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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
- Thread starter Reizo Ryuu
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i dunno about that? What combo options/routes are you talking about specifically? Like she can cancel legs and fireball into vtrigger now but the damage sucks, her damage was nerfed in s2 even though it was already low in s1. They took away some combo options too
Oh a character with creative combos where exexution can be put to good use, good tools, non stubby normals.... I think a meterless reversal? and it's not being used that much?
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I guess people are dropping him preemptively
Omnistalgic
Member
Why are you always so disrespectful man. We're a little community here, no reason to poke jabs, whether you meant it light hearted or not, it's rude, and wrong.
Just because he had difficulty doing stuff online from training mode does not mean his execution skill was low, there were many highly skilled players that would often say playing offline is like a completely different game.
Definitely agree with giving less V-Gauge on hits and increasing it on V-Skill use. I also want them to make V-Skills stronger for the whole cast with maybe an additional defensive mechanic that gives V-Gauge too.
Have a Nice Day
Member
I want to practice doing my 3 frame normal on quick rise, does anyone have an oki setup that works on 4 frame character so I can know if I'm late with my execution?
Shh that's not the narrative we are following at the moment. We are supposed to believe there is no execution or skill in playing SFV lol.
Don't worry he uses Elena in SFIV and still gets washed up.
That segment is a funny face goldmine.
Ono still does it best lol
CountBlack
Member
it says a lot when I play one of the best SFIV players in the world with one of the best characters and get washed vs playing them in SFV and almost winning lol
Maybe you're better at SFV than SF4 or they are not as good in SFV as they were with SF4?
I mean they are different games.
Best character? That's debatable. I would say the scrubbiest, especially with that Ultra.
CountBlack
Member
not necessarily. the skill gap between pros and just competitive players in 4 was a lot wider than in 5. In 5 you get to see pros struggle with the same 50/50 situations or get randomed out just like every other player sometimes.
I've seen an evo finalist in SFV lose to a platinum or ultra gold at the time Juri player who couldn't crack top 10 at any weeklies lol.
I feel like the joke about Daigo losing to ShinAkuma666 in SFIV could be real in SFV because you never know who gon get got by a random target combo or wakeup jab into ggs
I did say one of the best characters, but if you don't believe so that's fine. She lost a handful of matchups and had below average health. She needed that Ultra lmao
killu4what
Member
SF4 had a OS for everything. And practically everything could be safe. So SfV will definitely have more variation due to those two factors.
CountBlack
Member
How does SFV have more variation when they actively took away most things lol. You had OS' to punish things that people thought were safe so how does that equal out to everything being safe? lol
Elena was top 15 at best. Healing was okay at best. her focus attack, again, okay at best. Scrubby character but not good imo.
What about the top SFV players have you seen punk, Du, phenom, S2 bonchan.... etc drown in pools or suffer against some unknown players? Yes i totally agree with you SFV is way easier than SF4 and the skill gap is not very wide but still the best players of SFV don't seem to suffer that much from it, as i said maybe the top dogs of SF4 are no longer the top dogs here.
CountBlack
Member
I think they all found a playstyle that worked for them to avoid getting themselves into positions of getting randomed out. Both having solid characters that can cover most MU's and being able to make better educated guesses ¯\_(ツ
_/¯ . In Bonchan's case, nobody including bonchan himself expected him to have the success he's having now with S2 Nash, but he did spend all of S1 getting bodied until the very end to get a proper grasp on how to play SFV. I think they do suffer from the possibility of getting randomed out lol, I've never seen pro players so stressed about making it through pools ever. In SF4 they could let their skill carry them over most competitive players. In V, everyone is a threat.
Du/Bonchan/Phenom were all top dogs in SF4 and they're top dogs again in V. Du didn't like the game either but kinda forced himself to stop complaining and just go with it because winning a $500K prize pool is a heavy incentive.
killu4what
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CountBlack
Member
And that's what makes people angry lol. The game is a bunch of unga unga unga with like maybe 1-3 characters trying to play a solid ground game/neutral. Less variance in gameplay styles at least.
TheSpoiler
Member
Du didn't say he hated the game but was sucking it up for money. He said all the complaining did nothing so he stopped and then got better.
https://twitter.com/LiquidNuckleDu/status/819985019972227073
Some of y'all got that revisionist history already running
https://twitter.com/LiquidNuckleDu/status/819985019972227073
Some of y'all got that revisionist history already running
CountBlack
Member
nah I spoke to him at Canada Cup, shit after he won the event and he told me he didn't like it lol
I think they all found a playstyle that worked for them to avoid getting themselves into positions of getting randomed out. Both having solid characters that can cover most MU's and being able to make better educated guesses ¯_(ツ
I think they do suffer from the possibility of getting randomed out lol, I've never seen pro players so stressed about making it through pools ever. In SF4 they could let their skill carry them over most competitive players. In V, everyone is a threat.
Du/Bonchan/Phenom were all top dogs in SF4 and they're top dogs again in V. Du didn't like the game either but kinda forced himself to stop complaining and just go with it because winning a $500K prize pool is a heavy incentive.
You have more Option Selects than SFIV.
CountBlack
Member
aight sweet argument dawg
TheSpoiler
Member
Not trying to say you are a liar.
But I haven't seen him say he didn't like the game anywhere else. And Du doesn't seem like the type to give a shit if he offends Capcom. Hell he's made fun of Capcom's decisions on balance.
CountBlack
Member
just because he stopped complaining in public doesn't mean he doesn't share his opinion in private lol
Don't worry. We just have to trust his anecdotal evidence.
I talked to him after Canada Cup and he said he told you he didn't like SFV because you wouldn't stop bugging him about how the game was trash.
TheSpoiler
Member
True, but this is literally the first time I've ever heard about him hating the game. I guess that'd be more widespread knowledge then if he was open about it in private though?
People knew Chris G didn't like things about SFV before that video (and still says he likes it more than SF4) but I've never heard the same of Du.
At the end of the day, it's kind of irrelevant. Players change their minds from casuals to pros. A ton of pros hated S2 changes when they dropped and now shit leveled off. Bonchan didn't think he could win with the current Nash IIRC and right after one of the events he was like "just play your character lol"
It seems like a civil war is starting in this thread
stop lying my dude nuckledu has never even been to canada cup
TheSpoiler
Member
It seems like a civil war is starting in this thread
Like, I don't think Count is lying. Maybe Du was fucking with him. Maybe Du was being real. But how people flipflop on this game (and literally ever SF), one singular mention ain't enough for me to believe someone hates a game to this very day. People shit talked SF4 and then months later was MAN THIS GAME IS FUN :^). Fuck even Marvel gets this treatment.
You made me venture onto Kappa after a few days of wondering.
Gootecks said he couldn't contact him and then said he was joking. Someone saw him at Eleague I guess. He's probably fine.
CountBlack
Member
man I was riding for this game harder than lonedragon in this bitch for the first few months
and then I realized the game is just kinda stupid lol
and then I realized the game is just kinda stupid lol
Daigo told me at Eleague that he's never liked Street Fighter but pretends they're not garbage for the cash. The only fighting game he truly likes is Waku Waku 7.
killu4what
Member
That's strange Bonchan told me the samething early at Red Bull Kumite. Only he said he prefers Clayfighter 2.
direct_quote
Member
Well i think for SFV at least for me, it stresses me out playing certain characters that can't just yolo like Nash. So if I'm stressing this much in casuals, can't imagine when your livelihood depends on SFV how stressful that would be...
Really? That's strange. I also met him at Canada Cup (traveled ALL the way from the UK) and he said this guy randomly told him he was "trash" and to "git gud".
Fight me.
TheSpoiler
Member
Okay guys enough jokes.
But for real most of the pro players are going to drop this trash game and run Gundam Leagues you heard this scoop here first call me, Eventhubs
But for real most of the pro players are going to drop this trash game and run Gundam Leagues you heard this scoop here first call me, Eventhubs
CountBlack
Member
its hilarious you guys find that outlandish when 3/4 of top players been saying the same thing lol but im sleep
TheSpoiler
Member
It's not that we don't believe you.
Well, at least me.
It's that top players whine constantly just like any of us and change their minds on a dime. It's literally how SF3 and SF4 went. I bet certain editions were like this as well. CVS2, Alpha, all of them got the work.
The problem is, only a very small portion of them are going to win shit in this game. If 3/4s of top players hate this game, and most of them ain't making that cash, what the fuck are they even doing committing their lives to something they consistently hate?
It's more likely that, as usual, there's bluster and shit talk but when it comes down to it they like it just enough to deal with it at the least.
Well, at least me.
It's that top players whine constantly just like any of us and change their minds on a dime. It's literally how SF3 and SF4 went. I bet certain editions were like this as well. CVS2, Alpha, all of them got the work.
The problem is, only a very small portion of them are going to win shit in this game. If 3/4s of top players hate this game, and most of them ain't making that cash, what the fuck are they even doing committing their lives to something they consistently hate?
It's more likely that, as usual, there's bluster and shit talk but when it comes down to it they like it just enough to deal with it at the least.
It was deserved after that trash comment to Neoxon lol. I need to get on some of that Gundam Action, is there any demo you can play?
This game is stressful no denying, the fact that one mistake can ruin all what you've done throughout the round, i totally agree with countblack here, but what i don't agree with is saying this game is random, or even to top players can get randomed...etc that's bullshit the players who put the effort and time into the game and work for it never get randomed by a nobody. Yes the gap between pros and casuals are lower than it was with SF4, but still when you're good you're good. As I said earlier the top SFV players who make it to top 8 consistently never get randomed or drown at pools.
It's like just stop playing the game if that's how you feel at this point. I guess I'm different from most people cause when I say I'm dropping a game for a while or for good I mean it.
If I don't like what I'm seeing after the update this weak I'm taking another long ass break.
If I don't like what I'm seeing after the update this weak I'm taking another long ass break.
TheSpoiler
Member
There's a public beta coming up, but it's open for like an hour their time so probably fucking early morning. Game is going to be deader than dead if they go the regional locking route tho.
Yeah, I don't put a lot stock into what pro players say. In addition to everything you said they aren't game designers and playing something at a high level doesn't automatically mean they know what is good or bad design. Not that their opinions should be disregarded (they know the games better than most) but their opinions aren't automatically gospel. They might observe a problem but not know how to resolve it.
Shit, Combofiend and Woshige worked on SFV and they're pro players.
TheSpoiler
Member
Combofiend is the same dude who did Deejay dirty don't know why any of you trust him
CountBlack
Member
gotta blame capcom japan for that one tbh