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[Star Orpheus]

Well at least he's acknowledging NMH2 more now.

"Who the freak is this Xehanort guy and why are there so many of him?! What's a Ventus? Where's that one guy named Xemnas or Mansex or whatever the heck it was? Why is that bald old guy also the young guy but at the same time?" "Why did no one tell me that you had to play the other side stories as well?!"

It's gonna be a fun day.

"Who are these freaking cosplayers?!" "The mobile game was important?!?"

I love it.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons isn't a sequel to a previous Zelda game but it sure plays like the NES and SNES games. So what is it?

Actually it is, officially it's the same Link from A Link to the Past, And both games are set after that but before Link's Awakening, which is the canonically last game we see that Link from.

 

[NotLiquid]

In a 2008 interview, Goichi Suda said of No More Heroes 2:

we'll once again manage to do what we want to do with realizing the open world

All this tells me is that they planned to have an open world in it at some point but most likely scrapped it after it didn't work out. You're talking about mechanics here in an interview from two years before the game came out, not the story and overall setup of the game. But setting aside that very cherrypicked sentence, him saying "expect big changes to NMH2's open world" in that same sentence ended up being true.

and

The world of No More Heroes should have more parallel stories running at the same time.

Which, you know, No More Heroes 2 did. It featured bits of Shinobu's story, Henry's story, Sylvia's story, Travis' personal growth and search for revenge (which Suda himself points out in that question your sentence is cherrypicked from), it wasn't entirely Travis ripping through the ranks this time around - and the follow up question in that interview emphasizes NMH2's main focus being on one story, so I'm not sure what this quote of yours is meant to prove.

Try again.

 

[jholmes]

All this tells me is that they planned to have an open world in it at some point but most likely scrapped it after it didn't work out. You're talking about mechanics here in an interview from two years before the game came out, not the story and overall setup of the game. But setting aside that very cherrypicked sentence, him saying "expect big changes to NMH2's open world" in that same sentence ended up being true.

In the same post you are arguing that Suda knew the open world wasn't in the game and at the same time arguing that two years out he couldn't possibly know it wouldn't be included.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

We got a different interview, this time from Destructoid, that basically reiterates a few things from the OP's article but I'll quote some more relevant stuff.

https://www.destructoid.com/talking...good-shoes-wearer-himself-suda51-459577.phtml

"He specifically didn't want to call it No More Heroes 3," says Mountain. "While it's clearly in the same world, it's clearly in the same series, it's clearly connected to the previous games, he doesn't want people to think of it as a direct sequel. He feels it's more the start of a new adventure for Travis, and possibly even a new series for Travis. Again, while it is definitely the same universe, same timeline and everything, it's not really a spinoff but sort of a separate entity. That's why he purposely didn't put a number in it and put 'No More Heroes' at the end, to make sure people could make that specific distinction."

"Another reason he decided to make the title like this -- and I mean not just literally the title, but the game itself also -- is because he wanted to try something new. The previous games were Travis fighting the other assassins; you know, fighting his way up through the rankings. He wanted to do something a bit different from that this time. So, again, while it is the same character, same aesthetic, same general gameplay and everything, it certainly is a different type of game. And he wants everyone to realize right from the get-go that it is a No More Heroes game, but it's a different kind of No More Heroes game."

He feels that the Switch has a lot of possibilities as a console. There's a lot of new things it's trying out as a piece of hardware. There's a lot of things he'd be able to do by putting the game on the Switch that he wouldn't be able to do putting it on another console. So far, everyone's been really supportive for him. The console itself is fun and easy to develop for. And as far as the type of game this is and the way controls are going to work out, it's a perfect fit."[/B].

"Those shoes are good."

"Oh, thank you," responds Suda51.

 

[DigSCCP]

Uncle Death as a boss would be a dream!

 

[John Harker]

The one controller doesn't give me a little of confidence in strong, satisfying motion based combat again, but I'm open minded. I miss Robin more.

 

[John Harker]

We got a different interview, this time from Destructoid, that basically reiterates a few things from the OP's article but I'll quote some more relevant stuff.

https://www.destructoid.com/talking...good-shoes-wearer-himself-suda51-459577.phtml

"Those shoes are good."

"Oh, thank you," responds Suda51.

That last quote is personally funny to me, since he stepped on my shoe once and did NOT apologize for it haha

 

[SinCityAssassin]

The one controller doesn't give me a little of confidence in strong, satisfying motion based combat again, but I'm open minded. I miss Robin more.

It's the option that it can do it, not that it's restricted solely to one joy con.

 

[SatoAilDarko]

Uncle Death as a boss would be a dream!

It would make sense except No More Heroes I assume is still a Marvelous IP considering once again they are publishing it instead of Grasshopper's owners GungHo and Suda by his own admission had absolutely nothing to do with the PS3/360 port of the first game.

So I wonder if Gungho would allow their IP to be used.

I would be very interested to see some Flower, Sun and Rain representation though. Either with Sumio Mondo or his suitcase computer Catherine. As I believe Marvelous owns the rights to that IP as well.

The one controller doesn't give me a little of confidence in strong, satisfying motion based combat again, but I'm open minded. I miss Robin more.

Those buttons should be enough. An earlier post of mine:

A single joy-con would be perfectly fine for No More Heroes.

SL and SR are lock-on/block and reset camera/switch targets like before.

Take away the high/low Beat (physical) attack stance distinction. It's not really necessary. Make it a single face button where it used to be two.

Keep the high/low Slashes as two face buttons. You can rename to fast and strong since that's what they essentially were.

Have the remaining face button act as the rolling dodge now. Simply hold it and move the joystick to dodge like Kingdom Hearts.

For ecstasy (special) attacks that use to be activated by the minus button have it be both slashes pressed at once.

For charging the beam katana have it be beat attack and one of the slashes. Or just make it so you have to shake the control really hard to start charging.

Remember Suda originally wanted the original No More Heroes to only be controlled by the Wii Remote alone.

I also need Downes back. Especially if Travis is in Smash.

 

[BBboy20]

It would make sense except No More Heroes I assume is still a Marvelous IP considering once again they are publishing it instead of Grasshopper's owners GungHo and Suda by his own admission had absolutely nothing to do with the PS3/360 port of the first game.

So I wonder if Gungho would allow their IP to be used.

I would be very interested to see some Flower, Sun and Rain representation though. Either with Sumio Mondo or his suitcase computer Catherine. As I believe Marvelous owns the rights to that IP as well.

Isn't this game being co-published by both marv and Gung?

 

[SatoAilDarko]

Isn't this game being co-published by both marv and Gung?

The official website only has 4 logos:

Grasshopper Manufacture (Developer)
Marvelous (Publisher)
Unreal Engine (Engine)
Nintendo Switch (Console)

 

[NotLiquid]

In the same post you are arguing that Suda knew the open world wasn't in the game and at the same time arguing that two years out he couldn't possibly know it wouldn't be included.

I'm arguing that plans for gameplay mechanics and features change heavily in development even though Suda emphasized that it was going to be very different from the first game no matter what. I'm not sure what you are arguing. We're talking story here, not mechanics, and your only example that delved into story wasn't wrong.

 

[BBboy20]

The official website only has 4 logos:

Grasshopper Manufacture (Developer)
Marvelous (Publisher)
Unreal Engine (Engine)
Nintendo Switch (Console)

Interesting.