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The main reason he doesn't want to call it "3" is that he wanted to get rid of the structure from the previous games, with the UAA, Santa Destroy, Sylvia etc.
Suda51 wants to make No More Heroes 3 if Switch game successful + other info
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The main reason he doesn't want to call it "3" is that he wanted to get rid of the structure from the previous games, with the UAA, Santa Destroy, Sylvia etc.
Mr. Pointy
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Is this the Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days of the NMH franchise?
NMH games have always been low budget tho, just because its not a numbered MNH game doesnt mean its a crappy spin off.
He actually said after or during I cant remember the Jan Switch reveal that it was a new story about Travis and not a numbered game
So is Battlefield 1 a spin off of Battlefield? Is COD:MW a spin off of COD? Is AC: Origins, Unity and others Spin off of AC games? I can go on
So cool No More Heroes 2 is still cannon, which is fine by me as I liked that game.
Alas nope, though I do hope that they will do a HD remaster of 1+2 for the Switch.
Spin-off? The way I interpreted it as more of a side story, it's still part of Travis' story but it will have no baring on a potential No More Heroes 3.
It's like how Majora's Mask is a sequel to Ocarina of Time but has no baring on both Windwaker and Twilight Princess story.
Alas nope, though I do hope that they will do a HD remaster of 1+2 for the Switch.
Spin-off? The way I interpreted it as more of a side story, it's still part of Travis' story but it will have no baring on a potential No More Heroes 3.
It's like how Majora's Mask is a sequel to Ocarina of Time but has no baring on both Windwaker and Twilight Princess story.
Capcom should have done it during the 7th Anniversary but it probably wasn't even a thought to them.
SatoAilDarko
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Dr. Juvenile sounds interesting.
Wonder if there's a reason for not showing the concept art off yet other than simply keep some secrets for later.
It would be cool if Dr. Naomi knew her.
Wonder what the "Juvenile" means? I doubt age as even Shinobu was 18 in the first game and Kimmy was in college.
In terms of personality would be interesting considering how Bad Girl ties into the plot.
I wonder if the MK-II indicates any connection to Sega consoles. I know there was a Tsubaki MK-II in the first game but on a game console it calls to mind the predecessor of the Master System (MK-III), the SG-1000 II (MK-II).
Considering a successor system is called the Death Drive 128 I wonder if that is a Dreamcast reference.
Wonder if there's a reason for not showing the concept art off yet other than simply keep some secrets for later.
It would be cool if Dr. Naomi knew her.
Wonder what the "Juvenile" means? I doubt age as even Shinobu was 18 in the first game and Kimmy was in college.
In terms of personality would be interesting considering how Bad Girl ties into the plot.
I wonder if the MK-II indicates any connection to Sega consoles. I know there was a Tsubaki MK-II in the first game but on a game console it calls to mind the predecessor of the Master System (MK-III), the SG-1000 II (MK-II).
Considering a successor system is called the Death Drive 128 I wonder if that is a Dreamcast reference.
UnemployedVillain
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Do you consider the Metroid Prime games spinoffs or lesser games? It's a "series within a series"
The way he keeps talking about makes it seem like it's not that simple. Doesn't matter, though, I'm gonna pick it up anyway.
SinCityAssassin
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No.
So, it's like a midquel or interquel then? Like placing the game between NMH2 and hopefully NMH3? (Definition)
Either way, if Suda himself is saying that it's not a direct sequel, then it's still not wise to bank on the game for the future of the series.
Renegade Frost
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Chain of Memories wasnt a spinoff
UnemployedVillain
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It's NMH's Metroid Prime
FinaruDensetsu
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Hehe that wouldn't be the first time a translator was confused by Suda on stage. I always feel bad for the translator when he goes on stage haha.
SinCityAssassin
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He considers a direct sequel as one that would build off the Assassins killing Assassins theme of going up ranks like the previous two games. Because this game will have a different format of progression (though still with the same playstyle), it's not considered a direct sequel, but still a sequel. And he's willing to bet the future of NH3 on it precisely because it's going back to his original back-to-roots development philosophies. If it works, he can continue with that idea cycle into NH3.
This isn't Chibi Robo banking its future on a 2D Platformer, this is Fire Emblem banking its future on a comeback.
Renegade Frost
Banned
Its the Xenoblade X of the NMHfranchise
Most of the Kingdom Hearts games are considered spinoffs. There are more side games in that series than numbered games. Square Enix made that way too confusing.
Renegade Frost
Banned
A browser game is a spin off.
A sequel that isnt numbered that plays like the main series is not a spin off.
This is very much a " lets retain the core gameplay but change the game structure" kind of deal
which is what Monolith soft did
There's not a single spin-off in the Kingdom Hearts serie.
EDIT : well maybe that smartphone game I don't know if it's canon
Yes, a sequel that isn't numbered that plays like the main series is very much a spinoff. That's kind of the definition of it.
Also, MonolithSoft only did that because of how poorly received Xenoblade Chronicles X was.
Right right. That's why the tenth game in the series is called Kingdom Hearts 3. *rolls eyes*
Look up for the definition of a spin-off before saying anything else. With your description, Metroid Prime and the next God of War are spin offs.
Being a sequel doesn't entail to having a number in the title or not.
UnemployedVillain
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I don't think spin off means what you think it does
SatoAilDarko
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No it wasn't. Look at the critic and user reviews on metacritic.
Takahashi explained how he wanted to do a more simpler story for a game before even finishing XBX.
mugurumakensei
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Sounds like the Code Veronica or revelations of the series.
Merriam-Webster Link
Spin-off definition: something that is imitative or derivative of an earlier work, product, or establishment
Metroid Prime was a spinoff until it became its own sub-series.
The new God of War game is either a continuation or reboot of the series, kind of like what Sega tried with Sonic 2006 or Capcom with Bionic Commando.
Critic and user reviews don't really mean much unless the product sells well. Xenoblade Chronicles X did not sell well, even relative to other games on the Wii U.
EDIT: Didn't mean to double post. I thought there would be more rebuttals between the two.
SinCityAssassin
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Cory Barlog confirmed it was set after GoW 3 last year.
TheUntamedLegend
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A spinoff would be No More Heroes Tennis. This is more like No More Heroes Gaiden.
But arguing definitions of sequels and spinoffs is basically just semantics, I suspect the biggest reason why Travis Strikes Again isn't No More Heroes 3 is probably because they do not want to alienate new players with a 3rd numbered sequel.
But arguing definitions of sequels and spinoffs is basically just semantics, I suspect the biggest reason why Travis Strikes Again isn't No More Heroes 3 is probably because they do not want to alienate new players with a 3rd numbered sequel.
According to its Wikipedia page, it takes place both after God of War 3 AND is a soft reboot. I'm guessing if it does well, they'll continue to market it as a "new beginning."
mugurumakensei
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This game is a continuation of NMH. It takes place after 1 and 2. The only thing different is no assassin gauntlet. Similarly, GoW is a continuation with no greek gods. Instead, it's the Norse pantheon.
And how does that applies here ? It's not imitative or derivative. It's straight up the same serie, gameplay, main character, and everything else but in a different place and with enough changes in the structure that justified in the eyes of Suda to not number it "3", so people wouldn't go in expecting Santa Destroy and all that shit. That's it. Suda explained it a billion time already, it's a sequel, but not a direct one.
Mario Kart is a spin-off of the Mario serie, Sonic R is a spin-off of the Sonic serie, Hyrule Warriors is a spin-off of the Zelda serie, but Travis Strikes Again isn't a spin-off of the NMH serie. Is it fine now ?
SinCityAssassin
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In any case, we can infer that from Suda51 himself, this isn't considered a spin-off. Because it takes place after the events of No More Heroes 1 and 2.
But it does not directly build off the events of the second game, which to Suda, meant it would not be a direct sequel, but we can probably call it a sidequel for simplicity's sake, if only because it does not directly continue the chain of events that went through the first two games, but is still a continuation of Travis's personal adventure.
Yup. Travis is apparently now just chilling a trailer somewhere in the South. The only thing trying in the original's plot is Badman avenging a character you kill in the first game.
If you want the UAA & Santa Destroy, I do remember Suda saying he has plans for that plot, but that it's no longer "Travis' story." And he implied it'd probably be Shinobu's.
Suda? If you're reading this GAFpost on the can somewhere using your well-known account, & are contemplating a Shinobu game, all I can say is...
New Super Mario Bros. Wii isn't a sequel to New Super Mario Bros. for the Nintendo DS, that's what New Super Mario Bros. 2 is. So what is NSMBWii? A sequel? A spinoff? A new sub-series within the "New Super Mario Bros." series?
Sonic CD isn't a sequel to Sonic 1. Sonic 2 is. So what is Sonic CD?
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons isn't a sequel to a previous Zelda game but it sure plays like the NES and SNES games. So what is it?
Calling it a sidequel would be more appropriate than calling it a direct sequel, yes.
That whole sentence was just confusing. It takes place at a time directly after the events of the previous game, has "familiar brawler action gameplay" but is not a spinoff? Just sounds like he's trying to confuse everyone.
Star Orpheus
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Play 2 without Chain of Memories.
SatoAilDarko
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It sold over 200,000 copies it's first month in North America alone.
Over 5 times as much as Mario Tennis Ultra Smash and Animal Crossing Amiibo Party did in two months. It also outsold Bayonetta 2.
Don't say anything if you don't know what you're talking about.
The Force Awakens takes place thirty years after Return of the Jedi and isn't a "direct sequel" of the previous trilogy's story about Luke becoming a Jedi, however it features the old familiar characters returning to mark the start of a brand new story and adventure and explores what's happened to the characters after all those years.
Obviously a Star Wars spinoff.
We'll see. I'll be more than happy to be wrong, but I'll keep expectations in check for now.
The Hermit
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I still have no idea what this is.
And I think Suda doesn't either.
And I think Suda doesn't either.
KZXcellent
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The problem here is that most people consider a spin-off to be something unimportant to the main story. In actuality all the KH titles continue to develop the plot of the series. So whenever people just pass the recent games off as "spin-offs" it makes it seem like they don't matter. It's gonna be fun when KH3 comes out and it all comes crashing down.
AlexFlame116
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Well at least he's acknowledging NMH2 more now.
It's gonna be a fun day.
"Who the freak is this Xehanort guy and why are there so many of him?! What's a Ventus? Where's that one guy named Xemnas or Mansex or whatever the heck it was? Why is that bald old guy also the young guy but at the same time?" "Why did no one tell me that you had to play the other side stories as well?!"
It's gonna be a fun day.
In a 2008 interview, Goichi Suda said of No More Heroes 2:
and
So rather than call a spade a spade, we should accept blindly what a dev says because... why, exactly? Especially one with a hit-or-miss resume like Suda, with work of varying quality and a history of falling short of promises?
Sammy Samusu
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Of course it will succeed.