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Study: Women Let Handsome Men Off Easier

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HarryKS

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Creeped out as in I've had a hot guy give off more of a 'murderer' vibe than 'lets have sex' vibe. Or had a hot guy shout something on street. It happens occasionally.

Just because someone who's hot yells 'Hey, nice tits!' doesn't mean I'm going to automatically fall into his arms, you know? Hot guys can be assholes/creepy too.

Personal experience again, but it seems to me that the more traditionally attractive men are actually more likely to be jerks, because they think they can get away with it.



Yup, understand that, which why I keep saying 'personally'. I am not smart like most of the people here, just expressing my experiences and such.


I wanted only to know what emotions it provoked. Sometimes people say creeped out and I'm not sure whether they mean fear or revulsion.

It's a strange expression.



Speaking from personal experience, being attractive in the workplace is the difference between considered flirtatious and being slapped with a sexual harassment claim.

It's easier to make women laugh. Much easier.

It also affects men. Handsome men are more popular amongst friends, at least it's easier to make friends. Life is good.
 

number47

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Yes. Attractive people are usually more groomed. I would give them more leeway.
Also the study is based on pictures.
Says nothing about confidence which is more handy for actual face to face interactions so I wont be 'creepy'.
 

turtle553

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I'm just not sure how this says they can get away with more, as most of the women still said no? As I said before, it seemed to like their perceptions changed depending on attractiveness but their behavior didn't. Was there something I'm not understanding, and if so, can you explain it to me?

Positive perception could lead to more compliance on future tasks that are less extreme. Also, a lot seemed to be focusing on how this could play out in a courtroom. In a he said/she said type of case, jurors may favor the more attractive person based on nothing but looks.
 

Ophelion

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Personally, I'll be the naysayer here that everyone wants: They were shown pictures, and answered questions based entirely on pictures. Most of them still said they'd give the pen and say no to 'modeling' no matter how attractive the man was. Their inner personal opinon changed.

I think the study is flawed because interaction, body language, vocal tone, etc all can factor in. I've been creeped out by hot guys before.

Yeah, based on how the study works I'd imagine the subjects are just imagining that the more attractive photo is more charismatic person because that's how we're trained to think. If the attractive person sufficiently lacked in tact, I think they'd be significantly more likely to be insulted or creeped out. Likewise, if the unattractive guy was sufficiently charismatic, they'd probably be less likely to be creeped out by him.

Charisma is the real defining factor as to whether anyone is unsettled by another person. People are just trained to believe that attractive people will be more charismatic. That bias helps the attractive person in the first encounter, true, but if you don't know how to capitalize on that advantage, it won't make a difference. The inner creep will shine through. The subject's perceptiveness will also be a factor. If your subject is an idiot, then appearance is going to account for a much larger difference in how they perceive others than someone more observant and thoughtful.

I don't think it's a night and day difference. One of the biggest problems traditionally unattractive people tend to have is that they have a tendency to internalize the belief that they're unattractive and that reads in their behavior. People who do this behave in self-defeating and subtlety hostile ways that causes the subject to be suspicious of their intentions. That's just doubling down on your disadvantages.

As an aside, having an opportunity to even enter into an encounter with other people is harmed significantly by having resting bitch face. I speak from experience on that front. When approached, I'm a very warm and friendly person and I have several times been told I'm a very attractive person, but people do not want to talk to me. I don't have to say or do anything overtly. First day of a new class in college, you could see a ring of seats left empty around wherever I sat on any given day. I've been told I give off a "spooky" or "haunting" vibe. Someone described it colorfully once as "An aura of 'go the fuck away'."

My point being, there's lots of factors that go into reception. Attractiveness is one, but not even close to being the whole thing.
 

jadedm17

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These studies of the obvious never get old.

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Society in general does.

Took a little bit, but better late than never. Thank you.
 

Two Words

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Personally, I'll be the naysayer here that everyone wants: They were shown pictures, and answered questions based entirely on pictures. Most of them still said they'd give the pen and say no to 'modeling' no matter how attractive the man was. Their inner personal opinon changed.

I think the study is flawed because interaction, body language, vocal tone, etc all can factor in. I've been creeped out by hot guys before.
It's not saying that attractive people cannot be creepy or that every woman lets every handsome guy off. The truth is that attractiveness plays a role in how we treat people. It's just an embedded part of humanity. I think it is important that we know we do this so that we can counteract it. If we pretend that we are totally unbias, we are blind to it. If we recognize we are more likely to be bias when it comes to attractive people, we can try and be wary of it and counter it. So the next time you interact with an ugly person and decide to not be helpful or whatever, you can stop and think "wait, am I allowing attractiveness to play a role in my decision?" It is an important question to ask yourself in many situations. It is the same way when it comes to race and gender.
 
I've encountered enough pretty women that were mega creeps to have broken myself of any preferential treatment based on looks.

I don't like being stalked or pushed or aggressively pursued once I communicate disinterest.

On the flip side (I guess) the less attractive girls I've found to be more understanding and easy to deal with. I'm not sure if that's just in my head or maybe it has to do with how they perceive themselves and their confidence level.

It's also possible that unattractive men are just as aggressive as attractive ones because we're genetically wired that way? To pursue and try to mate?
 

dankir

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So one of my favorite stories is when me and two buddies went drinking in downtown Montreal.

My friend is very good looking, can get any woman he wants and he has girls throwing themselves at him all the time. He's married now so he doesn't care about that shit.

Anyway it was crowded on Crescent street and he's using his hands to explain a story and somehow he swings both his arms back and ends up elbowing a girl in the face.She turns around and is "What the fuck!! You mother..... Hi!" I was like oh shit she's with like 8 other girls and they're going ot kill him or call the cops. Nope, they were all friendly and chummy and brought him inside to a pub. He ended up making out with the girl whom he elbowed, got drinks from a bunch of her friends and got her number ( don't know if he ever hit it though )

All the while me and my friend are stuck outside and nobody even noticed us.

Now if I had done that, jeesus the cops would have been there in a heartbeat.
 
Of course!

Ah the good ole "creepy" word appears lol.

Code for unattractive basically.
No, creepy is as creepy does. But good-looking creeps get away with it.

I'm just not sure how this says they can get away with more, as most of the women still said no? As I said before, it seemed to like their perceptions changed depending on attractiveness but their behavior didn't. Was there something I'm not understanding, and if so, can you explain it to me?
The good-looking guys aren't better at getting the women to do things (although anecdotally most of us would agree they are), but the good-looking guys don't come off as creeps for having asked.
 

Log4Girlz

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I would state that the clear reason this is relevant -- even though it should be obvious -- is this old, controversial observation: men who are unattractive are accused of sexual harassment in situations where attractive men would be received more warmly.

Basically, this:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sexual-harassment/2751966

Is not just funny, but also apparently has some truth to it, according to this study. You can claim this is obvious, but this topic has been quite controversial in the past, including on GAF.

I've seen people argue intensely against there being any difference in tolerance of handsome men's behavior vs. unattractive men. Always found that odd, as my personal experience has shown this to be incredibly common.
 

HarryKS

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I've seen people argue intensely against there being any difference in tolerance of handsome men's behavior vs. unattractive men. Always found that odd, as my personal experience has shown this to be incredibly common.

Very often because women don't want to admit that they're pretty much like dudes.
 

Bloodrage

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Reminds me of when Chris Brown beat Rihanna and women on Twitter and Facebook were saying shit like, "He could beat me all he wants!"

Or when Jeremy Meeks's pics got out and women were going insane saying they wouldn't mind being his prisoner.

If the guy was "unattractive", it would be creepy and completely unacceptable.
 
Reminds me of when Chris Brown beat Rihanna and women on Twitter and Facebook were saying shit like, "He could beat me all he wants!"

Or when Jeremy Meeks's pics got out and women were going insane saying they wouldn't mind being his prisoner.

If the guy was "unattractive", it would be creepy and completely unacceptable.
guys do exactly the same thing. If a hot female teacher molest a male student, you see all the 'nice!' comments popping up.
 

Fuchsdh

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Of course!

Ah the good ole "creepy" word appears lol.

Code for unattractive basically.

Basically. I've always been bothered by a lot of women using that term, because really it's pretty plainly "old and/or unattractive guy doing what I want the attractive guys to do". It's not like you hit 35 and suddenly decide to leer at people.

Personally, I'll be the naysayer here that everyone wants: They were shown pictures, and answered questions based entirely on pictures. Most of them still said they'd give the pen and say no to 'modeling' no matter how attractive the man was. Their inner personal opinon changed.

I think the study is flawed because interaction, body language, vocal tone, etc all can factor in. I've been creeped out by hot guys before.

I'd say that body language, vocal tone, and those factors you mention are all part of attractiveness as well, just aspects that weren't covered by this study. I'm sure lots of guys and gals can relate to that feeling when you meet someone very attractive, and then they open their mouth...
 

GamerJM

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It really is bullshit how much appearance matters in life. Not just in dating or whatever but in everything; career, friendships, day-to-day interactions with randoms, etc.
 

MIMIC

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"The unattractive male is tolerated up to a point; his unattractiveness is OK until he misbehaves."

LOL!
 

andthebeatgoeson

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I have less tolerance for bs the bigger they are and the uglier they are. Cute, slim girl between 20 and 30 would have a lot of leeway. I think it's a conscious or unconscious drive to assess what we can get from people. For some, it's sex and you start some math in your head about the odds of having sex or some romantic interaction.

It doesn't even have to be the physical act. A 5 minute flirtation can improve your self esteem. I'm definitely attracted to beautiful women who are attracted to me. I don't have intention but it's like a pat on the back.

I theorize that it crosses racial lines, as well. And we all see it happen. Women who have a hard exterior melt next to a hot guy. And you can take advantage of you are lucky. And we all know how guys stereotypically salivate over things that stick out.

Hell, I kicked game to a girl complaining about janitors hitting on her. That's in the same ball park. Saw my opening and asked her if I could take her out. Caught her off guard and got a couple of dates out of it. Such a guy but fuck it: YOLO.
 

jmdajr

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Genetics play a huge role and yet people waste em. Get out of shape, have terrible hygiene, etc.

If you care you can actually do ok. But sure.. it's work!
 
"The unattractive male is tolerated up to a point; his unattractiveness is OK until he misbehaves."
I don't want to get all terrisus up in here, but what happened to the word "okay"? OK is the abbreviation for Oklahoma.
 
I'm just not sure how this says they can get away with more, as most of the women still said no? As I said before, it seemed to like their perceptions changed depending on attractiveness but their behavior didn't. Was there something I'm not understanding, and if so, can you explain it to me?

Haven't read the paper, but I'm willing to bet the rate of no's changed as well, even if it was still the majority.
 

Opiate

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Very often because women don't want to admit that they're pretty much like dudes.

I think it's also in part because it makes the discussion about sexual assault / harassment more complicated. The fact that two different men can do the exact same thing and get very different responses from the same woman makes the discussion about what is sexual assault harder.

It gives ammo to sexists and makes the whole discussion more complicated. That doesn't mean sexual assault / rape / etc. don't exist -- I'm not saying that at all -- it just means the discussion requires more nuance. National dialogs are not known for handling nuanced issues well.
 

jmdajr

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I think it's also in part because it makes the discussion about sexual assault / harassment more complicated. The fact that two different men can do the exact same thing and get very different responses from the same woman makes the discussion about what is sexual assault harder.

It gives ammo to sexists and makes the whole discussion harder. That doesn't mean sexual assault / rape / etc. don't exist -- I'm not saying that at all -- it just means the discussion requires more nuance.

That doesn't help matters.... for sure.
 
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