chaosblade
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KBI really is a better term/acronym.
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KBI really is a better term/acronym.
What would you propose they call them?
What would you call it then? There's actually a lot of debate about the name going on right now.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
And it'd be semi-perfect.
I'd say perfect, but it's only perfect if it has Wolf in it!
What does KBI stand for again?
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Knockback Influence
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
That can be said for any industry. Those who look deeper into the game will always come up with terms that those who do not may be intimidated by. This phenomena is seen throughout every industry and every hobby in the world.
Vibe you say.....
You're right, that makes a lot more sense.
OmegaSmash
Member
Things are getting a Bit heated regarding this topic, so I'm just going to agree with this. All defensive options are already strong, and this just makes defense even stronger while leaving offense without any real advantage other than combos.
Beelzebufo
Banned
You have to call them something, right? Calling it something simple like wavedashing is easier for new people to understand than just speaking all technical.
OricWindstar
Member
Haha, after I posted that, I thought you might respond to it.
DarkChronic
Member
Couldn't agree with this post more. Picked up one of those myself. It's fantastic, but it makes the L/R buttons tough to reach.
What's hitstun shuffle?
Gimping and YOLO edgeguarding have been buffed in favor of offense.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
This sounds much better. I don't know why people are trying to come up with a new term for a technique that already existed in previous games. The only difference is that there are more directions to choose from, and it has more influence than before.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Foxy Fox 39
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Im not trying to call anyone out but in my opinion and experience, it is those who complain about the competitive community voicing concerns that are the more hostile group. Rarely, if ever do you see a competitive player complain about or insult a casual player voicing concerns or general happiness with the game.
They should call wavedashing "that thing where you dodge towards the ground when you're close to it and slide."
How have they been buffed, exactly?
Furthermore, I think having silly names like wavedashing or glide tossing helps make it attractive to newer players. It gives these kind of techniques this buildup, and let's peoples imaginations get a little more fired up than they should. Which is a good thing.
I always find it hilarious that the same people who complain about characters taking too long to die/blast zones being too large making the game boring to watch are the same people who "ban" the use of items that kill at low percentages and only play on boring "safe" levels.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Actually it didn't exist in previous games. Vectoring/KBI basically replaces DI from Melee/Brawl and works differently, so naturally people don't want to use the same term for it since the existing definition of DI is still relevant for Melee/PM(/Brawl).
That said, KBI is a good term precisely because it's simple and it implies a relation to DI.
OricWindstar
Member
And I just ended up buying the Cyber Grip for 3DS. I can tell I'm going to need it for launch weekend alone.
Test Information​
Attack: Mario's (fresh) Usmash, fully charged
Hitting: Link
Stage: Final Destination form Battlefield
Testing: Affect of Vector Influence on Survival
Mario's Percent: 0%
Results​
No Vector Influence: Link dies at exactly 83%
Upward VI: Link dies at exactly 70%
Downward VI: Link dies at exactly 122%
holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Attack: Mario's (fresh) Usmash, fully charged
Hitting: Link
Stage: Final Destination form Battlefield
Testing: Affect of Vector Influence on Survival
Mario's Percent: 0%
Results​
No Vector Influence: Link dies at exactly 83%
Upward VI: Link dies at exactly 70%
Downward VI: Link dies at exactly 122%
holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Not worrying about having a ledge stolen if they recover at the same time you do for one.
Nearly everyone has great recoveries...tho there's sitill the issue of multi airdodges.
I was just about to post something similar. Strong Bad's initial tests and many of the tests thereafter likely won't have taken this into account. Rage may (and a huge emphasis on may) help alleviate concerns somewhat about VI's effect on the game as some of those tested kill percentages are likely with the character initiating the KO at low percent.
Rage and VI combined with the usual learning curve on each character, longer stocks, and improved hitstun from Brawl are making Smash 4 appear to be a very dynamic game which excites me.
The game gets much less interesting for the majority of competitive players when the game becomes less about fighting your opponent and more about fighting the stage and item drops that aren't affected by player skill in any way.
Lord Phol
Member
I need to clear this out.
Smash has ALWAYS been more of a party game than a hardcore fighter in design. Hell, just ask the actual game designer and creator. The problem alot (not all) of the competitive natured people seem to have is that because they managed to make a somewhat successful hardcore fighting game by altering alot of rules in meele, they also feel that this is the way the game should be designed, but it's not.
Now I've always been on the side that thinks there should be a balance between fun and deeper mechanics. The more people that enjoy the game the better, but I'm getting sick and tired of people expecting the game to cater to their specific needs. There's just no flexibility from these people.
Yes it would be ideal if both casual nintendo loving people and hardcore competitive players could enjoy the game, but that has never been the overall focus of the series. The focus has always been fan service first. There really is no arguing this because the evidence is clear as day, else we wouldn't even have the "Sakurai hates us" comments. Sakurai might not be the best fighting game designer. He tried to offer the competitive community of smash something more with smash 4 (for glory, faster than brawl, hiring namco etc), but even that doesn't seem to be enough.
Before you go and label me casual or a Sakurai lover do know that I've got my own problems with some of his choices. Tripping in brawl was stupid, not having customized moves in random online is dumb, no online smash-run, boss levels, clones. The list goes on. Yeah there's alot of decisions with this game that I would have made different, but I can still try to enjoy the game for what it is, instead of not enjoying it for what it isn't.
I'm sorry if you feel offended, but i had to get this off my chest. If you can't enjoy smash 4 that's sad, but life goes on, there's more games out there and plenty of fighters that are designed for your needs and wants.
TLDR: If the game isn't designed for you in mind, don't get upset over not enjoying it.
Smash has ALWAYS been more of a party game than a hardcore fighter in design. Hell, just ask the actual game designer and creator. The problem alot (not all) of the competitive natured people seem to have is that because they managed to make a somewhat successful hardcore fighting game by altering alot of rules in meele, they also feel that this is the way the game should be designed, but it's not.
Now I've always been on the side that thinks there should be a balance between fun and deeper mechanics. The more people that enjoy the game the better, but I'm getting sick and tired of people expecting the game to cater to their specific needs. There's just no flexibility from these people.
Yes it would be ideal if both casual nintendo loving people and hardcore competitive players could enjoy the game, but that has never been the overall focus of the series. The focus has always been fan service first. There really is no arguing this because the evidence is clear as day, else we wouldn't even have the "Sakurai hates us" comments. Sakurai might not be the best fighting game designer. He tried to offer the competitive community of smash something more with smash 4 (for glory, faster than brawl, hiring namco etc), but even that doesn't seem to be enough.
Before you go and label me casual or a Sakurai lover do know that I've got my own problems with some of his choices. Tripping in brawl was stupid, not having customized moves in random online is dumb, no online smash-run, boss levels, clones. The list goes on. Yeah there's alot of decisions with this game that I would have made different, but I can still try to enjoy the game for what it is, instead of not enjoying it for what it isn't.
I'm sorry if you feel offended, but i had to get this off my chest. If you can't enjoy smash 4 that's sad, but life goes on, there's more games out there and plenty of fighters that are designed for your needs and wants.
TLDR: If the game isn't designed for you in mind, don't get upset over not enjoying it.
PadWarrior
Member
Nice I'm still undecided
I've out in over 18 hours of play time one the demo. Seems kind of low
The new edge mechanic is the key-it is MUCH safer for characters like Falcon and Zelda to follow up a big hit on their opponent with a balls-to-the-walls offstage follow-up. The new ledge ensures that they can recover with proper planning.
Ok that's pretty major...
Now just to test it with rage at 10/20/30/40/etc. percentages. Wonder how that will affect it.
Perfectly put!
Now to see the same thing done with mario at 100-150%
theprodigy
Member
should do uncharged up smashes at 50%/100%/150% or so
GustyGardens
Banned
Why not just call it Hitstun Shuffling? That's what the game calls it.
The Great Gonzales
Member
I must say, two minutes really is too short given how long people survive in this game. It's a chore to get more than one KO in that time.
This actually perfectly illustrates my above post. Mario's Percent is 0. Now if we could get tests at say, 30% and 50%, then beyond, we could also see how Rage will have an effect on KO percents.
It's pretty significant, but we do need to account for the gravity multiplier in these vertical situations. It seems like there is a bit of a snowball effect, since the longer a character survives, the higher the effect due to gravity.
MrSaturn99
Member
I'll never forget back when Brawl released some guy was convinced that Sakurai intentionally delayed the game before E 4 All so he could cull all of the competitive ATs found in the demo so he could remove them before launch.
Little did I know Sakurai conspiracies would be a common recurrence, lol
Hitstun shuffling is different. That's when you slightly change your location on screen during the freeze frame of an enemy's strong hit by smashing in that direction.
SoldnerKei
Member
whoops wrong game
but seriously, dunno why people need to make this casual vs competitive aspect of the game, but I guess we need to discuss something
and just my thought regarding the VI/KBI, I think it was worst in brawl, I mean you could easily survive to 200% in certain stages with proper DI, also, you can cancel your hit animation by inputing any aerial, the one that comes out faster the better, afaik that is not possible in Smash 4, so we just have traditional DI, and then again, I think the new legde mechanic make it safe to go out and chase your opponent in mid-air
dunno, stuff like that
OricWindstar
Member
This thread right now.
Actually, it's referring to the fact that knock back becomes stronger the more damage you characters has. Think of it as everyone having a minor version of Lucario's aura effect.
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