Turbanator
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The game's been out for 1 lol
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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
- Thread starter Reizo Ryuu
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The game's been out for 1 lol
TheSpoiler
Member
His regular one should be more minus and his charged one should be slower tbh
UcchedavÄda
Member
Perhaps one solution could be to have CC only apply if you hit your opponent during the startup of their move, but not during active frames.
If we're keeping everything the same, CC should only give you a setup, imo. Then you choose to go for damage on whiffed specials, or setup and more stun. When in neutral, it gives you a reason to use your amazing CC buttons, but it doesn't lead to tons of damage, just potential.
What? Delayed wakeup does nothing. The gap is so big so they can just setup another Meaty/Throw situation.
CC buttons should be in counter-hit state on recovery. NOW lets see how many morons blindly spam it.
I've said in the past that CC buttons shouldn't be tied to buttons that are amazing in neutral. In a game that they say is about promoting player choice, some of these CC buttons are the opposite of that (see Luce's post).
CC's should be command normals only that you have to have a read on the opponent to utilize.
Turbanator
Member
Having CCs tied to shitty command normals actually sounds pretty good.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Of course they can, but people also complain about wakeup jabs and small windows of active frames so if you're not just perfectly setting them up for another throw it at least changes the situation.
Mostly an Online thing. Everyone wakes up with jab everytime lmao. Meaties arent too bad Offline.
The main reason you see Wake up jab offline is for Moves that can be back-teched. The gap between Quick tech and back tech is just 5 frames. So you need to manually time your meaties , after seeing what they did. In some cases it might not even be possible.
For Quick and Delayed tech its super easy. Do your meaty , oh did it whiff? Use another normal to kill frames and then you can meaty again.
Throws cant be back teched , so its really dumb when you have throw loops in the corner and your character doesnt have a DP.
Yea they should be command normals with a particular use , that fit into the characters tool kit.
Like Nash F.HP is a good example. It can only be used at the right ranges with the right timing , otherwise you will eat a jump in and its -13 on block.
Plus on block CC normals that ppl just randomly throw out is something ill never understand.
CountBlack
Member
Just make more CC's blow back instead of crumple on hit.
The way it works right now is ass backwards
The way it works right now is ass backwards
That isn't a bad of an idea if CH on recovery couldn't lead to Crush Counter. I always thought making reversals CC'able on recovery was way too punishing but if that and CC normals could still let you do regular CH combos on recovery that would probably be fine.
TheSpoiler
Member
Wouldn't that lead to less combo opportunities tho?
ColonialHawk
Member
I was thinking of a crush counter counter. Like what if you could spend ex meter to stop a CC? If you timed it right the CC is negated and you deal some damage and go back into neutral; if you miss you eat the cc combo.
lucebuce12
Member
Maybe we can call it " COUNTER BREAKER "
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
I know, i will try ranked again as there is a new mission for it.
Match one - a smurf ultra bronze with 15 wins. Beats me twice and busts me to ultra bronze. What ever. Its fine i will get back to silver soon enough.
Second match. Murder a silver nash but RQs as i win..... Great.
Third match. A bison that doesn't run me back after i beat him because "MAH POINTS" or something.
Forth guy i beat, get back to silver.
Fuck ranked, its a hole. Back to casual fun times i go.
Match one - a smurf ultra bronze with 15 wins. Beats me twice and busts me to ultra bronze. What ever. Its fine i will get back to silver soon enough.
Second match. Murder a silver nash but RQs as i win..... Great.
Third match. A bison that doesn't run me back after i beat him because "MAH POINTS" or something.
Forth guy i beat, get back to silver.
Fuck ranked, its a hole. Back to casual fun times i go.
ColonialHawk
Member
For reasons I'm not going to elaborate on, I now have stable internet again. Didn't there for a month or so, time to start bashing my head against the online wall. So to speak
Killer instinct is a fun game i'm bad at
Killer instinct is a fun game i'm bad at
TheSpoiler
Member
Tried to take my Balrog scrubbery offline at my locals.
Weird how people can just block my dumb shit now.
Weird how people can just block my dumb shit now.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
lol
Also, it legit looks like Ken face is underneath.
Mikas hair has always been mental in her win screen. Earlier i had one where one of her pig tails was going into her left eye. But she was still there smiling lol.
Turbanator
Member
Darkstalkers Resurrection is one of the PS+ games this month.
I don't play on consoles anymore but I'll see if I can find a way to get a trial for PS+ real quick and nab that for the backlog.
I don't play on consoles anymore but I'll see if I can find a way to get a trial for PS+ real quick and nab that for the backlog.
fwiw you can only access those games while you have an active ps+ account, so if you wanted to play it down the line you'd need to activate ps+
Turbanator
Member
I know that, but I'd like to have it just in case I ever do come back to PS for whatever reason.
there is definitely an online and offline teir list
even when there is minimal lag, like aris said, you don't know the vibe on the otherside. It could be anything. It could be a talented dog playing karin, you have no idea.
sixteen-bit
Member
ring of destiny flythrough
spooky arena flythrough
it's neat seeing all the assets that compose the stages
spooky arena flythrough
it's neat seeing all the assets that compose the stages
Whatever the case with that, Balrog is still at the toppest of tiers both online and off.
What i feel is even if Capcom does listen to the community regarding CCs, they will half ass the fix.
They will add some system or universal change that will reduce the effectiveness of crush counters. And then leave some CCs unchanged , just like with throw loops and AA jabs.
Like why does Balrog need a throw loop when he already has an insanely damaging mixup game. And ofc necalli will have an AA jab so that he can keep mashing St.HK randomly and even if you predict it and jump he will recover in time to AA jab -> Dash up mixup. Why even bother trying to DP.
They will add some system or universal change that will reduce the effectiveness of crush counters. And then leave some CCs unchanged , just like with throw loops and AA jabs.
Like why does Balrog need a throw loop when he already has an insanely damaging mixup game. And ofc necalli will have an AA jab so that he can keep mashing St.HK randomly and even if you predict it and jump he will recover in time to AA jab -> Dash up mixup. Why even bother trying to DP.
TheSpoiler
Member
I'd rather fight a Balrog offline than online.
Sounds good, give it to all of kolin's counters
Zombegoast
Member
Online Bison is still better.
They can somehow mange to CC after a dash when trying to react with a Cr.MK.
A night version of this stage would be amazing.
Rice-Eater
Member
That might be the case but the goal is to weaken the pressure game. More time will be spent in neutral and blows ups will be harder to earn. I honestly think that will make the game more fun to play and watch. I do want throws to be buffed to compensate for this change so it'll definitely hurt a little. Even with a change like this people will still not want to take the throw even with full health so blow ups will still happen quite often.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Agreed. SFV Gief >>>>>>>>>>>> SF4 Gief. He has way more tools and is more than literally SPD->Greenhand.
SF4 Gief was painful to watch (and not just because he looked ugly). V's version is probably the best we've ever seen Gief in terms of fun.
i actually do wish he was more like his SF4 incarnation where he was equally good at offense and defense depending on how you wanted to play your game, but he didn't feel OP. This Rog feels more like Dudley, it feels weird to have a 100% offensive Balrog instead of a 50/50.
Also my poor Ibuki-chan lost her rekkas and is a naruto wannabe
KidA Seven
Member
I think you can slightly weaken the pressure game by making the neutral tools stronger. Faster startup, longer active frames, faster walk speed, and more range on the normals discourages dashing in. Reducing input lag helps with that too and also makes it easier to prevent jumpins. It won't be a huge difference, but it does help.
I'm going to keep preaching this until SF6.
Etrian Oddity
Member
I'm off for tonight, but anyone wanna lounge tomorrow from 11a EST to 4p EST? Wouldn't mind playing some gents here; I work at 5p and don't get off till around midnight.
Rice-Eater
Member
Sure they could do all that, but that requires a retooling of a lot of normals and walk speeds. Changes like that could really affect how good or bad some characters are and would need a lot of testing. Plus it goes against how the game was designed in the first place and I don't see them changing that.
I'm asking for the throw changes because I don't think it would really affect character balance all that much and it keeps the guessing game aspect of the wake up game intact. Throws would just give you more breathing room if you're willing to take it without a challenge. Some characters throws are already like this, I just want it to be universal.
Finally got around to watching this again. It was hilarious to watch them try to remember how to play this game again. They couldn't help it but fall back on SFV habits like the Ryu player doing shimmy's, st. jab anti airs, and st. MP to hit confirm. I did the same exact thing with Evil Ryu when I went back to play USF4 after only playing SFV for a very long time. Got destroyed by a Cammy and said "nope, picking Yun next so I won't have to worry about these habits".
KidA Seven
Member
Damn and people say SFV was done on a tight budget. The detail in these are insane.
Again after this server maintenance i can't find any casual or ranked games, also getting errors when trying to join batte lounges, so basically can't play it online for days until capcom releases a patch. Already tried port forwarding without success.
This is the second time this is happening, every other online game is fine.
Anyone know whats going on? It must be on capcoms end, because a patch fixed it the first time this happened, also strange that it seems to just affect a small group of people, because i couldn't find anyone on other forums with the same problem.
Edit: On ps4 and im from germany.
This is the second time this is happening, every other online game is fine.
Anyone know whats going on? It must be on capcoms end, because a patch fixed it the first time this happened, also strange that it seems to just affect a small group of people, because i couldn't find anyone on other forums with the same problem.
Edit: On ps4 and im from germany.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
Do you know you did the port forwarding correctly? Assigned static ip first etc etc. Trst the ports are open?
sixteen-bit
Member
Yeah they put a lot of work into stuff you barely even see. Shame its banned for tournament streams too because fewer people get to see that hard work
I like the little details but I can't deny resource management has been awful. Instead of creating a story mode they should have just spent that money on a robust arcade and extra battle mode.
CountBlack
Member
They need to bring back Overpass and the Africa stage from IV tbh
lucebuce12
Member
It already is the best stage in the game, it just needs a non-moving variant so that I can use it online without feeling bad.
I personally wouldn't mind Cruise Ship Stern and Snowy Rail Yard making a comeback.
sixteen-bit
Member
airstrip or savannah? there's more than one!
CountBlack
Member
Savannah for sure. We already got two airport/strip stages in V lol