Troubled Bat
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I'm truly expecting 4 characters for Smash Switch, but we if got more than that... Fuck yeah.
How so?
How so?
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TheDinoman
Member
Chain grabbing's gone, buddy boy.
Besides, it's not exactly like the competitive scene for this game is Sakurai's #1 priority lol.
Dark_3nergy
Member
They had various types of infinite's using their grab. While Smash4's engine does have a mechanic that prevents re-grabbing the opponent for a select a mount of time, Ice Climbers when de-sync'ed are pretty crafty for getting damage in up close. They have the tools to do it.
Oh, I know.
Troubled Bat
Member
Yes, I know. Lol
I use Ice Climbers in Melee and Brawl. I was just more of mentioning it because of the whole change to grabs in Smash 4.
Plus who knows what changes they'd even get moving into this game.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I would love it if Sakurai would able to draw several choices from Smash Ballots, and surprise the fans with the choices of characters. I definitely could see the roster contains the mix of fan favorite characters and new blood characters.
It's going to be very exciting to watch Switch Event so we could get the feeling what they have in their sleeves for upcoming Smash. However it's plausible that we wouldn't hear anything about Smash Bros until E3 2017 but I hope that it wouldn't be in case.
That's what I pretty much said in previous post. I don't think source know everything tho. Maybe the information came from one of the place that had an accessible to the footage or trailers, they heard something from third party companies or etc. I'm shooting wildly with baseless ammos, so I'm not sure where I'm going with it.
Well, I know Ice Climbers is already labelled as grabber character in a sense because they are famous for chain grabbing. What if the gimmick around Ice Climbers would allow themselves to able to chain grab but not long as it used to be in Melee and Brawl. I know it might sound unrealistic but it would be cool if the developers would allow Ice Climbers to keep it's chain grabbing for like three times before they get hit by cool down.
MrSaturn99
Member
the real top priority
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Remember Chris Prangers podcast?
Yeah, I understand why some people were unsure if Sakurai would come back for Smash for Switch but someone who had an experience with Sakurai, said that he really love the franchise so he would always come back to the franchise. I think it's very likely that he's going to work on Smash for Switch. At least, his workload is going to be very light, comparing to Smash 4's workload tho.
Also on other matters,
I still remember this quote, and it still make sense when I saw Cloud and Ryu being included in Smash Bros via DLC. It might be a contradiction against two characters only rumors unless they decided to pool the assists to focus on other subjects like stages, single player modes, etc instead of the characters. I think Sakurai always push himself harder to include many characters as he could with his power.
Also I wonder if we are going to get biggest surprise with any third party characters in Smash for Switch again.
Yeah, I understand why some people were unsure if Sakurai would come back for Smash for Switch but someone who had an experience with Sakurai, said that he really love the franchise so he would always come back to the franchise. I think it's very likely that he's going to work on Smash for Switch. At least, his workload is going to be very light, comparing to Smash 4's workload tho.
Also on other matters,
I still remember this quote, and it still make sense when I saw Cloud and Ryu being included in Smash Bros via DLC. It might be a contradiction against two characters only rumors unless they decided to pool the assists to focus on other subjects like stages, single player modes, etc instead of the characters. I think Sakurai always push himself harder to include many characters as he could with his power.
Also I wonder if we are going to get biggest surprise with any third party characters in Smash for Switch again.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I miss Wolf, but hey maybe the disillusionment would mean he's coming back as a snapback, like how people were sure of him returning and so he didn't return!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Reverse Psychology actually works.
Geminosity
Member
I'm hoping switch marks the final point in the logical progression for the girl next door living in the haunted mansion:
assist -> mii costume -> playable :3
I'd be happy for inkling to turn up as a character though. I don't know why but for some reason I keep finding myself doubting them getting in though, despite everyone seeming to feel a bit more confident they'll be included :/
assist -> mii costume -> playable :3
I'd be happy for inkling to turn up as a character though. I don't know why but for some reason I keep finding myself doubting them getting in though, despite everyone seeming to feel a bit more confident they'll be included :/
Professor Beef
Banned
You mean Mona? Yeah she'd be cool.
Geminosity
Member
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting she exists. Did they ever settle on an identity for her or is she still cycling through everything from pizza delivery to cheerleader?
Professor Beef
Banned
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting she exists. Did they ever settle on an identity for her or is she still cycling through everything from pizza delivery to cheerleader?
Don't be mad that she has a successful career as the owner of a pizza place!
I don't think so. She's a Reporter/Photographer in Game & Wario.Oh yeah, I keep forgetting she exists. Did they ever settle on an identity for her or is she still cycling through everything from pizza delivery to cheerleader?
Geminosity
Member
Oh wow, I only just realised that I've seen her Game and Wario form then. She looks like one of the many Rhythm Heaven girls with that new art style (e.g. the fishing girl or the baseball pitcher)
and for fun here's the Rhythm Heaven pitcher girl
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
you know, looking back...
Melee renders look ugly as fuck. Even the "gritty realism" Brawl had doesn't make it look outdated. Melee looked like everyone had vaseline slapped on them.
Also ugly Falco.
Melee renders look ugly as fuck. Even the "gritty realism" Brawl had doesn't make it look outdated. Melee looked like everyone had vaseline slapped on them.
Also ugly Falco.
WiiRevolution1
Member
My prediction is that Sakurai will consider this a full sequel and do a sequel's worth a new characters. Which is why I predicted anywhere bwteen 8-15.
Its more absurd to think they'll only be 5 or something. This is Sakurai. Come on now.
I have been proven wrong on many things but this is one of those things that are such common sense it hurts. Can't wait to be proven right.
papertoonz
Member
smash 4 was the first good looking smash game imo
balladofwindfishes
Member
64 was nice. Pretty much everyone in that game, bar maybe DK, looked basically 1:1 what they looked like in their N64 debuts. The stages were pretty charming as well, and aged really well.
Smash 4's style feels a lot like an evolution of 64's style of being bright and colorful. Smash games decided to up the edge for awhile there for some reason and you ended up with something like Melee Yoshi that's just kind of odd looking.
We often talk about the nicest looking designs in Smash, but what are some of the ugly ones?
Brawl Pikachu always looked really strange to me, because it came out well after FRLG remade Pikachu and doesn't even really look like the anime Pikachu at the time. It's just ugly. It's eyes are strangely spaced apart, it's still fat-chu (half a decade after fat-chu was retired)
Actually, other than Melee Mewtwo and 64, Pokemon in general in Smash were kind of odd looking before 4 made them basically 1:1 their official Pokemon art.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Oh god what's wrong with Yoshi
Melee hasn't aged the best, but it had a rather quick development cycle and at the time it was a pretty big leap on Smash 64.
Also in some ways it was the most imaginative since many of the characters didn't have established 3D models at the time, and even if they did, they were N64 models, so the development team almost had to come up with the look of every character themselves (with some exceptions like the borrowed Ganondorf model).
Also in some ways it was the most imaginative since many of the characters didn't have established 3D models at the time, and even if they did, they were N64 models, so the development team almost had to come up with the look of every character themselves (with some exceptions like the borrowed Ganondorf model).
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Isn't that only applicable to Ice Climbers, GoW, and Fire Emblem gang
balladofwindfishes
Member
Samus, Captain Falcon and Ness as well. They were in 64, but Melee still had to make new 3D models for them with no new 3D model as a base.
Pretty much the entire cast in Melee didn't have GCN era models to base them on, though.
It's applicable to almost everything, from stages to trophies.
Brawl and Smash 4 had a lot of assets they could borrow, Melee didn't have that option.
Seeing 2D games reimagined in 3D is something a little lost in the later versions.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I don't get the comparison? I mean you still build them from scratch in Brawl, and back at Melee they still have references regardless.
that n64 gamestop thread just affirms my gladness for not being into Rare
that n64 gamestop thread just affirms my gladness for not being into Rare
Professor Beef
Banned
Let's avatar bet, then.
At launch, if there are less than 8 new characters included (and I'll be generous and let veterans be included in "new"), then I win and you wear an avatar of my choosing for a month. If there are 8 or more new characters (same generosity) included at launch, then you win.
Deal?
Troubled Bat
Member
Avatar bets?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Wait? So, he don't really pick any choice of avatar for you to wear for a month if he win?
Professor Beef
Banned
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I wasn't sure if you are going to pull a shady avatar bet with him, and weasel your way out of it in the future.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I have a hard time believing all of Brawl's assets were made from scratch. Mr Game and Watch and Jigglypuff are near 1:1 with Melee. And that's not even scratching the surface for stages, where a good half of them are direct model rips from GCN and Wii games. There's even leftover assets from TP in the Bridge of Eldin map!
For the purposes of this list, I'm counting past Smash games as being in 3D. But these are the Melee new comers who had never been depicted in 3D before
Marth
Roy
Mr Game and Watch
Dr Mario
Ice Climbers
Newcomers in Smash 4 that had never been 3D before
Duck Hunt
That's one out of a larger pile of newcomers, since Smash 4 had more than Melee.
So with Melee, there wasn't really much of a 3D reference at all for a huge number of new comers. And of Melee's newcomers (and all of its characters except Mario and Luigi), none of them even had GCN models to base off of.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Ganon and Shiek are iirc
I mean, you can't just import models and tweak them!
I mean, you can't just import models and tweak them!
Geminosity
Member
I wasn't sure if you are going to pull a shady avatar bet with him, and weasel your way out of it in the future.
uh... she?
Professor Beef
Banned
Sorry, force of habit
TheDinoman
Member
Melee does have peculiar art design in some places.
One thing that stands out to me is the Banzai Bill on Peach's Castle. The back part of it is this really weird looking gear thing.
One thing that stands out to me is the Banzai Bill on Peach's Castle. The back part of it is this really weird looking gear thing.
MrSaturn99
Member
Off the top of my head, I never cared for the Star Fox character designs in Melee. Combined with the Engrish voice work (particularly gruff Falco, which ironically is Sakurai's favorite), they always felt very unfamiliar to me.
Venom also felt off. The crystal cave is gorgeous but there was a lot of emphasis on red/brown colors; meanwhile, SF64's Venom was brown too but there was also a lot of green/yellow colors.
However, pretty much the rest of its stage reiminagings were excellent; in particular, Green Greens/Fountain of Dreams/Brinstar/Temple/Rainbow Cruise and Onett are standouts, although I think it's time Onett had a visual upgrade. It's the one legacy stage in Smash 4 that's had barely any graphical touch-ups and much as I still love it, it really sticks out. Here's hoping we may see a facelift in the Switch version!
Venom also felt off. The crystal cave is gorgeous but there was a lot of emphasis on red/brown colors; meanwhile, SF64's Venom was brown too but there was also a lot of green/yellow colors.
However, pretty much the rest of its stage reiminagings were excellent; in particular, Green Greens/Fountain of Dreams/Brinstar/Temple/Rainbow Cruise and Onett are standouts, although I think it's time Onett had a visual upgrade. It's the one legacy stage in Smash 4 that's had barely any graphical touch-ups and much as I still love it, it really sticks out. Here's hoping we may see a facelift in the Switch version!
You know it's funny, I never actually stopped to think about it from this perspective. I always felt the exact opposite lol - in 64, Zero, and even Smash 4 Fox and Falco feel kind of off because in my head I tend to think of them as Melee characters as opposed to Star Fox characters as weird as that is. If you were to ask me to draw something "iconic of Star Fox" my first thought would be the shine.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Melee Fox >>> Sm4sh Fox
MISHUN COMPLETE >>>>>>> FIYUR
MISHUN COMPLETE >>>>>>> FIYUR
papertoonz
Member
anything is better that smash 4 fox voice
balladofwindfishes
Member
Ironic, considering it's Fox's original voice actor.
Given they know about the backlash on Fox's voice, and given the relative ease of getting Fox's actor back, maybe they'll re-record them and we won't be stuck with poor delivery being used several games in a row, like how we have to deal with awful Mario.
fredrancour
Member
i'd probably attempt to illustrate "do a barrel roll" somehow, though shine would be the second thing I thought of. I love 64, and loved assault and sfa at the time, but melee has surpassed all the actual star fox series in my brain save that one meme as far as defining the characters.
Troubled Bat
Member
Brawl Falco/Fox will always be best.
On a random note: I wish they made Falco a bit taller.
On a random note: I wish they made Falco a bit taller.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I'm a little surprised Falco's managed to keep his gimmick of being the highest jumper for this long.
You'd think someone else would come along or someone like Luigi would get a buff. Like how Falcon lost his "fastest character in the game" gimmick when Sonic was added (obviously nobody in the game will be faster than Sonic that would be nonsense).
You'd think someone else would come along or someone like Luigi would get a buff. Like how Falcon lost his "fastest character in the game" gimmick when Sonic was added (obviously nobody in the game will be faster than Sonic that would be nonsense).
Professor Beef
Banned
Luigi has never been known for having the highest jumps, just that he has a high/floaty jump.
MrSaturn99
Member
LOL, interesting perspective. Kinda reminds me of what Sakurai says about Roy.
I secretly hope for this.
Green Mamba
Member
It's all Falco's got at this point considering they seem adamant about removing everything good about him. Hopefully he's at his "Brawl Mario" level right now and they realize he's been shorted pretty bad this time around.
balladofwindfishes
Member
JB-the-Hunter
Member
Brawl/Assualt had the best voicing for every Star Fox character.
MrSaturn99
Member
As far as the English voices go in regards to Smash, they're easily the best it has to offer, although that's not a terribly high bar. It's mostly "just fine" as opposed to Melee's mixed bag and 4's trainwreck.