Oh ABF you make this too easy.
Could always just say nothing if you're worried about that. A little late now I guess.
All you need to do is admit you're wrong and it'll be over. Simple!
Seriously though, I like debate, it's circular arguments that get tedious. But sometimes I can't help but get in them again anyway.
Angel Beats isn't even specifically KEY though, it's PA Works and Jun Maeda. The writing is bad but, as has been stated before, the writing is only one component to the mess.
The writing is good. As always with Key works, the writing is the series' top strength. They're very good at what they do. (As for the first part, Jun Maeda is one of Key's central people, and he did AB, so I think it's safe to call it a Key work.)
With that said, your continued intellectual dishonesty in INSISTING that our misgivings of the show are invalid because we have some hate-filled irrational vendetta against an entertainment company is quite annoying. Oh no, I say negative stuff about KEY, obviously I'm just being spiteful and biased and it can't be that I just don't like them or the stories they create. Might as well unironically call out 7th and pizzaroll for their SHAFT hate, or duckroll for his Nasu hate, or etc etc.
First: insert "Angel Beats" instead of "Key" here if you wish; it'd all apply equally if I was just talking about that show in specific.
Obviously this varies from person to person, you're not all the same. You've said this before, but others? I don't think Branduil, for instance, has ever even implied that. No, it's more stuff like this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39666511&postcount=6504 , or alternately, yet another post with those same stupid pictures in them. I was speaking in general there, and in general don't see much at all of what I said.
But seriously, are you trying to deny that there's a big contingent of Key hate here? That'd be a pretty hard case to make... that group of animeGAF people stand out strongly against the general opinion of most other anime-fan places I've seen on the net, with regards to Key. I'm not saying that makes them wrong, of course it doesn't, everyone is entitled to their opinion. It does make me wonder how it happened, though. Did some people say it first and then did others agree because they thought it was cool here to hate on Key (sort of like with Donkey Kong 64, I'm sure some of the people who've been hating on it since 2001 liked it at first, before they saw web opinion on the game had turned...), or did people who dislike them all come here because of frustration about how popular Key otherwise is... more likely some of both, I'd think.
The fact that many of these misgivings are opinions is implicit. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. It's also pretty weird trying to call us out for not being explicit in our use of opinionated statements when you frame your nonsense in an objective sense.
Um, I've always said that I try to make it clear when I'm saying something that's a fact, and when I'm saying something that's an opinion... and if it's not clear it should be. Your comments here don't make any sense, in that light.
I certainly think Maeda is an awful writer, so as far as I'm concerned, your entire paragraph is trash.
Anyone can have an opinion, but that doesn't make it objectively true... and I'm sure an objective analysis would not support that. Absolutely no way. The reason that Kanon, Air, and Clannad were all popular, after all, was because of his good writing.
I know there are certainly cases of bad things that do become popular -- the toaru universe immediately springs to mind -- but no way is this one of them.
I don't either, but that's because it's kind of a lazy way of demonstrating what is a much bigger problem.
I will agree here, though of course, as I've said before, I don't even see some of the things that are complained about, as far as visuals go.
It certainly looks high budget. That doesn't mean it looks GOOD though. Honestly I can't get over how completely horrible the color scheme is, and the excessive amount of filtering and bloom present just makes it look worse.
I liked the flashy look of the show, myself.
Yeah, you already know how I feel about this nonsense.
What, so you're sticking to "I hate the writing and so it's objectively bad"? That's not how it works...
The style isn't the main problem, it's the lack
The lack of what? You didn't finish this thought.
KEY has its fanbase. Whatever. That's a dead-end argument from the start because the sample we're talking about in terms of anime fans at large is meaningless. Comparing sales and fanbases for fun and merriment is one thing, but I could just as easily be content with unfairly calling the entire KEY fanbase a bunch of tasteless fools .
It's not a deadend argument, that Key has a large fanbase, and generally gets good reviews, shows that the opinions of people like you and the others here are far from some objective, or commonly accepted, analysis; instead, it's something by people who hate it. Like, don't ask me to give completely objective analysis of Sony hardware design, I doubt i could do it given how much I dislike them.
You don't? That's good, but saying that Key's lead writer is an objectively horrible writer isn't a very large step away from that, I think...
All fiction is manipulative to some extent. Some are just better and making it acceptable than others.
Sure, this is true.
Well one of the show's problems is how not seamless the comedy and drama are. Turns out that was a bad idea. I agree that it's definitely different from Maeda's usual fare. It's still bad, just in different ways.
I thought that the concept, a setting where they actually could mix comedy, action, and tragic drama seamlessly, was brilliant. That kind of tone dissonance rarely works, but one of the most interesting things about Angel Beats was that in this series, there actually was a setting that succeeded in creating the kind of world where that kind of tonal dissonance didn't just work, but worked well.
I loved the ending for how hilarious and stupid it was.
The ending was fantastic and moving, and wasn't funny or stupid at all.
Suit yourself. You like what you like after all. Just don't expect to change anyone's mind.
It became obvious at least a year ago that you're all dead set in your Key/AB hate, yes.
Then he should have tried a different story.
As I said above, why would he? He came up with a great one.
It's one of those weird shows where it felt like it was rushed to hell but at the same time didn't even have enough material to cover the 12 episodes it had.
I'm not sure how to concisely describe that phenomenon.
They had plenty of material, they just needed the time to expand on it... it's definitely too bad that it didn't get a full (two-cour) season. What you're describing there is probably the result of having to cut so much that some things don't quite work which would have with the full length.
