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[Baby Milo]

Not saying he pulled out of the fight because of the contract, I'm saying he did it for a bitch ass reason about preparation when he did basically jack shit in a boring ass horrible fight with Werdum. I just find it funny he's bitching about only having a month plus to train when he did jack shit against Werdum. Hell even whiny ass Tito took a fight on short notice. I have no sympathy for fighters who complain about have 5-6 weeks of preparation, like it's necessary to have more to fight. Hell Kennedy won tonight on 4-5 weeks preparation.

i think you might be the first person i have ever seen make this argument

 

[TheNatural]

Tito has zero to lose in his fight. Reem has a lot to lose. I would have liked to see him fight, but I see where he's coming from.

So basically he's protecting his image with paper tiger wins, by going somewhere else. Got it. Nothing he did in the Werdum fight showed me he was a big time fighter anyway, he better pad that record.

 

[NervousXtian]

Terrible stoppage, Fedor was hurt, but he was recovering.. and Henderson landed illegal blows to the back of the head.. when Dean came in at first I thought it was to stop those illegal shots, not to stop it.

Disappointing end of a disappointing card.

 

[J2 Cool]

My first reaction was early stoppage, but the angle on that gif shows it pretty clearly. Fedor's attempt at a guard wasn't even aggressive/crisp at all. He was out of it. I would have liked to see Hendo back off Fedor after the first shot, as he looked out cold, but Fedor was outmatched tonight again. That's 3 in a row and it doesn't look like he has anywhere to go anymore. Seems a long time ago, that UFC was willing to dish out the cash for Fedor and fans were anticipating him destroying UFC's HW division.

Also, Showforce has terrible cards/presentation. Not only was the camera angles on the Fedor fight terrible, but who thought it was a good idea to hype the fans before the main event with a women's championship?

 

[Lord Error]

Hendo takes his back, first punch knocks him out.

Ah, I get it now. I thought he KOed Fedor even before he took his back, as it seemed like Fedor just slowed down to a crawl there. Looks like the punches that actually KOed him were all in the back of his head though, or maybe the first one wasn't quite.

 

[alr1ght]

So basically he's protecting his image with paper tiger wins, by going somewhere else. Got it. Nothing he did in the Werdum fight showed me he was a big time fighter anyway, he better pad that record.

He's protecting his pocketbook. Plus he has a toe issue, and broken ribs. They promised him a fight in October, he prepped for a fight then, and then they moved it up a month. It's not that difficult to see his position.

 

[Heel]

It's not about ignorance but more people reacting to years and years of being told how Fedor would walk right through any fighter on the planet. Fact is he's gone from being an unstoppable Terminator into losing three consecutive fights to guys who were barely even ranked in the division.

I have a lot of respect for what Fedor has done in the past but it's not like he arrived in Strikeforce a tainted fighter. He hadn't slowed down like Nog or went gun shy like Cro Cop. He's been built up far too much and not just by his fans and this is the result.

Henderson should of been a walk in the park. Thats no disrespect to Hendo because the man is a top fighter but a few fights ago he was being schooled by a guy now fighting in the Welterweight division.

Fedor isn't in his prime. Rarely do people leave on top. You can't use his decline to discredit his history.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

It's not about ignorance but more people reacting to years and years of being told how Fedor would walk right through any fighter on the planet. Fact is he's gone from being an unstoppable Terminator into losing three consecutive fights to guys who were barely even ranked in the division.

I have a lot of respect for what Fedor has done in the past but it's not like he arrived in Strikeforce a tainted fighter. He hadn't slowed down like Nog or went gun shy like Cro Cop.

Look at his fight record after the Cro-Cop fight in 2005. Yes, he got wins. But who was he fighting?

Fights against guys like Zuluhinho, a drugged up Coleman with no gas tank, a non-MMA fighter in Mark Hunt with ZERO ground game, (far less than he even has now, which is a fucking joke) a Matt Lindland who was around Hendo's size, Hong-Man Choi, who was a bigger freak show than Zuluhinho, a Tim Sylvia and Andre Arlovski who had both been bounced from the UFC as soon as the UFC started to get a reasonable HW division, and finally, Brett Rogers, who was legit flipping tires at Wal-Mart.

Did any of those guys deserve a title shot against supposedly the greatest fighter of all time?

Hell no.

Talk about respect for Fedor all you want, but what about Fedor's respect for the sport? What about his respect for the fans?

If he had any respect for the fans and sport, he wouldn't have shaped the last six years of his career this way, fighting these unworthy opponents.

He's been built up far too much and not just by his fans and this is the result.

Nah. It has been mostly his fans the last few years. Them and the UFC haters in the media like Sherdog. It's mostly the fans' fault that they didn't demand more from Fedor. Instead they just kept paying to watch him fight tomato cans. And they've been defending him for years against anybody who dared question his lack of top-tier opponents. And when he started losing, they still couldn't accept the fact that they had been sucked in by a not even particularly well-crafted scam for the last half decade.

 

[parrotbeak]

currently banned poster dream asks whether anyone else is sad that fedor's career ended with him crying like blubbering baby about a stoppage

How did dream get banned?

 

[Baby Milo]

Fun fact: Henderson is the only man in MMA history to archive a knockout win in 4 different weight classes.

Crazy

 

[iamvin22]

Lmao Herb Dean is top ten trending topic on twitter.

 

[alr1ght]

 

[TheNatural]

He's protecting his pocketbook. Plus he has a toe issue, and broken ribs.

How is he protecting his pocket book? If the guy wins the tourney, he's basically got a shot at the UFC title most likely. If he loses, he's still probably got a UFC contract. And to blame injuries when he takes a fight in October and complaining about only being able to train for a fight in August for a fight September 10th is a little ridiculous. Was a few more worthless weeks of training really worth losing possible big paydays with UFC? It's not like Overeem versus Silva is a chess matchup of great preparation. He goes and signs a fight all of a few weeks later, the injuries must have not been that serious.

 

[Heel]

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/fighters-most-top-10-wins-1619751/

Though even without looking at it from a strict rankings point of view, what other Heavyweights in that era did he need to fight (outside of Barnett)?

I think some people focus a bit too much on known names now and don't look at heavyweights that were winning in the past to gauge top wins. You could even say GSP didn't fight many great fighters going by the current record of a lot of them.

Finally, someone with some sense. Newsflash for the newbies: Big Nog was THE #1 RANKED HEAVYWEIGHT IN THE WORLD in 2003, UFC or otherwise, when he lost to Fedor. That is 8 years ago. Name a heavyweight who could beat Fedor in his era. Tim Sylvia? Let me know who he was ducking. Know your history.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Not saying he pulled out of the fight because of the contract, I'm saying he did it for a bitch ass reason about preparation when he did basically jack shit in a boring ass horrible fight with Werdum. I just find it funny he's bitching about only having a month plus to train when he did jack shit against Werdum. Hell even whiny ass Tito took a fight on short notice. I have no sympathy for fighters who complain about have 5-6 weeks of preparation, like it's necessary to have more to fight. Hell Kennedy won tonight on 4-5 weeks preparation.

I felt the exact same way but at the end of his latest vid after the doctor tells him his rib is messed up and he shouldn't fight for a very long time, Reem basically says he's now out indefinitely. He wanted extra preparation time since he was knicked up and he's been validated. I found it very...I don't know what word to use but when he says "in this business you're only as good as your last night" it was a little saddeing because unfortunately it's true.

 

[TheNatural]

I felt the exact same way but at the end of his latest vid after the doctor tells him his rib is messed up and he shouldn't fight for a very long time, Reem basically says he's now out indefinitely. He wanted extra preparation time since he was knicked up and he's been validated. I found it very...I don't know what word to use but when he says "in this business you're only as good as your last night" it was a little saddeing because unfortunately it's true.

Why is he on a fight poster for October then? If he's hurt and can't fight, don't go take a fight the next fucking month. That's why he got cut, not because he was injured, because he's crying wolf about injury and then pops up in a fight all of a month later.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Why is he on a fight poster for October then? If he's hurt and can't fight, don't go take a fight the next fucking month. That's why he got cut, not because he was injured, because he's crying wolf about injury and then pops up in a fight all of a month later.

The visit to the doctor was yesterday... he never knew his bruised rib was actually a broken rib. He was willing to fight with it until the doctor told him he shouldn't. He's not crying wolf at all if he's got a broken rib.

 

[Heel]

Fedor has no legacy..


Came to the states.. fought in real shows... got beat up.

Maybe the dumbest thing I've read in the thread. Know your history.

 

[TheNatural]

The visit to the doctor was yesterday... he never knew his bruised rib was actually a broken rib. He was willing to fight with it until the doctor told him he shouldn't. He's not crying wolf at all if he's got a broken rib.

Well if he fights in October, I'll know how much bullshit it is.

 

[agrajag]

You guys are shitty for hating on Fedor and Reem.

 

[alr1ght]

How is he protecting his pocket book? If the guy wins the tourney, he's basically got a shot at the UFC title most likely. If he loses, he's still probably got a UFC contract. And to blame injuries when he takes a fight in October and complaining about only being able to train for a fight in August for a fight September 10th is a little ridiculous. Was a few more worthless weeks of training really worth losing possible big paydays with UFC? It's not like Overeem versus Silva is a chess matchup of great preparation. He goes and signs a fight all of a few weeks later, the injuries must have not been that serious.

He loses, he loses a ton of negotiating power and aura (see Fedor). I can explain it to you all I want, but he has said if he was told immediately after the Wedum fight to prepare for a September fight, he would have had proper time for a camp. He intended to fight in October/November, so he took a vacation, they then sprung the fight on him a month earlier.

see for yourself: (7:45) http://vimeo.com/27075559

whether you accept his explanation, that's up to you.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Well if he fights in October, I'll know how much bullshit it is.

Fair enough. I know how you feel believe me, I'm a huge Reem fan so it's been a rollercoaster ride haha. There definitely was some degree mismanagement on his end but I think he was ultimately cut in a Zuffa power play to dismantle Strikeforce, cut down his leverage, and he'll end up in the UFC eventually.

 

[TheNatural]

He loses, he loses a ton of negotiating power and aura (see Fedor). I can explain it to you all I want, but he has said if he was told immediately after the Wedum fight to prepare for a September fight, he would have had proper time for a camp. He intended to fight in October/November, so he took a vacation, they then sprung the fight on him a month earlier.

see for yourself: (7:45) http://vimeo.com/27075559

whether you accept his explanation, that's up to you.

Nope, I don't accept explanations if a fighter refuses to fight when he has a good month plus to prepare, especially someone like Overeem. I'm tired of pampered fighters thinking that 4-6 weeks isn't enough when other fighters have no problem whatsoever taking those types of fights - like Kennedy tonight. I even give Tito props on what he's doing and the guy is a total douche.

 

[Heel]

Hendo could have done this in pride. Shogun too.

...wow, yeah, especially considering Hendo got armbarred by Big Nog and Fedor pounded his head in for several fights. Enjoy your revisionist history.

 

[Baby Milo]

Nope, I don't accept explanations if a fighter refuses to fight when he has a good month plus to prepare, especially someone like Overeem. I'm tired of pampered fighters thinking that 4-6 weeks isn't enough when other fighters have no problem whatsoever taking those types of fights - like Kennedy tonight. I even give Tito props on what he's doing and the guy is a total douche.

sorry dude but 4-6 weeks especially coming off injury isn't enough. that is a short training camp.

A fighter in Reem's position should never agree to that

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

MMAjunkieDerek Derek Bolender
For those who didn't see it on the broadcast, Fedor stood up after it was called and was so wobbly he almost fell over.

 

[RBelong2Us]

Let's stop talking about if it was called early and start talking about how Dan Handerson is the f'ing man. Get back in UFC and knockout Silva.

 

[TheNatural]

sorry dude but 4-6 weeks especially coming off injury isn't enough

A fighter in Reem's position should never agree to that

Guess you must not have been around for the days when guys would fight 3 times one night in PRIDE or UFC. But hey, if he wants to be a bitch, then be my guest, some guys like Jon Jones beat Bader and then took a title fight a month later and killed Shogun and seized the opportunity. And Daniel Cormier, how much notice has he had versus Big Foot? Some guys need to get over it and stop bitching and fight, Overeem is no better than anyone else, and the way he fought against Werdum was an embarrassment.

 

[dem]

Was he the best in the world at some point? Sure.

Spoiler

In the weakest division in the sport.

Has he been in the last 5 years? Not that he has shown. He willingly let the game pass him by.

 

[AwesomeSauce]

MMAjunkieDerek Derek Bolender
For those who didn't see it on the broadcast, Fedor stood up after it was called and was so wobbly he almost fell over.

Of course he wouldn't be able to stand after taking that bomb of an uppercut.

The thing is that he was trying to pull guard to regain his equilibrium and gather his thoughts.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Let's stop talking about if it was called early and start talking about how Dan Handerson is the f'ing man. Get back in UFC and knockout Jones.

Fixed.

 

[Heel]

Guess you must not have been around for the days when guys would fight 3 times one night in PRIDE or UFC. But hey, if he wants to be a bitch, then be my guest, some guys like Jon Jones beat Bader and then took a title fight a month later and killed Shogun and seized the opportunity. And Daniel Cormier, how much notice has he had versus Big Foot? Some guys need to get over it and stop bitching and fight, Overeem is no better than anyone else, and the way he fought against Werdum was an embarrassment.

That Zuffa Kool-Aid must be delicious. Overeem has every right to be fully healed and prepared to take on questionably the biggest fight in his career, and the last one on his contract.

The way he fought was an embarrassment? LOL. Which fighter was flopping, butt-scooting, monkey rolling, and begging for the other to enter their guard? That's an embarrassment.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Finally, someone with some sense. Newsflash for the newbies: Big Nog was THE #1 RANKED HEAVYWEIGHT IN THE WORLD in 2003, UFC or otherwise, when he lost to Fedor. That is 8 years ago. Name a heavyweight who could beat Fedor in his era. Tim Sylvia? Let me know who he was ducking. Know your history.

What do you consider his era?

If you consider his era over in mid-2005, I'd agree with that.

But still, over the last five or six years, he could have given Nog a much-deserved rematch SOMETIME. But of course he refused to give rematches. Ditto for Cro-Cop.

But why give rematches to guys like Nog, when you have fantastic up-and-comers like Hong Man Choi out there who need their well-deserved title shot? :rolleyes Face it, he ROBBED Nog and Cro-Cop of making the most out of the best years of their careers with his "no rematches" bullshit.

He should have fought Barnett, but clearly ducked him. If those fights had taken place, (Barnett, and the Nog and Cro-Cop rematches) that would have been money. He should have fought Randy when Randy was out of the UFC and trying to make that happen. Werdum entered the Top 10 in what, 2006-2007, and never got a crack until 2010? He should have fought Mir when Mir wasn't under contract. Hell, a Gonzaga fight would have been less disgraceful than some of that mess of a list of opponents that he's got.

And of course, he could have entered the UFC with absolutely the largest contract they've ever offered a fighter tucked in his pocket, and he could have had the biggest marquee HW MMA fight in history against Lesnar, but he effectively ducked that by making silly demands the UFC told him they would absolutely not meet well in advance.

 

[TheNatural]

That Zuffa Kool-Aid must be delicious. Overeem has every right to be fully healed and prepared to take on questionably the biggest fight in his career, and the last one on his contract.

The way he fought was an embarrassment? LOL. Which fighter was flopping, butt-scooting, monkey rolling, and begging for the other to enter their guard? That's an embarrassment.

WTF does Zuffa have to do with it? Lots of guys take fights on 5 weeks notice, did you not notice one did tonight - and WON? Hell, I watch guys on Friday Night Fights who take fights on 5 DAYS notice. What is it with this notion that fighters suddenly lose all of their training, experience, and physical ability after they have a fight? People have been trained to think that guys can only fight twice a year, and any more, oh my its too demanding!

Overeem looked winded by round two, his striking was pathetic on the guy who was even running and shit, and he did nothing to try to do any major damage. If he can't take a fight on 5 weeks notice, but can take one the very next month, I have no respect for him. He obviously wanted the weaker opponent in something that is more of his specialty (kickboxing.) He wanted no part of what Fedor went thru with Big Foot.

 

[Heel]

WTF does Zuffa have to do with it? Lots of guys take fights on 5 weeks notice, did you not notice one did tonight - and WON? Hell, I watch guys on Friday Night Fights who take fights on 5 DAYS notice. What is it with this notion that fighters suddenly lose all of their training, experience, and physical ability after they have a fight? People have been trained to think that guys can only fight twice a year, and any more, oh my its too demanding!

Overeem looked winded by round two, his striking was pathetic on the guy who was even running and shit, and he did nothing to try to do any major damage. If he can't take a fight on 5 weeks notice, but can take one the very next month, I have no respect for him. He obviously wanted the weaker opponent in something that is more of his specialty (kickboxing.) He wanted no part of what Fedor went thru with Big Foot.

You have no idea what it's like to fight injured. Name some fighters who are fighting on 5 weeks notice with injuries and I'll show you a losing fighter. They're fighting again because they are healthy.

He beat Werdum who beat Bigfoot, why didn't he duck him? He's already lost to Werdum before, mind you.

 

[TheNatural]

You have no idea what it's like to fight injured. Name some fighters who are fighting on 5 weeks notice with injuries and I'll show you a losing fighter. They're fighting again because they are healthy.

He beat Werdum who beat Bigfoot, why didn't he duck him? He's already lost to Werdum before, mind you.

OK so if he's injured then he shouldn't be on the October kickboxing card. If he is, he's full of shit about the injuries. You don't take a fight the very next month after saying you can't fight the previous month if you have some serious injuries. The end.

 

[AranhaHunter]

It was definitely an early stoppage, but Fedor was losing the round and looking like he was going to lose the fight anyway. Hendo almost knocked him out in the first 15 seconds.

 

[yacobod]

just got home from the sears center.
lackluster card overall besides the main event. woman's mma needs to die, so fucking bad. crowd didn't really come alive until the last fight. got pictures with matt hughes.

props to hendo. i think herb should have let them fight. i'm in favor of definitive finishes, and i like a longer leash, you get exciting finishes as a result like kongo/barry.

very sad tho about fedor. 3 losses in a row, starting to make me rethink the entire PrideFC era.

 

[Heel]

What do you consider his era?

If you consider his era over in mid-2005, I'd agree with that.

But still, over the last five or six years, he could have given Nog a much-deserved rematch SOMETIME. But of course he refused to give rematches. Ditto for Cro-Cop.

But why give rematches to guys like Nog, when you have fantastic up-and-comers like Hong Man Choi out there who need their well-deserved title shot? :rolleyes Face it, he ROBBED Nog and Cro-Cop of making the most out of the best years of their careers with his "no rematches" bullshit.

He should have fought Barnett, but clearly ducked him. If those fights had taken place, (Barnett, and the Nog and Cro-Cop rematches) that would have been money. He should have fought Randy when Randy was out of the UFC and trying to make that happen. Werdum entered the Top 10 in what, 2006-2007, and never got a crack until 2010? He should have fought Mir when Mir wasn't under contract. Hell, a Gonzaga fight would have been less disgraceful than some of that mess of a list of opponents that he's got.

And of course, he could have entered the UFC with absolutely the largest contract they've ever offered a fighter tucked in his pocket, and he could have had the biggest marquee HW MMA fight in history against Lesnar, but he effectively ducked that by making silly demands the UFC told him they would absolutely not meet well in advance.

He fought Nog three times.

Why did Cro Cop deserve a rematch exactly? He lost to Mark Hunt shortly after his loss to Fedor.

Barnett lost to Nog and Cro Cop. I would've liked to have seen it though (not in Affliction, where someone felt the need to use steroids to win).

Werdum was losing to Kharitonov and Nog in this era. He beat Fedor's brother then went to the UFC.

I think Couture was just using the potential Fedor fight as a bargaining chip to get a UFC contract. Similar to when Tito Ortiz was front row at a Strikeforce event. Hell I remember Fedor having staredown photos with Couture.

When was Mir not under contract? All I remember is he had a motorcycle injury and was stripped of the belt.

Gonzaga wasn't on the radar until he beat Cro Cop in the UFC. We're drifting past his prime now, in my opinion anyway.

 

[yacobod]

honestly why even feed the trolls, these are guys who think overeem is a top heavyweight.

 

[Heel]

OK so if he's injured then he shouldn't be on the October kickboxing card. If he is, he's full of shit about the injuries. You don't take a fight the very next month after saying you can't fight the previous month if you have some serious injuries. The end.

It's July...the potential fight is in October. His story has been he's fighting in October all along. It could've been against Bigfoot if Zuffa moved the date, but apparently they can't (or won't, to strong-arm). Also, there's a difference between fighting a top 10 MMA fighter and kickboxing a can for your own gym's fight card.

 

[yacobod]

It's July...the potential fight is in October. His story has been he's fighting in October all along. It could've been against Bigfoot if Zuffa moved the date, but apparently they can't (or won't, to strong-arm). Also, there's a difference between fighting a top 10 MMA fighter and kickboxing a can for your own gym's fight card.

the difference is overeem has built up his current reputation crushing cans, when fighting top competition he usually ended up on the wrong side of a tko.

 

[BigJonsson]

Any links to the Hendo fight? I wasn't able to watch it live

 

[Cipherr]

Didn't he punch him in the back of the head twice? Is that not against the rules in Strikeforce? I thought he was going to separate them because of that, looked liked Fedor was still trying to defend himself, but there wasn't a great view, so he could have been out.

Fedor was out when those punches were going to the back of the head lol. Damn tho.

 

[yacobod]

positives coming out of the event

-hendo should be back in the ufc, TRT WARWAGON
-woman's mma on legit promotions should be dead by 2012
-paul daley won't be in the ufc

so it wasn't a total loss

 

[TheNatural]

It's July...the potential fight is in October. His story has been he's fighting in October all along. It could've been against Bigfoot if Zuffa moved the date, but apparently they can't (or won't, to strong-arm). Also, there's a difference between fighting a top 10 MMA fighter and kickboxing a can for your own gym's fight card.

Yes and the event he would have fought Big Foot in is in September. One month difference. And you just proved my point - he's afraid to take on a legit challenger, he wants to fight a tomato can in kickboxing, its not the injury.

 

[BigJonsson]

Found a link on Youtube but it was in Russian

HENDO FTW

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Any links to the Hendo fight? I wasn't able to watch it live

I'm not sure if we're allowed to link. It's up on youtube, "fedor vs hendo". Watch it now before it gets taken down.

edit: "fedor vs hendo" is in English.

 

[Heel]

Yes and the event he would have fought Big Foot in is in September. One month difference. And you just proved my point - he's afraid to take on a legit challenger, he wants to fight a tomato can in kickboxing, its not the injury.

Werdum was ranked higher than Bigfoot (and has already beaten him). Was he scared then? Your argument is he's afraid to fight Bigfoot because he beat Fedor. Guess what? So did Werdum!

Who do you think Overeem was going to fight on the last fight of his contract, a can? He didn't ask to be cut. Also, asking for ample time to prepare for a marquee fight isn't an outrageous request. UFC champions are taking more than 3 months off between fights if you haven't noticed.

 

[polyh3dron]

Just saw the end of the Fedor/Hendo fight.. Dammit Herb, that stoppage was a tad too quick and it seemed like some of those shots were to the back of the head.