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[Chet Rippo]

For who?

 

[madp]

If you're really interested in this stuff, you could always scour the world of yaoi OVAs such as Ai no Kusabi and Tight-rope. (Warning: View at your own risk.)

Noted.

Since you're aware of these, I assume that they have some kind of artistic merit beyond the fujoshi pander?

 

[cajunator]

well made trash is still trash

Toloveru isnt trash.

 

[firehawk12]

yaoruyaoayaoyaoyaoyaoruyaoi♪

Fuck yes.

Nothing to hate, it's all just love.

The wrong kind of love.

Hidamari Sketch x365 1

There was one particular visual metaphor which was quite effective, showing Yuno's shyness and loneliness in her new surroundings being broken through by the light of Miyako's outgoing nature and spontaneous affection for her, symbolizes by the nickname she comes up with for her - Yunocchi. The music and the active camera work combine to make an exhilirating and heartwarming scene.

It is only after this scene that the 4-3-2-1 countdown traditionally starting each episode kicks in, as if to say that now is when the story of Hidamari Sketch truly starts. It is at moments like these that the overall non-chronological ordering of the show pays off.

After all the work of his that I've seen, I feel comfortable saying that Tatsuya Oishi is the single greatest Shinbo disciple. He understands the style in a way few others have been able to approach.

Since I watched Shaft shows out of "order" and without any awareness of Shaft as a studio or Shinbo as a director or any of that jazz, HidaSketch as a large part of informing my opinion of the "Shaft-style" as anything else. Although I don't think I can distinguish different uses of the Shaft-style by the various actual episode directors that have worked on a Shaft show. lol
Then again, I can tell that Nise is entirely different from Tasogare Otome, so maybe I can nowadays.

 

[Necrovex]

For who?

For that poor gaffer who you suggested the show to. He will become mentally insane when he tries to acquire multiple waifus from the show. And I can't allow someone to have anything more than Mio....Everyone deserves a Mio.

 

[cajunator]

You can tell the shaft style (at least modern) from a mile away. The closest thing to it lately is Penguin Drum sometimes.

 

[chickdigger802]

IdolMaster 4

pro at work

Oh, waifu training eps. Animal girl is pretty cool.

 

[madp]

You can tell the shaft style (at least modern) from a mile away. The closest thing to it lately is Penguin Drum sometimes.

The Hito signal has been lit. An "Ikuhara came first and Shinbo co-opted elements of his style" discussion is inevitable.

 

[cajunator]

For that poor gaffer who you suggested the show to. He will become mentally insane when he tries to acquire multiple waifus from the show. And I can't allow someone to have anything more than Mio....Everyone deserves a Mio.

I do like Mio the best, but none of the K-on girls are waifu material. They are cute though. Except Azusa. She sucks.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

Noted.

Since you're aware of these, I assume that they have some kind of artistic merit beyond the fujoshi pander?

I wouldn't know. I just saw them listed in the OVA section of the countdown website, and they happened to stick in the back of my brain. I can't say I haven't been tempted to check them out, but I haven't worked up the nerve yet.

Since I watched Shaft shows out of "order" and without any awareness of Shaft as a studio or Shinbo as a director or any of that jazz, HidaSketch as a large part of informing my opinion of the "Shaft-style" as anything else. Although I don't think I can distinguish different uses of the Shaft-style by the various actual episode directors that have worked on a Shaft show.

If you pay close attention it's not difficult to distinguish between the merely average episode directors who are simply trying to fit in with the general style of the production and the truly skilled episode directors who make more creative and purposeful decisions. This distinction is certainly not unique to Shaft shows, but it's particularly noticeable there due to the quirkiness of Shinbo's style and consequently the greater effort needed to deploy it in a meaningful way.

Then again, I can tell that Nise is entirely different from Tasogare Otome, so maybe I can nowadays.

Shin Oonuma, director of Tasogare Otome, is one of the more distinctive, if very erratic, Shinbo disciples, with several recognizable fingerprints, such as a use of shifting black bars and an unusual approach to color design that's even noticeable in the Level E episode he storyboarded.

 

[firehawk12]

You can tell the shaft style (at least modern) from a mile away. The closest thing to it lately is Penguin Drum sometimes.

Honestly, when I got back into anime 4 years ago, the idea of directoral style or auteurship in anime was a foreign concept. It certainly never occurred to me to think of western cartoons in that way (although to be fair, by then, all I was watching was South Park and probably the Futurama DVD movies).

If you pay close attention it's not difficult to distinguish between the merely average episode directors who are simply trying to fit in with the general style of the production and the truly skilled episode directors who make more creative and purposeful decisions. This distinction is certainly not unique to Shaft shows, but it's particularly noticeable there due to the quirkiness of Shinbo's style and consequently the greater effort needed to deploy it in a meaningful way.

Oh yeah, Shaft/Shinbo-style is an easy crutch to rely on if you don't really know what you're doing.
"Let's have some random cuts and dutch angles and low angles and then we should insert a random title card and limit the colour palette to two primary colours. Why? Why not!"

Thinking back, Arakawa was probably the least Shafty show in recent years. I don't remember them trying that hard at doing something for the sake of doing it during that show anyway.

 

[chickdigger802]

For that poor gaffer who you suggested the show to. He will become mentally insane when he tries to acquire multiple waifus from the show. And I can't allow someone to have anything more than Mio....Everyone deserves a Mio.

who doesn't want a mugi? She's rich!

 

[Cwarrior]

You can tell the shaft style (at least modern) from a mile away. The closest thing to it lately is Penguin Drum sometimes.

What do you mean the later episodes that have the animation of a power point presentation.

 

[Uchip]

Toloveru isnt trash.

if you say so

 

[cajunator]

What do you mean the later episodes that have the animation of power point presentation.

The visual style of it. The quirkiness and stylistic choices.

 

[Narag]

Mazinger Z vs Dr Hell

Another tv episode (57) as a movie, it seems. Shit was cropped to make it widescreen so everything looks off! It's neat coming off the previous episode movie how far things have gone. Dr. Hell even has a mechanical monster made of Chogokin Z in this. He even takes over the Photon Power Labs!

70s Count Brocken

Dat terrible cropping.

The grim specter of domestic violence

And almost a new terrible news reaction image.

 

[Necrovex]

I do like Mio the best, but none of the K-on girls are waifu material. They are cute though. Except Azusa. She sucks.

Whhhhhhhhhhha?! I cannot comprehend this sentence. No matter how many times I read it, it simply does not make any sense.

who doesn't want a mugi? She's rich!

Her eyebrows, man. Only people like Rock Lee should date Mugi. Normal people simply cannot handle those brows.

 

[Tomat]

I'll just repost this.

That is... quite the story!

Seriously, gonna have to read about that who "wife stole my daughter" thing to see how it played out.

 

[madp]

I wouldn't know. I just saw them listed in the OVA section of the countdown website, and they happened to stick in the back of my brain. I can't say I haven't been tempted to check them out, but I haven't worked up the nerve yet.

Ah, I see. Since it's unlikely that you're going to find anyone else here already familiar with these works

Spoiler

who isn't DTL

, if you end up watching them I'll watch them too so that there can at least be some sort of discussion. I'm serious about my quest to find quality works targeted toward fujoshi!

Honestly, when I got back into anime 4 years ago, the idea of directoral style or auteurship in anime was a foreign concept. It certainly never occurred to me to think of western cartoons in that way (although to be fair, by then, all I was watching was South Park and probably the Futurama DVD movies).

I can't believe that some of you people have been regularly watching anime for even less time than me.

 

[survivor]

Noted.

Since you're aware of these, I assume that they have some kind of artistic merit beyond the fujoshi pander?

I don't know about artistic merit, but Ai no Kusabi seems to have some historical importance for the yaoi genre. At least that's the impression I got about it when I was researching the novels. Oh and it'a also apparently very explicit so there is that.

 

[Novid]

I know the TV anime is going to be censored to hell and back but it does look like Xebec is trying this time.

Regardless, I approve of their work so far.

Xebec, gonna Xebec.

And speaking of the dude, i tend to notice once some of the Japanese mangaka get fucked over, they get better and bolder. The American Comic artitst (see John K etc) get bitter and passed over by younger hungrier dudes (Seth MacFarlane, P.Ward)

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

Honestly, when I got back into anime 4 years ago, the idea of directoral style or auteurship in anime was a foreign concept. It certainly never occurred to me to think of western cartoons in that way (although to be fair, by then, all I was watching was South Park and probably the Futurama DVD movies).

American animation doesn't really place the same emphasis on direction that you find in Japanese animation, at least in the television sphere. Of course, when you go to animated movies you get people like Don Bluth.

Ah, I see. Since it's unlikely that you're going to find anyone else here already familiar with these works

Spoiler

who isn't DTL

, if you end up watching them I'll watch them too so that there can at least be some sort of discussion. I'm serious about my quest to find quality works targeted toward fujoshi!

Well, Ai no Kusabi in both its iterations was at least directed by an industry veteran, Katsuhito Akiyama (Bubblegum Crisis, El-Hazard), so if I check anything out it'll be that.

 

[Dresden]

Ah, I see. Since it's unlikely that you're going to find anyone else here already familiar with these works

Spoiler

who isn't DTL

, if you end up watching them I'll watch them too so that there can at least be some sort of discussion. I'm serious about my quest to find quality works targeted toward fujoshi!



I can't believe that some of you people have been regularly watching anime for even less time than me.

you should just watch Ouran (I noticed you didn't watch it when I was stalking everyone last week). Not exactly the kind of yaoi-tastic fujoshi-baiting works that you might be looking for, but it's a reverse harem so it totally works, right? Asides from also being a great show.

 

[firehawk12]

Noted.

Since you're aware of these, I assume that they have some kind of artistic merit beyond the fujoshi pander?

I wouldn't know. I just saw them listed in the OVA section of the countdown website, and they happened to stick in the back of my brain. I can't say I haven't been tempted to check them out, but I haven't worked up the nerve yet.

You know, I avoid the yaoi ovas (especially the ones subbed by a certain group) because they usually devolve into straight up (hurr) porn.

Shin Oonuma, director of Tasogare Otome, is one of the more distinctive, if very erratic, Shinbo disciples, with several recognizable fingerprints, such as a use of shifting black bars and an unusual approach to color design that's even noticeable in the Level E episode he storyboarded.

Yeah. It's funny to see distinctive versions of the same style. Like... I dunno, spinoff bands or cover bands or something like that.

I can't believe that some of you people have been regularly watching anime for even less time than me.

My first contemporary anime is MacrossF. lol

 

[Crash Station]

That is... quite the story!

Seriously, gonna have to read about that who "wife stole my daughter" thing to see how it played out.

That was also posted.

- There is this person called Nakamura Ine who is quite famous on the Nico Nico website (a large Japanese online community somewhat like Youtube), who turned out to be a minor (last year in high school) and also insinuated that he has something going on with a Kashiwagi Shiho.

- Now this Shiho was the wife of Yabuki Kentaro, the author of To-Love-Ru. She met Yabuki when he was looking for assistants, seduced him and ended up becoming his wife and gave birth to a daughter.

- But she hardly did any house work, neglected her daughter, and spent most of her days in front of a computer spending time in Nico Nico etc.

- January 2009, when Yabuki was sick with flu and bedridden, she kidnapped her own daughter and disappeared, and it turned out that she left her daughter at her parents' place while she was doing this and that with Ine.

- February 2009, Yabuki 'begged' Shiho to return for the sake of their daughter, and Shiho did return to Tokyo, but few days later she dropped out once again with the girl, this time taking a notebook computer and Yabuki's credit cards. Yabuki later stopped the cards, but a large sum of money was already taken out.

- Yabuki looked for them everywhere, but to no avail. March 2009, Shiho demanded a divorce on the grounds of personality clash and a large chunk of Yabuki's assets, but when the evidence of her infidelity was discovered on her computer, she then changed her stance and demanded money in exchange for the custody right of the daughter.

- Realizing it would take over a year to settle things, Yabuki accepted her conditions and got the daughter back.

- Haruna Sairenji was based on Kashiwagi Shiho, and there is a reason why her role was reduced dramatically since volume 13, and Yui getting more prominent. And apparently Shiho has sued/demanded more money for the character of Haruna recently.

- A comment of Yabuki's while this was all happening:
[While I was working hard on a manga that was focused on taking young girls' panties off, another man was taking my wife's panties off.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

You know, I avoid the yaoi ovas (especially the ones subbed by a certain group) because they usually devolve into straight up (hurr) porn.

And you said fujoshi had to use their imagination!

Yeah. It's funny to see distinctive versions of the same style. Like... I dunno, spinoff bands or cover bands or something like that.

It all goes back to Dezaki (and Tezuka before him).

 

[cajunator]

Ah, I see. Since it's unlikely that you're going to find anyone else here already familiar with these works

Spoiler

who isn't DTL

, if you end up watching them I'll watch them too so that there can at least be some sort of discussion. I'm serious about my quest to find quality works targeted toward fujoshi!



I can't believe that some of you people have been regularly watching anime for even less time than me.

Fuck. I have been watching anime since 1998. I'm so old
I'm going to start falling apart soon.

 

[cajunator]

Hey goddammnit I loved Rock a Doodle. and All dogs Go To Heaven is like one of my favorite animated movies ever. Bluth movies were surprisingly dark.
His masterpiece though was Secret of Nimh. that movie is absolutely perfect.

 

[firehawk12]

And you said fujoshi had to use their imagination!

Well, I make a distinction between porn and anime. Otherwise, you could consider that everything has been done.

It all goes back to Dezaki (and Tezuka before him).

Heh, they're still mostly naturalistic though!

 

[chickdigger802]

idolmaster 5

beach eps already?

Still a lot of genki. chihaya gonna be a reoccurring theme?

 

[Risette]

American animation doesn't really place the same emphasis on direction that you find in Japanese animation, at least in the television sphere. Of course, when you go to animated movies you get people like Don Bluth.

I think it comes down to how Japanese animation utilizes storyboards. It allows a high level of precision.

 

[madp]

I don't know about artistic merit, but Ai no Kusabi seems to have some historical importance for the yaoi genre. At least that's the impression I got about it when I was researching the novels. Oh and it'a also apparently very explicit so there is that.

Yeah, after it was brought up I just discovered that there are apparently two different versions. I don't really know quite how far back the history of yaoi extends (Natsu e no Tobira (1980) is probably the earliest anime with shounen ai themes I've seen), but any "vintage" yaoi is of interest to me simply for purposes of comparing and contrasting with modern works in the genre.

But.......explicit? Eh, I'm a grown-up, I guess I can handle it.

Maybe.

Xebec, gonna Xebec.

And speaking of the dude, i tend to notice once some of the Japanese mangaka get fucked over, they get better and bolder. The American Comic artitst (see John K etc) get bitter and passed over by younger hungrier dudes (Seth MacFarlane, P.Ward)

Hey, you can't deny that TLR Darkness and Ren & Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon aren't basically the same in intent! (even if the latter is a permanent shitstain on John K's legacy, whereas everyone says that Darkness is an improvement)

Well, Ai no Kusabi in both its iterations was at least directed by an industry veteran, Katsuhito Akiyama (Bubblegum Crisis, El-Hazard), so if I check anything out it'll be that.

I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't seen either of the two other Akiyama works you've mentioned. Is he stylistically notable for any particular reason or is his long history in the industry the thing that's primarily of note here?

you should just watch Ouran (I noticed you didn't watch it when I was stalking everyone last week). Not exactly the kind of yaoi-tastic fujoshi-baiting works that you might be looking for, but it's a reverse harem so it totally works, right? Asides from also being a great show.

Funny thing is that the primary reason that I haven't watched Ouran isn't the reverse harem themes, it's just that I hate rich private school settings, hahah.

I promise to get to it eventually.

My first contemporary anime is MacrossF. lol

Well, you're not that far behind me. The first anime that I watched week to week as it aired in Japan was Death Note.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

Y'all should try watching some Don Bluth movies without the nostalgia glasses. It might be an eye-opening experience. He's really not all that, and lacks a distinctive voice compared to many of the more peculiar JP directors.

Even besides the fact that half of them movies out-and-out suck. (Fuck you, Rock-a-Doodle!)

Bluth is certainly no, say, Yuasa, but he's still got a distinctive approach to animation that makes itself known in all his works, even those which are not very good. I'm actually not a fan of most of his movies, but a recent rewatching confirmed that The Secret of NIMH is still totally rad. Hopefully my childhood memories of The Land Before Time will also hold up when I get around to watching that.

Well, I make a distinction between porn and anime. Otherwise, you could consider that everything has been done.

Animated porn is still anime. Let us never forget that breeding ground of future talent Pop Chaser.

Heh, they're still mostly naturalistic though!

Dezaki had a surreal, symbolic, abstract side to him that Shinbo picked up and accentuated.

 

[madp]

Y'all should try watching some Don Bluth movies without the nostalgia glasses. It might be an eye-opening experience. He's really not all that, and lacks a distinctive voice compared to many of the more peculiar JP directors.

Even besides the fact that half of them movies out-and-out suck. (Fuck you, Rock-a-Doodle!)

I once had a girlfriend who would murder anyone who dared speak ill about Rock-a-Doodle.

Spoiler

I fucking hated it, but I kept it to myself!

Though her favorite genre was also apparently NTR ifyouknowwhatimean, so irreconcilable taste problems solved in more ways than one!

Spoiler

;_;

I still love 99% of what Bluth produced, if not for any critical reason but merely because I find it to be straight-up entertaining western cartoon fun.

 

[Narag]

I once had a girlfriend who would murder anyone who dared speak ill about Rock-a-Doodle.

Spoiler

I fucking hated it, but I kept it to myself!

I used to know every line. When I rewatched it last year or whatever, I still remembered over half. I was a troubled youth.

 

[cajunator]

That's it. I'm tracking down a bunch of old BLuth movies now. Yall made me nostalgic

 

[Tomat]

Binbougami! Ga 05

dawwww

Better than episode 4, but I have to say, both Ichiko and Momiji assholes. I was rootin for Momiji to finally get her way, and when she almost does she starts punching a kid dangling from a rope tied to a ceiling.

That was also posted.

Jesus, that's terrible. Is that all confirmed to be true?

How the heck can she get away with that?

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't seen either of the two other Akiyama works you've mentioned. Is he stylistically notable for any particular reason or is his long history in the industry the thing that's primarily of note here?

I... haven't seen them either, but they both seem pretty well-respected and historically significant works. (I still have a long way to go before I can call myself "well-read" when it comes to anime.) I don't know if he's stylistically interesting or anything, but at least he's a mainstream director instead of some porn guy. (His most recent work is the Inazuma Eleven series, actually.)

Funny thing is that the primary reason that I haven't watched Ouran isn't the reverse harem themes, it's just that I hate rich private school settings, hahah.

Tsk, tsk. Oniisama e proves that elite private schools for the wealthy can be some of the best settings around.

Well, you're not that far behind me. The first anime that I watched week to week as it aired in Japan was Death Note.

Even though I've been watching anime for about a decade now (first became interested in the field around the release of Spirited Away), I'm a relative latecomer to following currently-airing shows. Durarara was the first one I watched close to its original airing.

 

[dakkumauji]

Gintama 57

Ahahahahahahahahaha!

Serious arc time!

 

[Branduil]

American animation doesn't really place the same emphasis on direction that you find in Japanese animation, at least in the television sphere. Of course, when you go to animated movies you get people like Don Bluth.

I have to think that this all goes back to Osamu Tezuka and his work basically inventing the anime industry. When you're working with limited animation it's much more important that the animation you do have is framed in an interesting way. And coming from a manga background, instead of starting as an animator, he was probably naturally more concerned with emphasizing framing and how things were presented.

Western animation started off focused on full animation, and as a result the framing was usually quite simple in order to leave the focus on the animation itself. And of course, there's the difference in time periods. When western animation broke out, doing complex camera moves would not really be feasible. And the art of direction itself was still in its infancy, in many ways. So you ended up with a fairly static camera with a lot of action going on within the frame. That's not to say western animation doesn't have any interesting direction, but it's usually limited to full-length films. Western animation on TV, even though it's usually limited animation, still draws much of its influence from the full-motion shorts of Disney and Warner Brothers. Or Hanna Barbara if we're particularly unlucky.

I guess it's not surprising that animation from a particular geographic region would take after its forefathers' style. The widespread awareness in the western world of anime as a distinct thing rather than just "animation made in Japan" is quite recent after all.

 

[Thoraxes]

I Hope I Don't Accidentally Get With My Imouto - 05

Noooooooooo, the

Spoiler

imouto-cafe with the imouto becomes your wife day and they make the omurice according to character-archetype

has to stay no matter what! The economy rides on this.

A grey is good, but I want more class pres. Newspaper girl is awesome, and those boots.

 

[Uchip]

That's it. I'm tracking down a bunch of old BLuth movies now. Yall made me nostalgic

I like a few of them

 

[Branduil]

I think it comes down to how Japanese animation utilizes storyboards. It allows a high level of precision.

Well, from what I have seen, anime does place a much higher emphasis on storyboards, and in particular on having the framing and basic layout of shots already planned out in them. Again, I have to wonder if this is the manga influence of Tezuka showing.

 

[SDBurton]

To Love Ru Darkness OVA - 01

I remember the first half from the manga, but apparently I didn't get that far into it because I didn't see the 2nd half coming. My word.

There better be some Mikado-senseixRito in this otherwise heads will roll.

 

[Westlo]

That was also posted.

Man that's kinda really fucked up... but it got us more Yui... and Yui >>>>>>>>> Haruna... but still fucked up.

 

[cajunator]

Hyouka 04

The group goes to Chitanda's 1% place.
Chitanda cutely makes riceballs as Oreki comes up with the obvious.

 

[Articalys]

Kawahara is god damn rich, and Sword Art Online is crazy popular. To put in perspective how insane the anime boost for it has been, SAO Volume 1, which came out in April 2009, had sold about 210,000 copies as of the week right before the anime began. That means a three year old light novel increased its lifetimes sales in the last five weeks alone by 50%.

Light Novel Sales for August 6-12

*1, 63,744 *63,744 Accel World Vol. 12
*2, 37,422 228,491 Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki
*3, 31,330 *31,330 Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon Vol. 5, Part 1
*4, 21,405 331,566 Sword Art Online Vol. 1
*5, 18,667 *49,199 One Piece Official Animation Guide White!
*6, 18,578 278,718 Sword Art Online Vol. 2
*7, 18,330 *18,330 Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo Vol. 7.5
*8, 16,730 252,880 Sword Art Online Vol. 3
*9, 16,427 476,189 Biblia Koshodou no Jiken Techou Vol. 3
10, 16,156 243,951 Sword Art Online Vol. 4

11, 14,444 *14,444 Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai Vol. 2
12, 14,070 *54,578 Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki Kids Edition
13, 13,952 *13,952 Goshujin-sama wa Yamaneko Hime Vol. 10
14, 13,219 916,742 Biblia Koshodou no Jiken Techou Vol. 1
15, 12,542 *12,542 Kemono no Souja Vol. 3 Small Size Edition
16, 12,294 221,872 Sword Art Online Vol. 5
17, 11,892 213,580 Sword Art Online Vol. 6
18, 11,786 119,964 Kagerou Days
19, 11,752 177,597 Sword Art Online Vol.10
20, 11,569 *11,569 Kemono no Souja Vol. 4 Small Size Edition

21, 11,200 203,763 Sword Art Online Vol. 7
22, 11,034 203,446 Sword Art Online Vol. 8
23, 10,844 *10,844 Black Bullet Vol. 4
24, 10,558 *10,558 New Fortune Quest Vol. 20
25, 10,036 *10,036 Nareru! SE Vol. 7
26, 10,025 199,099 Sword Art Online Vol. 9
27, *9,881 174,090 Another Vol. 1
28, *8,974 177,632 Kuroko no Basket Vol. 2
29, *8,748 642,921 Biblia Koshodou no Jiken Techou Vol. 2
30, *8,699 188,676 Kuroko no Basket Vol. 1
31, *6,941 **6,941 To LOVE-Ru Darkness Little Sisters

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Kawahara is god damn rich, and Sword Art Online is crazy popular. To put in perspective how insane the anime boost for it has been, SAO Volume 1, which came out in April 2009, had sold about 210,000 copies as of the week right before the anime began. That means a three year old light novel increased its lifetimes sales in the last five weeks alone by 50%.

Bueno.

 

[Branduil]

Y'all should try watching some Don Bluth movies without the nostalgia glasses. It might be an eye-opening experience. He's really not all that, and lacks a distinctive voice compared to many of the more peculiar JP directors.

Even besides the fact that half of them movies out-and-out suck. (Fuck you, Rock-a-Doodle!)

Some of his early works are still quite good. But when he went bad, he went real bad, and fast.

I still love 99% of what Bluth produced, if not for any critical reason but merely because I find it to be straight-up entertaining western cartoon fun.

Whoa dude, that's a crazy percentage unless you are just pretending that everything post-All Dogs Go to Heaven doesn't exist.

 

[firehawk12]

Funny thing is that the primary reason that I haven't watched Ouran isn't the reverse harem themes, it's just that I hate rich private school settings, hahah.

I promise to get to it eventually.

Well, you're not that far behind me. The first anime that I watched week to week as it aired in Japan was Death Note.

I don't Ouran really counts, since it has its cake and eats it too in terms of lampshading the whole concept while revelling in it. Like the whole yaoi-twincest thing for example.

And you know, I didn't watch MacF week to week. Or maybe I got into it while it was still airing, I don't remember.

Y'all should try watching some Don Bluth movies without the nostalgia glasses. It might be an eye-opening experience. He's really not all that, and lacks a distinctive voice compared to many of the more peculiar JP directors.

Even besides the fact that half of them movies out-and-out suck. (Fuck you, Rock-a-Doodle!)

I think it comes down to how Japanese animation utilizes storyboards. It allows a high level of precision.

American animation doesn't really place the same emphasis on direction that you find in Japanese animation, at least in the television sphere. Of course, when you go to animated movies you get people like Don Bluth.

I'm thinking mostly TV in this case. I can't name a single Simpsons director and I watched 10 seasons of that shit.
(Except Groenig, I guess? He directed some episodes I'm sure.)

I'm assuming that Parker and Stone direct every episode of South Park, but that's probably not true either.

Either way, Amerime seems to be much more writer focused than animator focused anyway. It's why I know Conan O'Brien wrote for the early years of The Simpsons even though I can't name anyone on the animation side.

Animated porn is still anime. Let us never forget that breeding ground of future talent Pop Chaser.

Dezaki had a surreal, symbolic, abstract side to him that Shinbo picked up and accentuated.

I dunno. If hentai is anime, then porn films are real films and things like "Two Girls One Cup" are considered normal. If that's true, I don't want to live in this world.

And I think "accentuated" is an understatement. lol