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Strikeforce MMA: Fedor vs Hendo 7/30 |OT| The Last Emperor's Last Stand?

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redhot_

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alr1ghtstart said:
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geez that was a short right that made him go limp to.
 
This was only the second fight I've ever even seen from Fedor(and my second strikeforce fight period), so I hold no sort of allegiance to the guy...but that was unfortunate. Not saying he would have recovered from it enough to continue, but I think he should have been given more than that amount of time to do something.
 

AiTM

Banned
Herb Dean one of the best in the biz...

...But had he reffed Diaz/ Daley, Daley would be the champ...and had he reffed Lesner/Carwin, Carwin would have been champ.

When its the top level, experienced guys who have been around the sport for a while, give them time to recover even if they go out a second.
 

charsace

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Baby Milo said:
Dan Henderson just pulled off some historic shit tonight

got dragged up two divisions and knocked fedor out
Most of the Elite LHW's that can wrestle could do the same thing to Fedor.
 

Formless

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Fedor should've just held Dan down. He didn't really use many straight punches either.

I think Fedor's career is over, no way he's going to get any respect by Zuffa now...
 

unomas

Banned
Van Owen said:
I would have liked to see Dean let the fight take place a few more minutes. Fedor was rocked by the shot, but I don't think you can conclusively say he was knocked out. He didn't go stiff and popped up quickly once the fight was stopped.

Look at the post above you, Fedor went completely limp from the shot and face planted into the canvas.
 

agrajag

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Fedor's problem is that he thinks people are hurt when they really aren't and tries to go in for the kill and opens himself up for all kinds of shit. He did this with Werdum and now with Hendo. If he showed a little restraint, this fight could've turned out very differently. He lost his killer instinct, I believe.
 

DD-11

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dem said:
And who did he fight?
Nog and Crocop

THATS IT

Careful, I got banned for saying arguing this point a couple years ago.

I think it was stopped a little early, but Fedor didn't look like he was going to win this fight. He hasn't looked all that great since Pride folded actually. His stand up is far too sloppy--especially against a good wrestler.
 

smurfx

get some go again
well the good news for fedor fans is that since m-1 is likely to say that the fight was stopped prematurely as well you will see fedor fight one more time and get knocked out again. awesome news.
 
Rewound and rewatched. I think he definitely was out by the way his legs and head just dropped, but he recovered very fast. I think it is a good stop by fighter safety standards. I don't think many other refs would have stopped it so quickly. Fedor recovered enough to start turning into a guard, and I think most refs would have seen if he could defend himself before calling it.
 

TheNatural

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Anyone got the post show presser?

Take your bets, all the men who lost tonight on the show are getting cut or not fighting again in Strikeforce I am guessing.

Fedor probably goes on to some lame M-1 Global fight in Russia with Overeem or something.
 

bwahhhhh

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dunno what to make of that, seemed early, Fedor got a hard shot, it may have been over, but there's enough doubt. I have a lot of respect for Fedor's opinion, he admits when he fucks up, so I think it was early.
 

Plywood

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Well all I need is for Anderson Silva to get KO'ed while doing his Matrix shit and for someone to outclass GSP's bullshit.

Fedor lost, that's that even though I still feel it was early.
 

parasight

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Van Owen said:
I would have liked to see Dean let the fight take place a few more seconds. Fedor was rocked by the shot, but I don't think you can conclusively say he was knocked out. He didn't go stiff and popped up quickly once the fight was stopped.

Didn't go stiff? Look at the GIF, he clearly went limp and had Dan not woke him up it would've been a clear cut KO. Obviously in the adrenaline of it all he threw extra shots to put him away, which were obviously not meant to hit the back of the head but in the heat of the moment that's where they landed. Called Hendo winning this to all my friends and family but they wouldn't believe me. Fedor had a great career, but it's time to hang em up.

SMH @ Fedor fans using Herb Dean as a scapegoat.
 
smurfx said:
well the good news for fedor fans is that since m-1 is likely to say that the fight was stopped prematurely as well you will see fedor fight one more time and get knocked out again. awesome news.

This was Fedor's last Strikeforce fight, so he's going to have to go somewhere else. No way in hell are they getting any special negotiations done with Dana given Fedor's fall.
 
The only thing that would have happened if Dean let the fight go on was Fedor would have eaten a couple more H-Bombs. His face was open and unguarded as the fight is being stopped. Hendo was rearing to unload. People who think it was early need to get their eyes checked (or get over Fedor).
 

bwahhhhh

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SerArthurDayne said:
Rewound and rewatched. I think he definitely was out by the way his legs and head just dropped, but he recovered very fast. I think it is a good stop by fighter safety standards. I don't think many other refs would have stopped it so quickly. Fedor recovered enough to start turning into a guard, and I think most refs would have seen if he could defend himself before calling it.

this.
 

AwesomeSauce

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unomas said:
Look at the post above you, Fedor went completely limp from the shot and face planted into the canvas.

And then look at him recover quickly. He does not look fazed anymore as he was trying to pull guard.

Like people already said, they should give these guys a little bit more time to recover before stopping. If anything Hendo would've stopped all doubters if Fedor was still fazed when he rolled into guard, Hendo probably would land a couple H bombs and put Fedor out for good.

Just look at Edgar/Maynard, Lesnar/Carwin, Kongo/Berry etc.
 

unomas

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Fedor went limp, and even if he had recovered Henderson was on top of him as Dean stepped in ready to deliver death blows from above. It wouldn't have been pretty in that position with Hendo dropping hammers on his face.
 

charsace

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Pristine_Condition said:
Jon Jones would murder Fedor.

Murder.
This fight should put to rest all the talk of him having hands that are lightening quick. They look quick against natural heavyweights. Against a LHW his hand speed is nothing special.

He would have never beat Mirko if Mirko had a ground game.
 

bone_and_sinew

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smurfx said:
well the good news for fedor fans is that since m-1 is likely to say that the fight was stopped prematurely as well you will see fedor fight one more time and get knocked out again. awesome news.
None of the cans he'll be fighting in M-1's own shows, DREAM, and ProElite will knock him out.
 

dem

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tass0 said:
You're a fool.

Its the truth.

He mostly fought people who were brought in to lose.


I love watching him fight... he has a killer instinct... but it is what it is.
 

rkn

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AwesomeSauce said:
And then look at him recover quickly. He does not look fazed anymore as he was trying to pull guard.

Like people already said, they should give these guys a little bit more time to recover before stopping. If anything Hendo would've stopped all doubters if Fedor was still fazed when he rolled into guard, Hendo probably would land a couple H bombs and put Fedor out for good.

Just look at Edgar/Maynard, Lesnar/Carwin, Congo/Berry etc.
None of those guys actually went limp though, ok maybe Kongo...
 

ShogunX

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nilbog21 said:
Guy is really religious. problem?

Yes. How exactly does he determine if god wants him to carry on fighting? It's not up to God if Fedor continues to fight its up to Fedor himself and whether he can come back from losing to a guy who was wrestle fucked by Jake Shields.

What pisses me off more than anything about Fedor is how he has ignored his opponents weapons in he past few fights. You keep jumping into BJJ fighters guards and sooner or later your going to get submitted - On the same note has he never watched Dan Henderson fight before? When has it ever been a good game plan to trade wild swings with Henderson? The man hits like a truck and has an iron chin.

Only goes to show just how good Anderson Silva really is.
 

AiTM

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When Fedor rolled over and pulled guard...Herb should have gave him 2-3 seconds. You want me to name the list of fights someone gets rocked or even out for a second and recover, and even come back and win the fight.
 
AwesomeSauce said:
And then look at him recover quickly. He does not look fazed anymore as he was trying to pull guard.

Like people already said, they should give these guys a little bit more time to recover before stopping. If anything Hendo would've stopped all doubters if Fedor was still fazed when he rolled into guard, Hendo probably would land a couple H bombs and put Fedor out for good.

Just look at Edgar/Maynard, Lesnar/Carwin, Congo/Berry etc.


at no point in the Edgar/Maynard or Lesnar/Carwin fights did the fighter go completely limp like Fedor did. Dean stepped in IMMEDIATELY when he saw that as a good ref should. Yeah, there's a slim chance that certain fighters might recover (something like the Congo fight is one in a million), but if the fighter doesn't you just let him eat some extra shots to the dome (from a fighter like Hendo that's no joke). Once Dean started stepping in it was over. And people keep saying "he rolled into guard" as if Fedor was doing anything other than putting his face in clear view of Hendo's fist.
 

alr1ght

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AwesomeSauce said:
Like people already said, they should give these guys a little bit more time to recover before stopping. If anything Hendo would've stopped all doubters if Fedor was still fazed when he rolled into guard, Hendo probably would land a couple H bombs and put Fedor out for good.

Just look at Edgar/Maynard, Lesnar/Carwin, Congo/Berry etc.

Just look at Leben/Stann.
 

TheNatural

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LOL Dana trolling hard tonight.

danawhite Dana White
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@JP_516 you never dealt with those idiots
3 minutes ago


Dana White
danawhite Dana White
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@Steve_631 get off those nuts it's over bro
8 minutes ago
 

unomas

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AiTM said:
When Fedor rolled over and pulled guard...Herb should have gave him 2-3 seconds. You want me to name the list of fights someone gets rocked or even out for a second and recover, and even come back and win the fight.

Rocked for a second and limp face first into the mat are slightly different.....
 
AwesomeSauce said:
And then look at him recover quickly. He does not look fazed anymore as he was trying to pull guard.

Like people already said, they should give these guys a little bit more time to recover before stopping. If anything Hendo would've stopped all doubters if Fedor was still fazed when he rolled into guard, Hendo probably would land a couple H bombs and put Fedor out for good.

Just look at Edgar/Maynard, Lesnar/Carwin, Congo/Berry etc.
Agree a bit, but there are so many variables. If Hendo could knock him limp from behind, I imagine he would've butchered him while on top when Fedor is, at minimum, dazed.
 

Heel

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The ignorance in this thread is astounding. Reminds me of people popping off when Chuck started losing. Have some respect.
 

Panzon

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def an early stoppage but w/e. never been huge on fedor but seen enough of his fights to know he could have recovered from that and continued. im not saying he would have won but it was a premature stoppage. props to hendo though dude always brings it and has possibly THE best chin in all of MMA with Rampage right in the rear mirror
 

systematic

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Horrible camera work by Showtime. Why didn't a single camera stick with Fedor so we could see him try to make it back up on his feet after the fight was stopped? Frank Shamrock said he looked extremely wobbly and out of it. Instead we got to see Dan Henderson celebrate in five different angles.
 
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