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Study: Women Let Handsome Men Off Easier
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RedAssedApe
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lol this no doubt happens on Tinder all the time.
But something can be controversial in one community, but not in another.
For instance: That other thread would obviously be controversial. It invited it. It was an opinion piece, essentially, so that was a community of differently minded people.
Since this is an actual study, and it's "scientific," it's more likely the naysayers won't show up here to defend their point, so what we have here is an echo-chamber community of like-minded people who will say this is obvious, which it is to all of us.
That may be true. At the very least, it's good to have this study in case I ever find myself surrounded by the people in that other thread, so I can provide evidence for my position.
Finaika
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Yup, men are shallow too.
Everyone knows at least one really attractive man or woman who thinks that life owes them something because they are hot. Be it the dude who is shocked that a girl would actually object to him grabbing her ass at a club, or the girl who is outraged that a cop actually ticketed her instead of letting her off with a warning.
Oh, certainly. I'm not saying this study wasn't necessary, but it is something that is obvious to me as it is to you.
It's great to have official empirical evidence.
entremet
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Anyone with a brain and experience with women could've told you that. I think it has to do with women being socially conditioned to be "nice", so creep sounds less bad.
Well, the word attractive already explains most of it: if you find someone attractive, it means you are, well, attracted to them. You might even have some brief lewd thoughts about them when you first see them. So when that person acts in a way that could be interpreted as a sexual advance, they are "responding" to an "invitation" that only exists in the back of your mind and trick you into not viewing as gravely as you would were them unattractive.
tearsintherain
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In other breaking news, scientific studies have shown that ice cream tastes good, people like good television shows over bad shows, and playing with a puppy makes you happy.
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Beautiful people have it easier? Well shit.
HarryKS
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What do you mean by creeped out?
It's much clearer than your phrasing, but you're mostly correct.
If you find someone attractive, there's a good chance you want to have sex with him/her.
If you want to have sex with someone, you generally need to be nice.
Letting someone "off easier" is a part of being nice.
I think this is a totally reasonable objection and would add that in general sociological and psychological studies are very difficult to design in ways that control for all variables.
I certainly don't think the study is conclusive; it's just a "well this is good starting point" sort of study, as most studies are.
Also, even if this study were conclusive, please note that saying this is true generally does not mean it's true for you specifically. Saying that most men react more positively to attractive women does not mean that I do, specifically, either.
clockworkinyou
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Sorry for being hot af
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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No shit, this isn't new.
Thank you Fiction.
Air Zombie Meat
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Considering I've seen so many people argue about it, yes.
triplestation
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this has been a very informative study
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Andrew Korenchkin
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Well yeah we're talking about give points and impulse factors. Just like being attractive in itself doesn't mean people will respond favourably to you, it just means under the exact same circumstances as someone less attractive, you have a higher success rate.
Tone of voice and body language are extremely important, arguably more important than looks in itself. If you feel absolutely certain and comfortable about what your doing you'll empower the other person to feel more comfortable with what your doing. The opposite is also true, your uncomfortable around people and unsure people will be more uncomfortable and unsure about you, (there's numerous studes on this). Of course you'll reach a wall, as all manners of social factors and deductive reasoning kicks in, but you can get pretty far based on correctly reading a persons impulse factors
The science of selling is yourself is essentially based on this. It's why people say confidence is more important than good looks, good looks in itself feeds confidence but you'll be much more likely to get away with damn near anything if your confident about it.
SliceSabre
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I think its just people like to pretend and portray themselves as having higher standards and being less shallow than they are in practice.
I mean who wants to admit they let someone talk dirty to them simply because they were hot but got offended when a more homely person did the same?
One good rule to never get tickets, go out with attractive girls at parties. It never failed me. One time it was surreal, a police blockpost to check for alchool right outside the disco, something like a dozens cars in a line, everyone doing the alchool test, EXCEPT our car where an extremely attractive girl was driving.
Anyone saying people don't do this shit all the time is delusional. Whether it's intentional or not, the bias is certainly there.
Anyone saying people don't do this shit all the time is delusional. Whether it's intentional or not, the bias is certainly there.
Nastrodamous
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Only one of those is true
entremet
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Sure. But the point of the study is men approaching women, which even in today's climate, is the preferred dating dynamic for heterosexual couplings.
There are exceptions, of course, but go to any meet market. Guys approach. Women accept or reject.
Men do the majority of initiating still, which I have no problems with personally as a straight man.
I pretty strongly disagree; you're quite smart and one of my favorite posters. I'm glad you're around.
This.
freeofgreed
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There's nothing wrong with questioning scientific studies, you'll be surprised how many control factors and relationships can be ignored in research papers, we're all human it's better to question and be proven wrong, that it is to assume it's right and something blow up somewhere down the line as is the history of engineering.
So yes you are a very intelligent poster and almost always have worthwhile inputs when I read your posts.
Again, the study seems to indicate that the responses to the men were (or would have been) the same. It also deals with photos and not actual interactions, which could easily change the responses.
Rentahamster
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Sociology is hard.
The point of the study wasn't to say "hot guys can never be creepy." It was to isolate two variables (attractiveness and scenario) and see how they impacted the end result (subjective impression of creepiness).
And they learned that someone who's attractive can get away with creepier behavior than someone who isn't. That's valuable data. Yes, if you want a Universal Theory of Creepiness we'll need more, but that doesn't invalidate what they found.
Irishmantis
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Its straight men to men too.
Me and a good looking friend did an experiment, we both say the same joke but at different times like he saids it the next day it was a terrible joke too. we tried to get close to identical delivery and on the appropriate time
I said it, my Mates just looked and smiled and saids "that was awful" there was 2 friends there that time.
then the next day my friend said the exact same joke and they all laughed there was 2 more people there this time. They didn't even point out that i said that joke yesterday
that are a lot of factors to consider to why they laughed before calling this official evidence, but was a good indicator of his looks given him that bigger edge
Me and a good looking friend did an experiment, we both say the same joke but at different times like he saids it the next day it was a terrible joke too. we tried to get close to identical delivery and on the appropriate time
I said it, my Mates just looked and smiled and saids "that was awful" there was 2 friends there that time.
then the next day my friend said the exact same joke and they all laughed there was 2 more people there this time. They didn't even point out that i said that joke yesterday
that are a lot of factors to consider to why they laughed before calling this official evidence, but was a good indicator of his looks given him that bigger edge
Rentahamster
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My thoughts on this are that the examples you posited are so out of line that they might have passed any sort of "creepiness vs hotness" threshold where no amount of hotness would have saved them.
Can you think back of any mildly creepy examples (good intentioned or not), where, for example, someone might have been trying to tell you a compliment and it came out wrong, or awkward flirting, etc.? Can you imagine an awkward, ugly person saying something, and then Benedict Cumberbatch saying the same thing?
Don't sell yourself short. Most of the time your posts seem reasonable and generally well thought out.
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