 as well? Oki character gets a hard knock down, starts vortex. Rinse and repeat. SF4 had zoning and footsies when characters like Rose, Guile, and Ryu were on the screen together. SF5 is no different, though it does have less zoning characters.
To me, SF4 is a jekyll-and-hyde game. Its amazing when two grounded characters are being played, it quickly goes to hell once you have two pure vortex characters on stage. And yes, I'd loveeee Dee-Jay in SFV.
EDIT: There is currently a USF4 PS4 thread that can be revived if people want?
I don't mind it but I know the thread would be derailed constantly. Let's leave the SFV thread for SFV and make a new one for SFIV.
I mean, I know there won't be an SFIV revival anytime soon but even if there is a slight miracle if it does come back, I instantly know people will start to cry and whine about all the issues the game has and how it's the worst SF ever made. It's one of the reasons why SFV is the way it is as Capcom tried to rectify a lot of the issues people had with the previous game.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Go make a separate thread for your ugly-ass SF4 you troglodytes
There's dedicated vortex characters in that game. In sfv by the nature of the game every character becomes a vortex character on knockdown. No matter who you are you play shimmy throw meaty. At least you could do other things on a knockdown on both sides occasionally with sfiv outside of Ibuki shit
It still was in Ultra though
Reizo Ryuu
Member
That's not decapre's theme.
That's the only way SFIV will be talked about, but not played, until SF6 comes out.
lucebuce12
Member
I know.
Rice-Eater
Member
Only some characters had good 50/50 ambiguous mix up. Most characters like Ryu, Chun, Honda, or Sagat had really basic shit like safe jump or meaty. And it was hard for those characters to open people up because of all the defensive options.
I don't want crouch tech or invincibile back dash back. I just want something as simple as throws not allowing follow up pressure mid screen and eliminating throw loops in the corner. That alone would make a huge difference.
ColonialHawk
Member
I dont want to go back to SFIV Gief.
I like SFV Gief. He has good anti-airs, and better SPDs.
I like SFV Gief. He has good anti-airs, and better SPDs.
lucebuce12
Member
How about making V-Triggers have "0" startup? That way you can actually use it as a way to stop time for a second and react accordingly? You won't be able to V-reversal so if you're blocking, you gotta eat that pressure.
Obviously this wouldn't work for supers like Kolin, Rashid's and Ed's that are "moves" and not just installs.
Obviously this wouldn't work for supers like Kolin, Rashid's and Ed's that are "moves" and not just installs.
Chun had unblockables on Cammy and Decapre tho :3
That was also all she had on Cammy, though
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Cool sorta, but a lanyard woulda been nice. Maybe it's delayed for the chamionship edition
SneakersSO
Member
CountBlack
Member
Chun had unblockables on Cammy and Decapre tho :3
That was also all she had on Cammy, though
edit:
Cool sorta, but a lanyard woulda been nice. Maybe it's delayed for the chamionship edition
hmm maybe I should go this year hmm
TheSpoiler
Member
Would people be fine with Rog as he is if defensive options got buffed?
I don't mean online Rog sorry that monster will always be broken.
I don't mean online Rog sorry that monster will always be broken.
CountBlack
Member
All I want changed on Rog is his cr.MK not hitting low tbh. Just so you can walk backwards safely instead of just accepting it and waiting for it to happen and not risk potentially getting beat out by a cr.MK TC -> ggs
SneakersSO
Member
His damage output just needs to go down. Nothing too serious, but the amount of damage he can get,whether he has v-trigger or regular EX's, just makes 1 of your mistakes worth 2-3 mistakes, easily.
SF as a game needs to be balanced around 'how many mistakes can a player make during a match?'. In SF4's case, that answer was somewhere between 4-6. SFV is around 2-4.
The game also has an excellent defensive option - V-reversal. It just needs to be buffed. That & things like throw loop setups need to be nerfed.
in terms of gameplay, SFV is easily the closest SF that I consider to be ideal. It just has a few nagging issues that need to be resolved. SF4 was awful, even though I still watched it & rooted for the game's success.
Shadoken
Member
Chun had unblockables on Cammy and Decapre tho :3
That was also all she had on Cammy, though
edit:
Cool sorta, but a lanyard woulda been nice. Maybe it's delayed for the chamionship edition
Huh? They mailed you the badge? I dont recall them asking for shipping address , when i registered.
Did you specifically ask for the badge? Isnt it usually pick up at the event.
It was one of the options, you had to pay extra for it.
Got mine in the mail, but my wife's isn't here yet even though we ordered at the same time.
you probably should
It was an option when I registered. I figured I'd give it a try. Kinda nice to not wait in lines, but now I need to find a lanyard which is annoying.
Turbanator
Member
"Hey, you know this character whose every aspect is based on punk rock?
Let's give her a jazzy theme."
CountBlack
Member
im really considering it but its so last minute hmmmmmmmm
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Then what's the point? Might as well just use a non CC combo if you are going to add scaling.
Turbanator
Member
The best solution to CCs IMO would be to find a happy medium between standard counters and crush counters. Something like Fatal Counters from other games, where you still get way more damage and frames than regular counters and hits, but you're not like +30 for randomly throwing out a karate chop.
Chun had unblockables on Cammy and Decapre tho :3
That was also all she had on Cammy, though
edit:
Cool sorta, but a lanyard woulda been nice. Maybe it's delayed for the chamionship edition
Wiz says the lanyard will be given out at Evo.
Speaking of which, I'm running 6 brackets (12 hours) on Saturday starting at 8am. RIP me.
So what do we do with all those CC animations?
(I think "What's the point?" is a good question to ask of the CC system)
CountBlack
Member
Priority system + crush counters = stupid
take one of them away and maybe the other would be fine tbh
take one of them away and maybe the other would be fine tbh
Rickenslacker
Banned
Corner throw loops would be alleviated if people stopped quickrising to them over and over again in the corner setting up another throw.
Agreed, game would be so SO much better if they just made CCs count for sweeps. It's a simple change, but it would make the game so drastically different.
lucebuce12
Member
Successfully landing a CC st.hp with Urien in a neutral situation leads to:
Somewhat similar situation applies to Necalli's st.hk, Ken's st.hk, and a few others.
Yeah because I have nothing to fear if I don't quickrise after a throw loop in the corner vs Ken.
- V-meter gain
- Considerable damage.
- Regular meter gain
- Corner carry
- Damage for the st.hp
- Meter gain for the st.hp
- ???
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EX Headbutt
Somewhat similar situation applies to Necalli's st.hk, Ken's st.hk, and a few others.
Yeah because I have nothing to fear if I don't quickrise after a throw loop in the corner vs Ken.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Being in the corner sucks, it's supposed to suck, but throw loops aren't as big of a deal as they're made out to be. Just SF4 it, wake up slow.
been saying this for years