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Strikeforce MMA: Fedor vs Hendo 7/30 |OT| The Last Emperor's Last Stand?

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Just got back from the arena.

The place went FUCKING CRAZY throughout the entire Fedor vs Hendo fight and when it was over, some drunk Russian guy behind me kept yelling shit like "FUCKEH TEH CUHNT OFF HENDERSAN!!!"

Awesome night.

Also, I met Sarah Kaufmann and she smelled like roses.

I'll post pictures tomorrow.
 
systematic said:
Horrible camera work by Showtime. Why didn't a single camera stick with Fedor so we could see him try to make it back up on his feet after the fight was stopped? Frank Shamrock said he looked extremely wobbly and out of it. Instead we got to see Dan Henderson celebrate in five different angles.
This.

Especially when Miesha sunk in that arm triangle.
 
SerArthurDayne said:
Didn't he punch him in the back of the head twice? Is that not against the rules in Strikeforce? I thought he was going to separate them because of that, looked liked Fedor was still trying to defend himself, but there wasn't a great view, so he could have been out.
With Griggs vs. V. Overeem and now this you would think it was allowed. But oh yeah there was that one time Daley had an opportunity to finish T-Wood and the only accessible area of his head was the back of it.

Fuck T-Wood and fuck Tim Kennedy. They both go in the cage with the objective of stopping a fight from happening.

And parrot: HDNet only does the prelims for the grand prix events.
 

Heel

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yacobod said:
the difference is overeem has built up his current reputation crushing cans, when fighting top competition he usually ended up on the wrong side of a tko.

I'm not arguing whether or not Overeem is the best fighter in MMA, I'm arguing whether or not he's ducking competition. I think he loses to Velasquez, but I don't think he's afraid to fight Velasquez. The man thinks he can beat the Klitschko brothers. He's out of his mind. With all that said, he's earned the right to be touted as a top 10 fighter based on the merits of his wins in MMA and kickboxing.
 
parrotbeak said:
How were the prelims? Did Bas and Schiavello do commentary?

Prelims were mostly shitty. One good fight and one quick, big knockout.

Bas wasn't there, it was Mauro and Frank. Frank Shamrock is fucking HIDEOUS up close.

I was scared for my life.
 
Fedor got rocked worse by Fujita.

Wish Rosenthal or Miragliotta were reffing that fight. Fedor was scrambling and had his wits about him, he just got rocked for a fleeting moment and then got hit in the back of the head twice.
 

yacobod

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other potential fallout from tonight's card:

fedor isn't going to be resigned by strikeforce, so he's going to fade into obscurity if he continues to fight in shit orgs like pro-elite or in japan.

dan henderson is also likely done with strikeforce and back to the ufc.

polyh3dron said:
Fedor got rocked worse by Fujita.

Wish Rosenthal or Miragliotta were reffing that fight. Fedor was scrambling and had his wits about him, he just got rocked for a fleeting moment and then got hit in the back of the head twice.

i concur, and i was there in the arena, he was up on his feet after the fight right away, whoever tweeted that fedor was out on his feet or wobbly after the fight is greatly exaggerating. this was fedor, he's never been tko or kod in his career, you let him die with his boots on. he's not a punch drunk chuck, wand, or crocop (yet), so i don't get why you stop it so early. fight was shaping up to be very exciting, i wouldnt have minded another round at least.

great fights or finishes like edgar/maynard 2 or kongo/barry would never happen with herb running into the rescue.
 

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yacobod said:
i concur, and i was there in the arena, he was up on his feet after the fight right away, whoever tweeted that fedor was out on his feet or wobbly after the fight is greatly exaggerating. this was fedor, he's never been tko or kod in his career, you let him die with his boots on. he's not a punch drunk chuck, wand, or crocop (yet), so i don't get why you stop it so early. fight was shaping up to be very exciting, i wouldnt have minded another round at least.

great fights or finishes like edgar/maynard 2 or kongo/barry would never happen with herb running into the rescue.
There you have it, from someone who was there in the arena and saw it live.
 

Balehead

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sien916 said:
I'm not arguing whether or not Overeem is the best fighter in MMA, I'm arguing whether or not he's ducking competition. I think he loses to Velasquez, but I don't think he's afraid to fight Velasquez. The man thinks he can beat the Klitschko brothers. He's out of his mind. With all that said, he's earned the right to be touted as a top 10 fighter based on the merits of his wins in MMA and kickboxing.

Not arguing about his abilities either, but it seemed like Alistair (or his management, who knows about these things) was just playing games with these "Klitschko fights" and shit. Hard to see any of those happening, so it's easy to talk. Maybe he was just making threats about fighting somewhere else to leverage his position.
 
In the Helwani interview, Fedor's parting words to his loyal fan base basically amounted to: "Be excellent to each other, and party on dudes!"
 

DKehoe

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I can understand the stoppage, initially looked early, but I'd have liked to have seen Fedor given a bit more of a chance to recover. Good showing for Hendo, he did really well to recover from being dropped by Fedor. With his Greco base and invincible chin he is one of the guys at 205 that I most want to see against Jon Jones.
 

Rur0ni

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Thoughts: Initially "wtf?".. then "hmm, can't really complain about that one too much". Hendo's dominant position seemed like it would be too much as well (even if Herb let it go a for more seconds) since he was nailing him. Lesson? Don't get punched in the face and go limp followed by face plant.
 

Salih

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he was not completely out. Herb Dean could have waited a couple more secs but it wouldn't matter.
 

rvy

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Time to stop, imo. Turned off my PC as soon as I saw him go from a dominant position to being hit by that bomb from below. I don't know if he was nervous or whatever the hell it was, but it didn't look like Fedor at all.
 

smurfx

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rvy said:
Time to stop, imo. Turned off my PC as soon as I saw him go from a dominant position to being hit by that bomb from below. I don't know if he was nervous or whatever the hell it was, but it didn't look like Fedor at all.
he has become an old fighter. it happens to all fighters at some point. all the damage they take in their career will at some point catch up to them. the days of fedor being dominant are over.
 

MrHicks

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we need atheist soviet fedor back instead of mellowed out orthodox "its gods will"

those hardcore rasputin priests are a bad influence/distraction
 

Higgy

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Henderson's thoughts on the stoppage.

"I felt great about the stoppage. I felt that, had the ref not jumped in, I would have definitely not been moving off top of him and probably knocked him unconscious even more. I thought I was going to fight a three-round war with him. Obviously I would have liked to caught him like I did but I felt that he's going to be hard to knock out, he's a veteran that if he gets hurt, he's going to be able to recover like he did in the first flurry of the fight."

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/7/31/2...enderson-would-have-knocked-fedor-unconscious
 

rvy

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smurfx said:
he has become an old fighter. it happens to all fighters at some point. all the damage they take in their career will at some point catch up to them. the days of fedor being dominant are over.
The thing is that Fedor never really took a lot of damage except for the Big Nog and Mirko fights, I still think his chin is in good condition, but he seemed way too unfocused during the fight. A lot of random punching. Looked like a mix of pressure and fear.
Too eager to take Hendo out as soon as possible and he used to be very calm and calculating.

He'll always be number 1 in my eyes, but his North American run has been terrible. He hasn't fought anyone worth mentioning. And then loses to Werdum and Big Foot, what the fuck.
This man destroyed the Pride HW division. If he's really worried about his record, he should just quit. Right now he's becoming a joke to most NA MMA fans who had no prior knowledge of him other than people saying he was the greatest.

If it's a match against The Reem in DREAM, I'd go for it, but that's about it.
 

smurfx

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rvy said:
The thing is that Fedor never really took a lot of damage except for the Big Nog and Mirko fights, I still think his chin is in good condition, but he seemed way too unfocused during the fight.
its not always about the damage he takes in his fights. the real damage comes from training. that is why wanderlei silva looks like he is in his 40's. the chute boxe guys beat the hell out of each other in training.
 

rvy

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smurfx said:
its not always about the damage he takes in his fights. the real damage comes from training. that is why wanderlei silva looks like he is in his 40's. the chute boxe guys beat the hell out of each other in training.
Yeah. you're right. Totally forgot about that part.
 

charsace

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rvy said:
Time to stop, imo. Turned off my PC as soon as I saw him go from a dominant position to being hit by that bomb from below. I don't know if he was nervous or whatever the hell it was, but it didn't look like Fedor at all.
I don't understand why people are saying this. His hands don't look any slower than at any time in his career. Two of the guys he lost to are more well rounded than anyone he's fought previously and the other is an elite grappler that he tried to roll around with. Fedor's losses are because he's sloppy. He goes wild way too early. And it has cost him.
 

rvy

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charsace said:
I don't understand why people are saying this. His hands don't look any slower than at any time in his career. Two of the guys he lost to are more well rounded than anyone he's fought previously and the other is an elite grappler that he tried to roll around with. Fedor's losses are because he's sloppy. He goes wild way too early. And it has cost him.
When did I say his hands are slower? They aren't. He's just way too eager and nervous. He has no accuracy in his punches like he used to. His first Big Nog fight where he won the title is a perfect example of the accuracy he had.
 

yacobod

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i disagree. his physical skills have diminished. ya he's still relatively young but the accrued mileage of 36 professional fights have taken their toll on him. he's not as big, strong, fast as he was in PrideFC. Go watch the old fights with Herring or Nog 1, he was much more solidly built, and not the soft fat ass he is now.

he's enjoying the fruits of his labor, and no longer has the eye of the tiger. i doubt his heart is really into fighting anymore, he's probably just continuing on at this point to support M-1 by guilt trip and/or mob threats to his family.

he should just retire. i don't want to see him go the way of Wand, Chuck, or Crocop. Every fight ppl are going to say like with Chuck, "oh he's got that look in his eye", or "it's the best shape we've seen him in 5 or 6 years", etc etc.
 

rvy

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yacobod said:
he's enjoying the fruits of his labor, and no longer has the eye of the tiger. i doubt his heart is really into fighting anymore, he's probably just continuing on at this point to support M-1 by guilt trip and/or mob threats to his family.
Pretty much.
 
Good stoppage by Dean. At first I thought "WTF?!! WHY DID HE STOP IT?!!" and was pissed but when they showed the replay you can clearly see Fedor go limp. Great job by Hendo. Glad my buddy didn't call me back before the fight to go through with our bets or I woulda lost some dinero. :b
 
yacobod said:
other potential fallout from tonight's card:

fedor isn't going to be resigned by strikeforce, so he's going to fade into obscurity if he continues to fight in shit orgs like pro-elite or in japan.

dan henderson is also likely done with strikeforce and back to the ufc.

I bet Henderson gets a title shot right away. The question is, would it be at 205 or 185? If Anderson beats Okami and keeps the title, I would love to see a rematch, but a rematch against Rampage or a fight with JJ would be very interesting as well.

i concur, and i was there in the arena, he was up on his feet after the fight right away, whoever tweeted that fedor was out on his feet or wobbly after the fight is greatly exaggerating. this was fedor, he's never been tko or kod in his career, you let him die with his boots on. he's not a punch drunk chuck, wand, or crocop (yet), so i don't get why you stop it so early. fight was shaping up to be very exciting, i wouldnt have minded another round at least.

great fights or finishes like edgar/maynard 2 or kongo/barry would never happen with herb running into the rescue.

I agree with that, the fight was stopped prematurely.
 
sien916 said:
He fought Nog three times.

No he didn't. And he never gave him a rematch by choice. He fought him to win the belt, then was forced to fight him again because it was the Grand Prix Tourney. Second "fight" you are counting as a fight was a NC and doesn't count. After Nog took him to a decision, no more fights against Nog. It's been six years now.

sien916 said:
Why did Cro Cop deserve a rematch exactly? He lost to Mark Hunt shortly after his loss to Fedor.

Gee. I don't know. Maybe because that Hunt fight was a BS split decision. Or maybe, just maybe because he went on a blistering five win streak and fucking won the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix, which was supposed to be the premier MMA event in the history of the world at the time? But yeah...why would Fedor want to give him a rematch? Much better to fight Hunt after he got subbed by Barnett in the quarters. An easily-subbed Hunt was sooooo much more deserving of a shot at the "great" Fedor than a prime time Cro-Cop at the peak of his MMA career. Instead, Cro-cop had to step to the UFC because he was told he wasn't getting a rematch.

sien916 said:
Barnett lost to Nog and Cro Cop. I would've liked to have seen it though (not in Affliction, where someone felt the need to use steroids to win).

At least he was a legit MMA fighter. Unlike a lot of these pigs on Fedor's supposedly illustrious post-summer 2005 win record.

sien916 said:
Werdum was losing to Kharitonov and Nog in this era. He beat Fedor's brother then went to the UFC.

He was a legit Top 10 MMA fighter at several times when Fedor was choosing to fight tomato cans. If Kharitonov was beating him, than there's another guy Fedor could have fought instead of a tiny Matt Lindland and Hong Man Choi...

sien916 said:
I think Couture was just using the potential Fedor fight as a bargaining chip to get a UFC contract. Similar to when Tito Ortiz was front row at a Strikeforce event. Hell I remember Fedor having staredown photos with Couture.

Well, that's not what I heard Couture say directly to my face while standing 10 feet away from me. He said he was willing to get all the money together himself with investors and they would have kept the lion's share. But every time it got semi-close to happening, there was one other thing from Fedor's management team. I believed him.

sien916 said:
When was Mir not under contract? All I remember is he had a motorcycle injury and was stripped of the belt.

After the Vera KO in 2006. He went to Fedor's people and tried to get a fight and they said no. They didn't think much of former UFC HW champs. Lawl.

sien916 said:
Gonzaga wasn't on the radar until he beat Cro Cop in the UFC. We're drifting past his prime now, in my opinion anyway.

He appeared on most lists as a Top 10 fighter after he beat the fuck outta Fabiano Scherner in mid-2006. He never really dropped off until he lost to Shane Carwin.
 

yacobod

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i don't really think your argument is very strong when you lead it off saying that fedor was ducking fucking nog, LOL. when fedor whipped that ass 3 times? really dude your hate is pathetic.
 

agrajag

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agrajag said:
Fedor's problem is that he thinks people are hurt when they really aren't and tries to go in for the kill and opens himself up for all kinds of shit. He did this with Werdum and now with Hendo. If he showed a little restraint, this fight could've turned out very differently. He lost his killer instinct, I believe.

This gif proves my point:

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Hendo tricked Fedor just like Werdum did, he wasn't hurt at all and Fedor didn't land shit on him. Hendo played possum and stupid Fedor saw red and went for the kill throwing caution to the wind.
 

DKehoe

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agrajag said:
This gif proves my point:

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Hendo tricked Fedor just like Werdum did, he wasn't hurt at all and Fedor didn't land shit on him. Hendo played possum and stupid Fedor saw red and went for the kill throwing caution to the wind.
I really don't think thats the case. Werdum thrives off his back so him luring Fedor there makes sense. Why would Hendo choose to let Fedor get ontop of him? He mostly fights stand up and when he is on the ground he works best from ontop. Off his back is probably his weakest position. Yeh, he did manage to finish Fedor there but if that was really he plan then its an incredible risk.
 

Higgy

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Can Fedor just go away now. When you lose to a 40 year old 185 to 205 lb guy and your suppose to be the Jordan of MMA will you please hang it up. Enough of this guy already.
 

agrajag

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DKehoe said:
I really don't think thats the case. Werdum thrives off his back so him luring Fedor there makes sense. Why would Hendo choose to let Fedor get ontop of him? He mostly fights stand up and when he is on the ground he works best from ontop. Off his back is probably his weakest position. Yeh, he did manage to finish Fedor there but if that was really he plan then its an incredible risk.

Maybe he saw the Werdum fight and planned accordingly? Sloppy Fedor is sloppy.


Higgy said:
Can Fedor just go away now. When you lose to a 40 year old 185 to 205 lb guy and your suppose to be the Jordan of MMA will you please hang it up. Enough of this guy already.

The thing is, HE never claimed to be the Jordan of MMA or anything ridiculous like that, and has always been humble and denied aspirations of being the GOAT. You can even see that such things make him uncomfortable when he hears them. Why can't he be a fucking fighter and be held to the same standards as anyone else? Enough of YOU, for fuck's sake.
 

Higgy

Member
Hahaha. Just saying. When Bisping lasts longer against Henderson then Fedor does I mean that's just laughable. The excuse festival for this guy is amazing.
 

unomas

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This thread has dragged on way too long, too many nuthuggers that can't let go of yet another loss. He'll fight again, stop being so butthurt over this and move on. People get so blinded by their love of a fighter that they have a hard time seeing things in a rational way.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
Jon Jones would murder Fedor.

Murder.

Reasons like this is are the main issues I can't stand JJ. His nut hugging fans on Sherdog have to be the most annoying delusional fan base. Really hope Page knocks his head off so I don't have to hear anymore JJ nonsense. No offense to you though.
 

Heel

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Pristine_Condition said:
No he didn't. And he never gave him a rematch by choice. He fought him to win the belt, then was forced to fight him again because it was the Grand Prix Tourney. Second "fight" you are counting as a fight was a NC and doesn't count. After Nog took him to a decision, no more fights against Nog. It's been six years now.

How often do you see a rematch after you've beaten someone soundly twice? C'mon man.

Gee. I don't know. Maybe because that Hunt fight was a BS split decision. Or maybe, just maybe because he went on a blistering five win streak and fucking won the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix, which was supposed to be the premier MMA event in the history of the world at the time? But yeah...why would Fedor want to give him a rematch? Much better to fight Hunt after he got subbed by Barnett in the quarters. An easily-subbed Hunt was sooooo much more deserving of a shot at the "great" Fedor than a prime time Cro-Cop at the peak of his MMA career. Instead, Cro-cop had to step to the UFC because he was told he wasn't getting a rematch.

I'll refresh your memory. From Cro Cop's wiki: After his victory at the Open-Weight Grand Prix, a rematch between Filipović and Fedor Emelianenko failed to materialize and on December 12, 2006 Filipović pulled out of the New Year's Eve event, citing both a foot injury and Emelianenko's commitment to meet Mark Hunt at the card in question. Through his official website, Filipović revealed "I still can't kick like I want to. It's the best that we give more time to this injury to heal. I want to be in perfect shape for my next fights."

He lost to Fedor in 2005, every fight he had in 2006 was in the Grand Prix, then he left to the UFC. You can't magically make fights schedule. He already beat him...but he's ducking?

At least he was a legit MMA fighter. Unlike a lot of these pigs on Fedor's supposedly illustrious post-summer 2005 win record.

He was scheduled to fight him. What do you want?

He was a legit Top 10 MMA fighter at several times when Fedor was choosing to fight tomato cans. If Kharitonov was beating him, than there's another guy Fedor could have fought instead of a tiny Matt Lindland and Hong Man Choi...

You seem convinced Werdum was a huge looming threat on the Pride scene. It's really not the case. The night Fedor fought Cro Cop, Werdum was in his second Pride fight and known as Cro Cop's training partner. He hadn't even risen up the hierarchy of the division...he was fighting people making their Pride debuts. He entered the Open Weight GP and lost in the quarters. How is he on the radar back then? Do you really think Werdum was hanging with Fedor in this era?

Sergei couldn't even beat Fedor's brother.

Well, that's not what I heard Couture say directly to my face while standing 10 feet away from me. He said he was willing to get all the money together himself with investors and they would have kept the lion's share. But every time it got semi-close to happening, there was one other thing from Fedor's management team. I believed him.

Couture had a non-compete clause and was in the midst of a legal battle with the UFC, which he lost. He was never cleared to fight outside of the UFC before returning to them. You have the UFC to blame, not Fedor's management.

After the Vera KO in 2006. He went to Fedor's people and tried to get a fight and they said no. They didn't think much of former UFC HW champs. Lawl.

I don't remember this at all. You have a link?

He appeared on most lists as a Top 10 fighter after he beat the fuck outta Fabiano Scherner in mid-2006. He never really dropped off until he lost to Shane Carwin.

Okay, we can pretend Gonzaga was ranked top 10 after beating...Fabiano Schrerner. All of these fights are in the UFC. When was he supposed to be fighting Gonzaga?
 

AstroLad

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Reasons like this is are the main issues I can't stand JJ. His nut hugging fans on Sherdog have to be the most annoying delusional fan base. Really hope Page knocks his head off so I don't have to hear anymore JJ nonsense. No offense to you though.
hmmm only huggers i remember were the deluded shogun fans who didn't foresee him getting his ass beat like a child
 
Host Samurai said:
Reasons like this is are the main issues I can't stand JJ. His nut hugging fans on Sherdog have to be the most annoying delusional fan base. Really hope Page knocks his head off so I don't have to hear anymore JJ nonsense. No offense to you though.


Every fighter's got annoying nuthugger fans (see Fedor) that's not exclusive to JJ. In fact leading up to the Bones/Shogun fight it was Shogun's nuthugger fans who were most vocal and annoying.
 

op_ivy

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finally caught this tonight after avoiding spoilers...


hahahahahahahaha

fedor exposed. completely. just like crocop. reem next?
 
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