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With the exception of Chaingrabbing and his blaster, Smash 4 Falco is actually a better than Brawl Falco if you can believe it.
But those 2 big changes were big. Chaingrabbing was free, consistent damage. And Falco could camp with his lasers and most characters couldn't do jack squat.
It's a shame because I really them to buff him since Falco's awesome, but his Brawl incarnation was just an abomination.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Brawl Falco had that crazy active dair though, whereas Sm4sh Falco needs to sweetspot to get the spike and the move has heavy startup. Falco's also one of the characters affected by the loss of DACUS, missing a strong approach option and a decent combo ender.
The loss of chaingrabbing and autocancel lasers is understandable, as well as DACUS to an extent. The major problem with Sm4sh Falco is with his lack of good, safe approach options that let him win neutral against the top tier of this game. It doesn't help his grabs are slower now. Sure, his aerials are mostly improved and his combo game is still great, but this game is heavily reliant on getting that first grab in, and Falco isn't fast enough or has the range to reliably get in the grabs he needs to start his combos.
His bair is hella good tho just saying
The loss of chaingrabbing and autocancel lasers is understandable, as well as DACUS to an extent. The major problem with Sm4sh Falco is with his lack of good, safe approach options that let him win neutral against the top tier of this game. It doesn't help his grabs are slower now. Sure, his aerials are mostly improved and his combo game is still great, but this game is heavily reliant on getting that first grab in, and Falco isn't fast enough or has the range to reliably get in the grabs he needs to start his combos.
His bair is hella good tho just saying
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wolf has the best bair and dsmash
In Melee the Star Fox voices are actually Japanese but had muted lines iirc.
And yeah Assault Star Fox voice is great. Though in Brawl while they brought back 2 of the VAs, it was only Fox who returned properly (Falco's Brawl VA was Assault ROB64). Wolf was a new one (Jay Ward), since Grant Goodeve (his Assault VA) had retired, but man he did get the voice so well.
In Melee the Star Fox voices are actually Japanese but had muted lines iirc.
And yeah Assault Star Fox voice is great. Though in Brawl while they brought back 2 of the VAs, it was only Fox who returned properly (Falco's Brawl VA was Assault ROB64). Wolf was a new one (Jay Ward), since Grant Goodeve (his Assault VA) had retired, but man he did get the voice so well.
balladofwindfishes
Member
"Retired" as in "I'm retired, but I'll still voice Engineer occasionally because Valve writes a fat check for like 6 lines I can record from home"
Since he still voices Engineer every so often, although Nolan North doing his best Goodeve impression has also voiced Engineer more often recently, so maybe he's getting close to fully retired.
Jay Ward is the best Wolf voice.
Since he still voices Engineer every so often, although Nolan North doing his best Goodeve impression has also voiced Engineer more often recently, so maybe he's getting close to fully retired.
Jay Ward is the best Wolf voice.
MrSaturn99
Member
Yes, but I was referring to the taunt/Adventure mode messages. Fox and Falco were also "just fine," whereas Chris Seavor's Peppy and Slippy are nightmares unto themselves.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Ahh right
but the Smash 4 "taunt" was the worst, it feels many levels of wrong, which really sucks when you look at the majesty that was lylat cruise "taunt"
I thought he was replaced by Nolan North?
Wolf's now voiced by Ja Green in Star Fox Zero, not Nolan North.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Only for big projects like the 15 minute short. Goodeve still does Engineer when it's a couple of voice lines, like for Halloween or whatever. As far as I know, Goodeve did Engineer's lines from this year for the Competitive Update. So he might be retired, but at least somewhat active enough to voice Engineer every so often as long as it isn't a huge project. It's not exactly a hard voice to do (especially considering North is 99% spot on impersonating Goodeve).
Talking about TF2
Goodeve voices a character called Engineer in that game. And Engineer gets new voice lines occasionally, between Nolan North or Goodeve, depending on Goodeve's current state of retirement I guess.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Ah I see. Still wish they stuck with Jay Ward. I think Falco and Leon are the only consistent characters in Star Fox... in Japanese.
I sure hope its just a coincidence that they have the same name and you really don't think there's a possibility Miis won't make a return.
WonderRade
Member
did we already discuss this?
https://twitter.com/larrylurr/status/812086156082888704
I have no idea how larry would know anything like this...
https://twitter.com/larrylurr/status/812086156082888704
I have no idea how larry would know anything like this...
I do think they'll return, I'm just making sure. It's like when Rohan made damn sure that Cheap Trick went to hell.
TheDinoman
Member
A big name tourney player claiming they know the next DLC character when they really don't?
Sounds familiar....
MrSaturn99
Member
Nooooooo!!!!!
Professor Beef
Banned
I'll wait for actual confirmation first.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm not even surprised with this news (or rumors as if y'all would like to call it) because Switch is more likely to have something different to replace Miiverse as "social media" so without Miiverse for Switch, so the stage might have to get cut in a result.
Yeah, I saw it coming.
Miiverse stage being gone doesn't meant Mii would get cut. Home stage for Mii is pretty much Wii Sport Resort.
It's more likely that he didn't know anything.
Triforce141
Member
I'll believe it when I see it, because there's no way I'll believe Mr. "Where's My Royalty For Advertising Shovel Knight for Smash DLC, Yacht Club Games?"
That guy is way too narcissistic, sheesh
I bet he'll pat himself on the back if it happens too
balladofwindfishes
Member
Did Shovel Knight ever get added to Smash Bros?
Oh...
RIP Miiverse
Oh...
RIP Miiverse
I'm not really sure if the Switch will have Miiverse or not, but this "rumor" isn't even anything and isn't from a terribly reliable source
It also has one of the best arrangements in the game: Mario Paint Medley.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah I always giggle at the Miiverse stage.
TheDinoman
Member
Source Gaming founder and NeoGAF user PushDustIn is also reporting no Miiverse stage. He also heard that there will be a new Mii Fighter costume based on Link from Breath of the Wild.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I haven't played on Battlefield in years. I don't see the point when a cloned stage with better music and better visuals exists.
So I hope Miiverse comes back. Even if it's rebranded to something new.
Actually, Dreamland and Miiverse are in a constant struggle on my system for that coveted "most played stage" award that's buried in the stats menu.
Also, new Mii costumes is a good sign. That means Miis are coming back. There was always that feeling in the back of my mind Miis weren't coming back, if they weren't part of the OS of the Switch. And having three entire characters cut due to the loss of an OS function would be ridiculous.
So I hope Miiverse comes back. Even if it's rebranded to something new.
Actually, Dreamland and Miiverse are in a constant struggle on my system for that coveted "most played stage" award that's buried in the stats menu.
Also, new Mii costumes is a good sign. That means Miis are coming back. There was always that feeling in the back of my mind Miis weren't coming back, if they weren't part of the OS of the Switch. And having three entire characters cut due to the loss of an OS function would be ridiculous.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
There is a chance we might get rebranded Miiverse stage but I'm not sure how likely it is. I meant someone found a new format of "Social Media" that probably going to replace Miiverse and Spot Pass. Someone dug through the information and found this.
I don't understand why people would actually think Mii is going away because it doesn't make any sense after they spent so much time to marketing Mii brand (Miitomo, Mii Fighters and DLC costumes, etc)
TheDinoman
Member
Mate, Nintendo already utilized Miis in Miitomo and MyNintendo, both of which were initiated at the beginning of this year. What made you think they would randomly drop them from the Switch like that? lol
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Dear SmashGAF,
Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday to y'all
Sincerely,
IntelliHeath
Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday to y'all
Sincerely,
IntelliHeath
Some might be interested, top 8 Smash at GCC Majors, though now they're at losers finals.
https://www.twitch.tv/gccmajors2
Just a little support for my local scene.
https://www.twitch.tv/gccmajors2
Just a little support for my local scene.
MrSaturn99
Member
I imagine they'll just get shuffled into other stages.
...there's no way Nintendo drops Miis on Switch. The new account system they debuted just his year uses Miis, and both Miitomo and Miitopia came out this year.
I don't know how any sane person could think Miis weren't going to be a part of the Switch.
Troubled Bat
Member
What a waste. Could have been for Link.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday to you too, Heath!
Professor Beef
Banned
Most Smash speculators aren't.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I believe Miis will be part of Switch. But part of me also thinks maybe they don't, or they make them web based only or something.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, I agreed. Especially with a guy whom sacrificed a sex with lady for Brawl Sonic's announcement.
Happy Birthday Beef!
MrSaturn99
Member
why does this still make me laugh
Professor Beef
Banned
*strangles*
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
y'all are some crazy motherfuckers
feliz navidad assholes, can't wait for my christmas gift from sakurai to arrive sometime in January. I asked for the tears of smash for switch hopefuls~
feliz navidad assholes, can't wait for my christmas gift from sakurai to arrive sometime in January. I asked for the tears of smash for switch hopefuls~
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Damn. I'm sure jokes about Woolie's MvC3 story was already covered during this conversation when it first happened.
I'd do the same thing, though.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Sakurai really have a nice collection of systems and games.
Haha! I remember that story when it broke out long time ago.
Haha! I remember that story when it broke out long time ago.
Triforce141
Member
Sakurai's amiibo collection is lacking
Red Arremer
Member
OMG there's several Vic Viper models. Sakurai likes Gradius! O:
balladofwindfishes
Member
I like how he has NES ROB and Famicom ROB
I just noticed they're in series addition order (other than DLC). And almost within the order in the game's files, although he pairs Lucina and Robin and Dark Pit with Palutena because that's where they always should have been. And also he has the Brawl characters in the order they were revealed on the Dojo.
Edit: They're all in the order revealed. The Smash 4 characters are as well. That's why Dark Pit and Lucina are with their other series characters. He must consider Palutena's trailer to also be Dark Pit's official reveal. Which it was. But at that point he probably was still a costume.
I just noticed they're in series addition order (other than DLC). And almost within the order in the game's files, although he pairs Lucina and Robin and Dark Pit with Palutena because that's where they always should have been. And also he has the Brawl characters in the order they were revealed on the Dojo.
Edit: They're all in the order revealed. The Smash 4 characters are as well. That's why Dark Pit and Lucina are with their other series characters. He must consider Palutena's trailer to also be Dark Pit's official reveal. Which it was. But at that point he probably was still a costume.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Triforce141 and I had a discussion about that in the discord. He discovered that the order of secret Melee newcomers was based on unlockable via numbers of matches.
TheDinoman
Member
Laura Kate Dale had this to say.
And there we have it, folks. Two new characters is probably all we're gonna get in that regard. One of them will probably be Ice Climbers. Dunno about the other, maybe Inkling or Chorus Kids.
I just hope they take the time to finish up the DLC characters and give them their own custom moves and Palutena Guidances.
And there we have it, folks. Two new characters is probably all we're gonna get in that regard. One of them will probably be Ice Climbers. Dunno about the other, maybe Inkling or Chorus Kids.
I just hope they take the time to finish up the DLC characters and give them their own custom moves and Palutena Guidances.