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[parasight]

Fighter's safety is the refs primary concern. Letting the fight continue on the off-chance a fighter pulls a miraculous comeback AFTER GOING LIMP TWICE would be ridiculous. Fighters get KO'd and woken up so many times, if you play by that rule of letting it go, fighters would suffer serious injuries.

 

[Duki]

currently banned poster dream asks whether anyone else is sad that fedor's career ended with him crying like blubbering baby about a stoppage

 

[TheNatural]

Here's a post show Bloodyelbow radio show to listen to:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/3...rce-m-1-global-fedor-henderson-results-review

 

[Buckethead]

Wow. Crazy.

 

[SapientWolf]

geez that was a short right that made him go limp to.

I think it was being dropped on his head that did it.

 

[charsace]

lol at people thinking Fedor was going to recover in that situation. He went out, got a hit that woke him back up and had a guy on top of him that is a great wrestler and is known for throwing bombs and guarding against subs. Henderson isn't Coleman guys. Henderson is great at defending subs and would have wrecked a hurt Fedor from top position.

 

[Big Baybee]

Fedor ever fought any great fighters that were in their prime? Haven't really followed his career except for the last few years.

 

[Baby Milo]

this is like benard hopkins beating mike tyson

hilarious

 

[AiTM]

Rocked for a second and limp face first into the mat are slightly different.....

By the time Herb got over to them, he was back, albeit dazed, but still defending himself. Herb could have waited 2-3 seconds.

 

[AwesomeSauce]

We were watching different fights...

Well maybe not 2 or 3 times limp, but that uppercut Maynard lands clearly made Edgar go limp.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Fedor ever fought any great fighters that were in their prime? Haven't really followed his career except for the last few years.

This question alone could spawn another thread.

 

[Unidentified]

Fedor ever fought any great fighters that were in their prime? Haven't really followed his career except for the last few years.

He's definitely fought a lot of 'great fighters relative to the Heavyweight division. He probably has the most top wins in MMA outside of GSP, Anderson, and Big Nog.

 

[Donthizz#]

Fedor ever fought any great fighters that were in their prime? Haven't really followed his career except for the last few years.

Big nog and crop cop were his biggest wins, thats about it..

 

[Ninja Scooter]

By the time Herb got over to them, he was back, albeit dazed, but still defending himself. Herb could have waited 2-3 seconds.

Herb had already stepped in. You can't play hokey pokey and put your foot in then out then back in. Refs commit to a stop based on seeing a fighter go limp face down/ass up and it's over.

 

[SerArthurDayne]

Horrible camera work by Showtime. Why didn't a single camera stick with Fedor so we could see him try to make it back up on his feet after the fight was stopped? Frank Shamrock said he looked extremely wobbly and out of it. Instead we got to see Dan Henderson celebrate in five different angles.

This. I thought the camera angles were bad all night, during fights and especially after this one. I watched all the replays and none stayed on Fedor for more than a couple seconds after the stoppage. If video showed him wobbly that would put a lot of the doubts to rest.

 

[thefro]

Fedor ever fought any great fighters that were in their prime? Haven't really followed his career except for the last few years.

Really only Cro Cop and Nog

 

[AiTM]

currently banned poster dream asks whether anyone else is sad that fedor's career ended with him crying like blubbering baby about a stoppage

Ask him if hes sad if Overeems MMA career ended with quitting from a stubbed toe

 

[charsace]

Well maybe not 2 or 3 times limp, but that uppercut Maynard lands clearly made Edgar go limp.

He was never out and immediately prepares for guard. Fedor was out, face down, ass up, hands at his sides.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Well maybe not 2 or 3 times limp, but that uppercut Maynard lands clearly made Edgar go limp.

He immediately puts his hands up to defend before his body even hits the ground. Fedor was out. Even if it was for a flash, he was out. Big difference.

 

[rkn]

Well maybe not 2 or 3 times limp, but that uppercut Maynard lands clearly made Edgar go limp.

Def wouldn't have argued with any stoppage there, though my dislike of Frankie Edgar has something to do with it.

 

[ShogunX]

The ignorance in this thread is astounding. Reminds me of people popping off when Chuck started losing. Have some respect.

It's not about ignorance but more people reacting to years and years of being told how Fedor would walk right through any fighter on the planet. Fact is he's gone from being an unstoppable Terminator into losing three consecutive fights to guys who were barely even ranked in the division.

I have a lot of respect for what Fedor has done in the past but it's not like he arrived in Strikeforce a tainted fighter. He hadn't slowed down like Nog or went gun shy like Cro Cop. He's been built up far too much and not just by his fans and this is the result.

Henderson should of been a walk in the park. Thats no disrespect to Hendo because the man is a top fighter but a few fights ago he was being schooled by a guy now fighting in the Welterweight division.

 

[AiTM]

Herb had already stepped in. You can't play hokey pokey and put your foot in then out then back in. Refs commit to a stop based on seeing a fighter go limp face down/ass up and it's over.

stepped in in the Kongo/Barry fight, even touched his back, and changed his mind

 

[dem]

For the record..

I still think Fedor would smash Overeem.

 

[charsace]

He's definitely fought a lot of 'great fighters relative to the Heavyweight division. He probably has the most top wins in MMA outside of GSP, Anderson, and Big Nog.

I doubt this. Highly doubt this. HW has always had the least amount of talent out of any weight class. This also goes for boxing too. Henderson probably has a better resume.

 

[unomas]

By the time Herb got over to them, he was back, albeit dazed, but still defending himself. Herb could have waited 2-3 seconds.

Defending? Hendo would have been in full mount had Herb not come over dropping hammers all over Fedor's face. As someone else stated, Hendo's next shot probably woke Fedor back up, but if you call that defense.......well yeah he was about to eat some vicious shots from Dan that would have ended it anyway. Doesn't matter, 3 losses in a row against qualified fighters who aren't even considered best of the best. I would like to see Fedor in one more fight, but it's clear that he's having a hell of a time beating fighters with no apparent glaring weaknesses.

 

[Lord Error]

Watching that gif a few times now, I don't even get what has happened there. It looks like Hendo pulled off some voodoo magic off switch for Fedor, as I only see Fedor landing some punches onto him, and then he just goes limp. Did Henderson KO'd him from below, with left hand? It looks like he barely touched him though.

 

[parasight]

stepped in in the Kongo/Barry fight, even touched his back, and changed his mind

That was Big Dan, and we all know he's crap.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Watching that gif a few times now, I don't even get what has happened there. It looks like Hendo pulled of some voodoo magic off switch for Fedor, as I only see Fedor landing some punches onto him, and then he just goes limp. Did Henderson KO'd him from below, with left hand? It looks like he barely touched him though.

Immediately after the escape, when he got the back, he hit him with the mighty "H-bomb" right hand from underneath his body, and it landed right on the chin.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

For the record..

I still think Fedor would smash Overeem.

Sooo....what the Hell happened to Overeem? Does he have any specific injury that made him withdraw or was it just a general "I need more time to recover" ?

 

[AwesomeSauce]

He was never out and immediately prepares for guard. Fedor was out, face down, ass up, hands at his sides.

Yeah i know that, but IMO he still looked like he recovered as soon he was pulling guard. Fedor did not look dazed anymore as he was trying to pull Hendo down. I mean if Fedor was trying to get Herb Dean into his guard then i would agree with a justified stoppage.

 

[charsace]

It's not about ignorance but more people reacting to years and years of being told how Fedor would walk right through any fighter on the planet. Fact is he's gone from being an unstoppable Terminator into losing three consecutive fights to guys who were barely even ranked in the division.

I have a lot of respect for what Fedor has done in the past but it's not like he arrived in Strikeforce a tainted fighter. He hadn't slowed down like Nog or went gun shy like Cro Cop. He's been built up far too much and not just by his fans and this is the result.

Henderson should of been a walk in the park. Thats no disrespect to Hendo because the man is a top fighter but a few fights ago he was being schooled by a guy now fighting in the Welterweight division.

Shields is just one of the many top tier opponents that Hendo has fought throughout his career. The last few years Fedor has been beating done or green guys.

 

[alr1ght]

Watching that gif a few times now, I don't even get what has happened there. It looks like Hendo pulled of some voodoo magic off switch for Fedor, as I only see Fedor landing some punches onto him, and then he just goes limp. Did Henderson KO'd him from below, with left hand? It looks like he barely touched him though.

right handed Hendo-bomb right on his chin

Sooo....what the Hell happened to Overeem? Does he have any specific injury that made him withdraw or was it just a general "I need more time to recover" ?

broken ribs
toe injury
no time to prep

 

[Baby Milo]

For the record..

I still think Fedor would smash Overeem.

 

[TheNatural]

right handed Hendo-bomb right on his chin



broken ribs
toe injury
no time to prep

And then he took a kickboxing fights just a few weeks after.

 

[Duki]

Ask him if hes sad if Overeems MMA career ended with quitting from a stubbed toe

dream says he is not not sad because he doesn't even like Overeem. He just likes birthdays. and that he always considered overeem to be the modern version of fedor because he just crushes cans in japan and avoids real competition

 

[agrajag]

Sooo....what the Hell happened to Overeem? Does he have any specific injury that made him withdraw or was it just a general "I need more time to recover" ?

fractured ribs. From what I understood in the documentary, he injured them in training and fought with damaged ribs in the Werdum fight, but I don't know.

And then he took a kickboxing fights just a few weeks after.

He would've taken the mma fight in October as well.

 

[Unidentified]

Really only Cro Cop and Nog

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/fighters-most-top-10-wins-1619751/

Though even without looking at it from a strict rankings point of view, what other Heavyweights in that era did he need to fight (outside of Barnett)?

I think some people focus a bit too much on known names now and don't look at heavyweights that were winning in the past to gauge top wins. You could even say GSP didn't fight many great fighters going by the current record of a lot of them.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

He also needs more time to cycle off his PEDs.

 

[AwesomeSauce]

He immediately puts his hands up to defend before his body even hits the ground. Fedor was out. Even if it was for a flash, he was out. Big difference.

Yeah but he was on his hands and knees and when he got buckled he went face first which made it look a lot worst then when Edgar got pelted.

I'm trying to justify that Herb called this one a little bit too early.

 

[alr1ght]

And then he took a kickboxing fights just a few weeks after.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/07/...lains-why-he-was-removed-from-strikeforce-gp/
It has been reported that you have one fight left on your contract, is that true and how are negotiations going for an extension?
I don't like to talk about my contract negotiations, but the rumors about me pulling out of the tournament because of that are false. Everybody is trying to find reasons why I was pulled out of the tournament, but I can tell you this: it's not that difficult. Strikeforce promised me a date in the fall (October/November), I acted on it and chose to go on holiday and start my training in August. Zuffa/Showtime then decided to do it in September and then the ball was in my court, and I had to decline because I know it's too short of time to be prepared 100 percent Instead of postponing the event they decided that the show must go on and use one of the alternates. It's their choice, and I respect that but that don't change the fact that nobody benefits from this situation; the fans, the promotion, the event and myself are the ones that are missing out on a great tournament and a great fight. The only one that benefits out of this whole situation is Daniel Cormier, so I wish him best of luck, and I hope eventually to fight the winner of the tournament for the belt.

 

[thefro]

Yeah i know that, but IMO he still looked like he recovered as soon he was pulling guard. Fedor did not look dazed anymore as he was trying to pull Hendo down. I mean if Fedor was trying to get Herb Dean into his guard then i would agree with a justified stoppage.

Fedor's eyes were rolling into the back of his head when he was trying to sit up after Herb Dean stopped it. If he was doing anything it was on pure instinct at that point.

 

[Lord Error]

Immediately after the escape, when he got the back, he hit him with the mighty "H-bomb" right hand from underneath his body, and it landed right on the chin.

Can that be seen in the gif or did it happen before the gif starts? Maybe I'm not seeing it because the ref is there obscuring his right hand action, but I just don't see his right hand doing anything in that gif up to the point he grabs Fedor's leg to turn him over.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Yeah but he was on his hands and knees and when he got buckled he went face first which made it look a lot worst then when Edgar got pelted.

I'm trying to justify that Herb called this one a little bit too early.

I'm trying to explain that a fighter getting caught, and falling but immediately, as he hits the ground, shows he still has his marbles enough to put his hands up and start to get up vs. getting rocked, your back to the fighter, and going completely limp. The ref sees this they are almost always going to stop it. You start letting fights like that go and you are going to get guys injured. The Congo fight is a HUGE exception, but it shouldn't be the rule.

 

[TheNatural]

It's a Shamrock-Ortiz II finish. Just something to bitch about, an out for the Fedor apologists basically. He wasn't defending intelligently when he turned around even if he was conscious.

 

[Duki]

fedor really did seem wobbly as fuck i dont know

the interpretation of the next punch waking him up seems most accurate

dude looked like he was out of it before that

 

[alr1ght]

Can that be seen in the gif or did it happen before the gifs start? Maybe I'm not seeing it before the ref is there obscuring his right hand action, but I just don't see his right hand doing anything in that gif up to the point he grabs Fedor's leg to turn him over.

Hendo takes his back, first punch knocks him out.

 

[TheNatural]

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/07/...lains-why-he-was-removed-from-strikeforce-gp/
It has been reported that you have one fight left on your contract, is that true and how are negotiations going for an extension?
I don't like to talk about my contract negotiations, but the rumors about me pulling out of the tournament because of that are false. Everybody is trying to find reasons why I was pulled out of the tournament, but I can tell you this: it's not that difficult. Strikeforce promised me a date in the fall (October/November), I acted on it and chose to go on holiday and start my training in August. Zuffa/Showtime then decided to do it in September and then the ball was in my court, and I had to decline because I know it's too short of time to be prepared 100 percent Instead of postponing the event they decided that the show must go on and use one of the alternates. It's their choice, and I respect that but that don't change the fact that nobody benefits from this situation; the fans, the promotion, the event and myself are the ones that are missing out on a great tournament and a great fight. The only one that benefits out of this whole situation is Daniel Cormier, so I wish him best of luck, and I hope eventually to fight the winner of the tournament for the belt.

Not saying he pulled out of the fight because of the contract, I'm saying he did it for a bitch ass reason about preparation when he did basically jack shit in a boring ass horrible fight with Werdum. I just find it funny he's bitching about only having a month plus to train when he did jack shit against Werdum. Hell even whiny ass Tito took a fight on short notice. I have no sympathy for fighters who complain about have 5-6 weeks of preparation, like it's necessary to have more to fight. Hell Kennedy won tonight on 4-5 weeks preparation.

 

[AwesomeSauce]

I'm trying to explain that a fighter getting caught, and falling but immediately, as he hits the ground, shows he still has his marbles enough to put his hands up and start to get up vs. getting rocked, your back to the fighter, and going completely limp. The ref sees this they are almost always going to stop it. You start letting fights like that go and you are going to get guys injured. The Congo fight is a HUGE exception, but it shouldn't be the rule.

Yeah I agree with what you're saying.

It's just everybody loves a comeback amirite?

 

[rkn]

It's a Shamrock-Ortiz II finish. Just something to bitch about, an out for the Fedor apologists basically. He wasn't defending intelligently when he turned around even if he was conscious.

This, I think even if it's called an 'early stoppage', does this change the inevitable outcome of a few more Hbombs to the face?

 

[alr1ght]

Not saying he pulled out of the fight because of the contract, I'm saying he did it for a bitch ass reason about preparation when he did basically jack shit in a boring ass horrible fight with Werdum. I just find it funny he's bitching about only having a month plus to train when he did jack shit against Werdum. Hell even whiny ass Tito took a fight on short notice. I have no sympathy for fighters who complain about have 5-6 weeks of preparation, like it's necessary to fight.

Tito has zero to lose in his fight. Reem has a lot to lose. I would have liked to see him fight, but I see where he's coming from.