Passive Assassin
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mhhm on the fence for the new vlx... will it be at ncr?
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Super "NeoGAF Arcade Stick Thread" II TURBO
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Thanks for the link, but it turns out they only have 6 buttons available (Arcade Shock only has 1)! I was able to place an order for 8 from akishop.jp, however.
My impression of the kuros is that they are mushy and require more force to depress compared to the Sanwa OBSF-30s. The Kuro plungers also tend to wiggle a bit, which adds noise and occasionally throws off my execution.
I have both the HRAP4/PS4 and the original Fighting Edge, and interestingly enough, the Kuros in the FE actually feel quite a bit better (less mushy, less prone to wiggle) than the ones in the HRAP4. That said, I still prefer the OBSF-30s.
The Hayabusa level is fine, I actually prefer it over the JLF.
mdsfx
Member
They don't depress as far and feel every so slightly "squishy" at the bottom of the press, but I got used to them very quickly. It's all I use along with a silent jlf in both of my sticks.
Drop in. Just make sure you get 30mm pushbuttons, and one 24mm if you want to replace the Options/Start button.
If you are picky like me, I would stay away from them because they are sure to feel at least slightly different. Arcade Shock has silent 30mm Sanwas in stock and I was considering picking them up before I found standard versions at akishop.
Sorta Maximus
Member
I can't wait for my two VLX Kuro PS3/PS4 sticks to come!! Super excited. I haven't kept a stick long term since the NES Advantage. I did dabble in the earlier Fightsticks and the HRAP4 though. I think these may be the two sticks to rule them all!! I was thinking of building a custom stand with matching aesthetics for my set of two sticks. How cool would that be 
If the VLX Diamond is just polished steel could you not just strip the paint and polish the steel up to get the same effect on the new VLX Kuro PS3/PS4 sticks?
Also what extras should I buy for my new sticks?? I'm new to upgrading and I understand that replacing the buttons with Swana is popular - which ones do I ideally want (I love red) and any other upgrades to look out for?? I understand that new Hori joystick is very solid. Should I buy the bags? I can't find the link yet...
Are silent Swana or Hori parts worth it?
Oh and which online stores do I want to shop at? Just Arcade Shock??
If the VLX Diamond is just polished steel could you not just strip the paint and polish the steel up to get the same effect on the new VLX Kuro PS3/PS4 sticks?
Also what extras should I buy for my new sticks?? I'm new to upgrading and I understand that replacing the buttons with Swana is popular - which ones do I ideally want (I love red) and any other upgrades to look out for?? I understand that new Hori joystick is very solid. Should I buy the bags? I can't find the link yet...
Are silent Swana or Hori parts worth it?
Oh and which online stores do I want to shop at? Just Arcade Shock??
Bar81
Member
Thanks
Resolution
Member
Oh my!!! The VLX sounds so tempting MUST RESIST!!!
Sorta Maximus
Member
Resistance is futile. We will add your technological joystick inputs to our own.
Passive Assassin
Member
hmm wonder how hard it will be to put artwork on the vlx.
Resolution
Member
So does anyone think this will sell out quick? I might not be able to order till April.
I'd be surprised if they're still taking pre-orders next week.
hitsugi
Member
I'm kind of surprised they're still taking pre-orders now, actually.
Thanks, guess I'll go for the regular Sanwas then. I need that feeling.
Sorta Maximus
Member
Custom articulating table arm.
Gunslinger
Member
Any reviews on the Kai 4 yet?
I do, but I'm 6'4, 250. Feels great to me.
I THULSA DOOM I
Banned
Have not used an arcade stick since around 1995 but have a couple of very noobish questions...
Just got back into fighting games and pre ordered a Hori Kai because I have been told it makes the experience better.
Q: When I play mk9 on a 360 pad I have a bad time doing the "forward, forward" motion mid combo. I always seem to initiate a jump instead of a dash. Will an arcade stick help with precision of directional movement?
How about facilitating less mashing and more precise button pressing?
And yes I know, practice is the key to all of this.
Just got back into fighting games and pre ordered a Hori Kai because I have been told it makes the experience better.
Q: When I play mk9 on a 360 pad I have a bad time doing the "forward, forward" motion mid combo. I always seem to initiate a jump instead of a dash. Will an arcade stick help with precision of directional movement?
How about facilitating less mashing and more precise button pressing?
And yes I know, practice is the key to all of this.
The square gate on the Hayabusa will give you very precise directionals, so you shouldn't have any trouble accidentally hitting up. Given that there are no diagonals in MK inputs (that I recall, usually it's DF+P, etc), you should have a very good experience on it.
Some people prefer an Octagonal gate for SF and others, but there isn't one available for the Hayabusa without modding, as far as I know.
The buttons on an arcade stick require less force to activate and the layout permits you to rest your fingers across the buttons, so you should be able to improve your execution with a stick.
Note that if you are just making the transition from a pad, there's going to be a learning curve. I made the transition in the PS1 era (Namco Arcade Stick and Sega HSS-0136 FTW!), and it took several weeks to get back to where I was on a pad. Once you get to that point, you keep getting better, so the effort is worth it.
I THULSA DOOM I
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Thank you very much for this
Thanks!
That bit about them feeling different between the HRAP and FE may account for the varying opinions that I'm finding. I guess I'm just going to have to find out for myself if they'll need to be replaced or not.
That VLX Kuro is absolutely stunning, but it will be 324 EUR to import one. Then probably 80 EUR on top of it for custom fees. So I guess I'll go with the RAP4 Kai instead.
Would have definitely considered the Kuro if it were to be sold within Europe but I don't want to do with the ridiculous costs on top of the stick itself.
Would have definitely considered the Kuro if it were to be sold within Europe but I don't want to do with the ridiculous costs on top of the stick itself.
Yeah I recommend giving them a try before you order replacements. If you like the Kuros, you'll save yourself ~$30-40 on replacements and if not, you'll still be able to play on them while you wait.
VLX layout has same amount of space as a TE. Not sure what the kai layout is.
So tempted to do the same.
Hellshingu
Member
Was the VLX diamond ever available in Europe? I'm holding out for a brushed steel version of the new VLX and because I don't want to spend $500+ on sticks right now. Hopefully I won't regret it.
Well, I'm new to this but according to what I've read it was never an option for the VLX releases.
I have the OG VLX and use it primarily on a table. Lap play is unwieldy for me, not only because of the size/weight, but also because of the wrist rest area (i.e., the slant on the front of the stick). That area is designed for your wrists to naturally slope downward when your hands are at the controls, but that doesn't work very well if the stick positioned low and close to the body, such as on the lap. You can mitigate this to an extent by pushing the stick out towards your knees, but then the stick gets a little harder to balance due to its weight.
There's a pushbutton on the quick disconnects. It was discussed earlier in the thread, but I can't find the post right now. I'm pretty sure I posted a link to an SRK thread about it, though.
Edit:
Here it is:
That's exactly my concern. I've used sit-down cabs for fighters and this form is great at that height given the way the controls would protrude over my legs. This shape seems odd for other uses with the slope at the wrist-rest area, and the horizontal size makes it awkward for placement in a seated setup or even floor setup. Can't position it between my legs.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'd love it, just gotta be discerning considering the cost.
Rice-Eater
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I pretty much have the same sentiments. When I use my VLX on a table, it's my favorite to use. When I play it on my lap it's probably my least favorite. That's why I wouldn't take it to tournaments when I attended more often in the past. The weight and size is a pain in the ass, but it was the comfort level from the way you described it that was the biggest problem for me.
MarkMan
loves Arcade Sticks
Please refer to Skilletor's post! Let me know if there are any other questions.
MarkMan
loves Arcade Sticks
This cool guy just celebrated its 6th birthday (Street Fighter IV & this product launched in Feb. of 2009). It helped create a legacy and new age within the fighting game community for Mad Catz​. This past weekend at Cannes Winter Clash, the winner of the Ultra Street Fighter​ IV tournament (Poongko, S. Korea) used the original SF4 Tournament Edition FightStick to claim victory. Its been a wild ride. You aint seen nothing yet.
What's your favorite arcade stick related memory since SF4 launched?
Favorite arcade stick related memory is seeing Hori first release the Taito style VLX and then actually grab the Taito/Vewlix branding for the second release of the DIA version (!!) Wish other companies chased the arcade official stuff as hardcore.
That and my EX-SE, which seems will never be topped, ever.
That and my EX-SE, which seems will never be topped, ever.
Bar81
Member
They'll be getting more so the getting is still fine.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Are their any artwork mod supplies for the 4 Kai out anywhere yet? I'm looking forward to the stick but I like the other model's red top, so I think going custom here might be better for me.
I'm going to stay cautiously optimistic, but it may have been oversold. We won't know until order updates start going out. Hopefully we'll receive notification today.
From my experience with Amazon with the buy button still active and no change in early pre-order shipping status, all that means is that it missed it's listed release date of today, which is not surprising. They could still very easily have enough in their initial allocation.
That was always the date on Amazon UK since their listing showed up.
Stallion Dan
Member
When Sony updated their firmware on PS3 and two of my custom sticks died.
Sounds bad, but it killed what for me would have turned into a too expenive habbit.